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Aug 28, 2018 06:04:00   #
Wilhan
 
Somebody once told me that rules are for the guidance of wise men and the obedience of fools.

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Aug 28, 2018 06:16:32   #
Apaflo Loc: Anchorage, Alaska
 
John N wrote:
4)... The most important rule is knowing 'When to break the Rules'.

Every time you compose a picture that has to happen.

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Aug 28, 2018 06:35:41   #
PeterBergh
 
rpavich wrote:
Sure there are rules. All visual art has rules, and they are well known. I don't know why it's only amateur photographers who say that there aren't rules. ...


There are at least two counterexamples to the third statement: Edward Weston ("Consulting rules of composition when photographing is like consulting the law of gravity when taking a walk." {This may not be an exact quote, but it gives the gist of his statement.}) and Bruce Barnbaum (he says so several times in the Art of Photography). I am sure there are many more respected professional photographers who say that there are no rules for composition. If memory serves, Ansel Adams does not refer to rules of composition in any of his books; I interpret that to mean that he also didn't believe that there are rules of composition.

At most, the alleged rules of composition are guidelines.

Furthermore, I believe the first two statements in rpavich's post are beautiful examples of male-bovine excrement.

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Aug 28, 2018 06:39:44   #
bobkat0178a
 
Good insight. Thank you.

Bobkat

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Aug 28, 2018 06:50:09   #
rpavich Loc: West Virginia
 
Apaflo wrote:
Nothing he says supports the use of any Rules Of Thumb type guidelines when composing. See what he says between about 9:40 and 10:05, where he allows there are such rules for learning, but in practice you break them or not as you wish. They are just tools to learn from, not to take pictures with.

The only value is to just be aware of them. That is because they are learning devices and are not meant to be followed dogmatically when taking pictures.

He is not reciting Rules, he is showing examples of many different, and often contradictory, possible styles of composition.

It might be noted that he clearly is well versed in Gestalt Theory, given his many times use of "figure ground". He is probably very familiar with Rudolf Arnheim's works starting with the classic textbook "Art and Visual Perception: A Psychology of the Creative Eye".

Do a Google search on the words "figure ground gestalt arnheim".
Nothing he says supports the use of any Rules Of T... (show quote)


We must have been watching a different video.

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Aug 28, 2018 06:56:20   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
Call them what you will, every art has rules you should consider if you want to produce a good result. It's a matter of discipline versus "do whatever you want;" being an adult versus being a child.

https://www.artistsnetwork.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/wc-Willenbrink-Rules2.pdf
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gaM_FyznXTI
https://www.rockettes.com/blog/etiquette-101-12-dance-class-rules-you-should-follow/
https://www.instructables.com/id/Beginners-Guide-To-Playing-Piano-Intro/

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Aug 28, 2018 07:01:04   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
rpavich wrote:
Sure there are rules. All visual art has rules, and they are well known. I don't know why it's only amateur photographers who say that there aren't rules.


They exist for a reason, they are effective.


If you've never seen this talk by Adam Marelli addressing this very subject...it's pretty good.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zwk3YFknyNA&t=150s&frags=pl%2Cwn




Very good video.

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Aug 28, 2018 07:05:30   #
srt101fan
 
rmalarz wrote:
They are not rules. They are merely guidelines.
--Bob



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Aug 28, 2018 07:10:31   #
Apaflo Loc: Anchorage, Alaska
 
rpavich wrote:
We must have been watching a different video.

I paid close attention to what was said. Not what I wanted to hear.

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Aug 28, 2018 07:29:01   #
billnikon Loc: Pennsylvania/Ohio/Florida/Maui/Oregon/Vermont
 
Chaostrain wrote:
I've spent a lot of time studying the "rules" of photography from many different experts. I studied the rule of thirds, the rule of lighting, the rule of shake your left leg three times, spin right twice, jump once, and howl at a full moon on a Tuesday. I studied the rules for macro photography which happens to look like the rules for landscapes and nightscapes and portraits and photography in general. Oh, let's not forget the final all the experts tell you at the very end, that's break all the rules.

I've come to the to the following conclusion; there are no rules, zero, zip, nada, the big goose egg! The real title should be Here's a list of things to mess with to help you learn your camera until you figure out what you want to do.

Photography is an art! The photographer is an artist! It's totally up to the artist to decide what to do and how far to take their art. Anything anybody says is merely a suggestion of what that person would like to see.

Yes, I'll still look at what others are doing and saying. I've come across many suggestions to try or at least spark a part of my imagination. Sometimes one leads to the another.

Whether you shoot for a base for a picture maker or for straight out of the camera or to simply record a moment in time to prompt your memory later or whatever else, own it like a boss, cause it's all good.

So on that note. I'm going back to playing with my camera and look forward to seeing what others create. As for the rules? What rules? I don't know no stinkin rules.
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Rules can certainly be broken. That's one of the main reasons we have police and courts. But, in photography, the rules in composition aid in creating an interesting photo. If you look at the great works of art you will see that artists paid attention to these rules of composition. The rules are an aid in creating an interesting photo. In photojournalism your goal is to get the viewer emotionally involved in the image. Yes, rules are rules and not all outstanding images contain all the rules and some don't have any, but their is something about them that draws us in. And the more you pay attention to the rules the better chance you have of creating a good to great image.

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Aug 28, 2018 07:35:31   #
foxfirerodandgun Loc: Stony Creek, VA
 
Rules are made to be broken! That's my story and I'm stikin' to it. ;~)

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Aug 28, 2018 07:44:17   #
ole sarg Loc: south florida
 
So what you are saying is that the rule is that there are no rules!

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Aug 28, 2018 07:45:44   #
camerapapi Loc: Miami, Fl.
 
I am entirely in agreement with Bob that indeed we have guidelines not rules.

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Aug 28, 2018 07:47:37   #
Apaflo Loc: Anchorage, Alaska
 
ole sarg wrote:
So what you are saying is that the rule is that there are no rules!

"There are no rules for good photographs, there are only good photographs." Ansel Adams

And in that respect rules and guidelines are the same.

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Aug 28, 2018 07:51:04   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
Apaflo wrote:
Every time you compose a picture that has to happen.



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