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Aug 27, 2018 13:42:49   #
rpavich Loc: West Virginia
 
gwilliams6 wrote:
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It has nothing to do with any insecurities, but has to do with providing the best , most complete and excellent photos to the couple who has hired us to capture these once in a lifetime moments.. Put your camera and cellphones away, enjoy the wedding and let the hired pros do their jobs. You can get copies later of our excellent and unobstructed work. Cheers


THE answer.

Thread over.

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Aug 27, 2018 13:45:27   #
BebuLamar
 
You should do what the bride and groom asked you. They could ask you to leave.

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Aug 27, 2018 13:48:09   #
DWU2 Loc: Phoenix Arizona area
 
pithydoug wrote:
Never seen this before. Sounds like they lack confidence and concerned that others will take better shots and minimize what the buy. It's also a single point pf failure. If the only photographer screws up, the family gets nothing. I can see limiting flash as this can be distracting or to avoiding the same space as the paid person, but to say no one is chicken shit!


I agree. If that photographer was any good, it would be obvious in the quality of their photos.

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Aug 27, 2018 13:55:20   #
BebuLamar
 
pithydoug wrote:
Never seen this before. Sounds like they lack confidence and concerned that others will take better shots and minimize what the buy. It's also a single point pf failure. If the only photographer screws up, the family gets nothing. I can see limiting flash as this can be distracting or to avoiding the same space as the paid person, but to say no one is chicken shit!


I tend to agree with you but since they had the bride and groom agreed to it. It's the bride and groom decision to make and they did so the OP was right to stop.

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Aug 27, 2018 14:19:19   #
robertjerl Loc: Corona, California
 
gwilliams6 wrote:
As a wedding shooter for most of my 44 years as a pro, I understand why the photographer had that statement put into the program. I cant tell you how many times a family member or zealous guest has stood up and/or blocked me from making that shot of a critical wedding or reception moment, from the first kiss, to walking down the aisle, to that first dance, and cutting the cake. As the official photographers we are getting paid to cover an event, and our clients, the bride and groom expect us as pros to make those shots and more. We can't come back to them later and say, oh sorry I dont have that moment (that will never happen again) because Aunt Ruth or Uncle Charley thought it would be neat to stand up in front of the photographer, or lean into the aisle with their cellphone, blocking the photographer.

I often shoot with a second shooter and also offer video, either by myself or with a dedicated video shooter. We take great pains to coordinate our coverage so everyone of our shooters can have a clear angle for coverage. We can not factor in anyone else who may wish to intrude as a shooter. I also put this statement out or make an announcement to the wedding guests. I also ask if there is anyone that would prefer NOT being in photos, so my crew can avoid taking their photo, that does occur at weddings.

It has nothing to do with any insecurities, but has to do with providing the best , most complete and excellent photos to the couple who has hired us to capture these once in a lifetime moments.. Put your camera and cellphones away, enjoy the wedding and let the hired pros do their jobs. You can get copies later of our excellent and unobstructed work. Cheers
As a wedding shooter for most of my 44 years as a ... (show quote)


Sounds like a long winded way of saying I don't want to have to put up with someone else taking photos (or competing with me?).
As to the people blocking shots - people do that any way - change it to say no one allowed to interfere until the pros are done at each stage. And no standing, walking out in front of the photographer etc.
I was asked to be one of the photographers (3, all personal friends who were skilled hobby photographers, well one sometimes worked as second shooter for a wedding photographer) at a friend's wedding (in her backyard/garden-the same location my wife and I were married). One Aunt and one cousin kept walking in the way, jumping out etc with a cell phone and a bridge camera blocking off everyone's view to the point that other family members had to talk to them about it. After it happened the first time the couple started to prolong and pose at each stage of the wedding and reception/dinner that followed. My daughter and I (she was one of the three photographers) coordinated, she worked from the left and I worked from the right with both of us going to the middle as needed. The other guy roamed around and used a long lens - same as when he worked as a second shooter. Then for the posed shots with family etc during the dinner & dance we took turns taking the posed pictures, roaming around for candid shots or just plain taking a break to eat etc. At one point I loaned my second camera and lens to a relative who was also a high skill hobby photographer and for a while we had 4 shooters working the dinner and dance.
Then as some one mentioned - Mr Murphy often attends weddings and if he causes the pro's camera to malfunction, memory card to die etc etc then the customer ends up with few or no images.

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Aug 27, 2018 14:27:08   #
rgrenaderphoto Loc: Hollywood, CA
 
rpavich wrote:
How good or bad they were makes zero difference. The bride requested that nobody take pictures. End of story...done deal. Regardless of your intentions or what you "want," you aren't involved in making the rules.


When did basic respect for wishes get usurped by self gratification of ones one desires?


The voice of maturity.

Thank you.

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Aug 27, 2018 14:34:47   #
rwww80a Loc: Hampton, NH
 
I did! Stopped pushing the button and put the camera away.

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Aug 27, 2018 14:49:37   #
gwilliams6
 
robertjerl wrote:
Sounds like a long winded way of saying I don't want to have to put up with someone else taking photos (or competing with me?).
As to the people blocking shots - people do that any way - change it to say no one allowed to interfere until the pros are done at each stage. And no standing, walking out in front of the photographer etc.
I was asked to be one of the photographers (3, all personal friends who were skilled hobby photographers, well one sometimes worked as second shooter for a wedding photographer) at a friend's wedding (in her backyard/garden-the same location my wife and I were married). One Aunt and one cousin kept walking in the way, jumping out etc with a cell phone and a bridge camera blocking off everyone's view to the point that other family members had to talk to them about it. After it happened the first time the couple started to prolong and pose at each stage of the wedding and reception/dinner that followed. My daughter and I (she was one of the three photographers) coordinated, she worked from the left and I worked from the right with both of us going to the middle as needed. The other guy roamed around and used a long lens - same as when he worked as a second shooter. Then for the posed shots with family etc during the dinner & dance we took turns taking the posed pictures, roaming around for candid shots or just plain taking a break to eat etc. At one point I loaned my second camera and lens to a relative who was also a high skill hobby photographer and for a while we had 4 shooters working the dinner and dance.
Then as some one mentioned - Mr Murphy often attends weddings and if he causes the pro's camera to malfunction, memory card to die etc etc then the customer ends up with few or no images.
Sounds like a long winded way of saying I don't wa... (show quote)


It has nothing to do with competing at all. My wedding shooters and I always attend the wedding rehearsals, talk with all the participants and the officiate, and coordinate where we are allowed to set up and shoot from, and see when the specific moments will occur during the ceremony etc. that MUST not be missed. Also we go through timing for all the parts of the wedding, when we can possibly take the bride and groom away for additional private shootings ,sometimes at another nearby, more photogenic location. All the while trying to keep to the bride and groom's planned schedule for the pre-wedding preparations, the actual ceremony, any cocktail hour, then the reception which may be in a completely different location.

The Bride and groom, or their families ,are paying for these venues and they only have them for a certain limited and set time. So as the hired official photographers we have to work fast ,professionally , and efficiently, and manage our time available to shoot. Getting slowed down because everyone else of dozens of guests wants the same photo can totally mess up the time line. Reception halls, caterers, bands and more work to a strict, paid time schedule and the last thing anyone wants is for the hired photographers, or any other photographers to hold up everything and possibly cost the couple and their families more money. Most good wedding venues, reception halls and even churches schedule more than one wedding party in the same location on the same day (but a different time of the day). We have to work to a tight time schedule set by the bride and groom, and they expect us to make their day memorable, but not to disrupt the flow and all the good and fun vibes.

Hey I make a point to get along with all the family and wedding guests ,and to be as polite and friendly and helpful as I can be at all times. I want to capture all the happy smiling faces, the tears and hugs and kisses and funny and heartwarming moments, expected and unexpected. I do often offer advice to a guest shooter that has a technical question, even while in the middle of performing my duties, if at all possible. I just ask other invited guests and family to respect the bride and groom's wishes , and respect the photographers they have spent good money for, that have all the responsibility and pressure on them to get it all captured right, and create wonderful ,timeless images from all those once-in-lifetime moments. Cheers
One of my wedding websites:
https://www.wedding.com/wedding-vendors/nj/clayton/photographer/williams-photography/389416

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Aug 27, 2018 14:50:40   #
genocolo Loc: Vail and Gasparilla Island
 
You were much nicer than I would have been.

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Aug 27, 2018 15:07:20   #
robertjerl Loc: Corona, California
 
robertjerl wrote:
Sounds like a long winded way of saying I don't want to have to put up with someone else taking photos (or competing with me?).
As to the people blocking shots - people do that any way - change it to say no one allowed to interfere until the pros are done at each stage. And no standing, walking out in front of the photographer etc.
I was asked to be one of the photographers (3, all personal friends who were skilled hobby photographers, well one sometimes worked as second shooter for a wedding photographer) at a friend's wedding (in her backyard/garden-the same location my wife and I were married). One Aunt and one cousin kept walking in the way, jumping out etc with a cell phone and a bridge camera blocking off everyone's view to the point that other family members had to talk to them about it. After it happened the first time the couple started to prolong and pose at each stage of the wedding and reception/dinner that followed. My daughter and I (she was one of the three photographers) coordinated, she worked from the left and I worked from the right with both of us going to the middle as needed. The other guy roamed around and used a long lens - same as when he worked as a second shooter. Then for the posed shots with family etc during the dinner & dance we took turns taking the posed pictures, roaming around for candid shots or just plain taking a break to eat etc. At one point I loaned my second camera and lens to a relative who was also a high skill hobby photographer and for a while we had 4 shooters working the dinner and dance.
Then as some one mentioned - Mr Murphy often attends weddings and if he causes the pro's camera to malfunction, memory card to die etc etc then the customer ends up with few or no images.
Sounds like a long winded way of saying I don't wa... (show quote)


Forgot two things:
1. Three digital video cameras on tall tripods Left, Center, Right set up behind the seated guests to shoot over their heads and just left running.
2. The groom, also a hobby photographer-travel mostly-has a cousin who works as a video/photo editor for a movie company (in fact he didn't attend because he was off somewhere working on a movie/TV show) and everyone at the wedding was requested to just give them a copy of all their images, good or bad (they got about 5000 from aprx 50 people) and the editor then culled, edited etc and put together a combined video and digital slide show of the wedding as his wedding gift. The couple then had prints made of their favorite shots and copies of the digital show made for a few family members who could not attend. The couple are Persian and have relatives in Iran and elsewhere, people flew in from three continents for the wedding but many (esp those in Iran) could not attend.

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Aug 27, 2018 15:18:16   #
gwilliams6
 
robertjerl wrote:
Forgot two things:
1. Three digital video cameras on tall tripods Left, Center, Right set up behind the seated guests to shoot over their heads and just left running.
2. The groom, also a hobby photographer-travel mostly-has a cousin who works as a video/photo editor for a movie company (in fact he didn't attend because he was off somewhere working on a movie/TV show) and everyone at the wedding was requested to just give them a copy of all their images, good or bad (they got about 5000 from aprx 50 people) and the editor then culled, edited etc and put together a combined video and digital slide show of the wedding as his wedding gift. The couple then had prints made of their favorite shots and copies of the digital show made for a few family members who could not attend. The couple are Persian and have relatives in Iran and elsewhere, people flew in from three continents for the wedding but many (esp those in Iran) could not attend.
Forgot two things: br 1. Three digital video came... (show quote)


Whatever you work out with bride ,groom and guests if fine. I had a fellow photographer who was getting married, and he asked all his photographer friends to come and each bring their camera and everyone took photos as their wedding presents, and the photographer and his bride got pro shots from a dozen shooters. I was one of those friends. But we all knew how to stay out of each others shots. Though we did do a funny group shot with all of us and all of our cameras. There is never just one way to do this, but just respect the bride and groom's wishes and go from there. Cheers

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Aug 27, 2018 15:25:48   #
TBerwick Loc: Houston, Texas
 
I took slave flash units to only 1 wedding and never again. The "guests" would snap something just as I got it set up and then we'd have to wait for the recycle. Next wedding, no slave units, I didn't care what anyone else did. I told the bride & groom I'd set up the shots we had agreed upon and I had enough film allotted to shoot the wedding with a very few spare frames. If those got used up, then they'd be out of luck when it came to the departing shots. That usually got the word passed around pretty quickly even though I always took enough 120 or 220 to shoot 2 full weddings, they didn't need to know that.

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Aug 27, 2018 15:49:52   #
BHC Loc: Strawberry Valley, JF, USA
 
rwww80a wrote:
I have been taking pictures for 50 years (started with a Nikkormat FTn) with candids at the many weddings I have attended through the years.

This was a first!

In the ceremony program there was a statement (printed in the middle of the first page of the program) about the "excellent" photographers the couple had hired and not to take cell phone pix and post during the ceremony. I had my Nikon 7200 and took some pix and went to the reception took a few more. The sister of the bride came up to me and said cease and desist, I tried to tell her that what I was doing was to make an album of candids for a gift for the happy couple which I have done many other times. I stopped, didn't want to make the bride unhappy. I even had the grandparents come up to me as ask me to shoot some portraits of them - which I declined to do at that point because I wasn't the "official" photog. It made me feel bad for them later because I never saw the official wedding photogs over on the side of the room where they were sitting away from the noise.
Later the mother of the groom came up to me and explained that the picture statement in the program was done at the photographers insistence because the photographers didn't want their time and photos "devalued" by amateurs at the wedding. THEY are the picture takers and no one else can shoot the wedding? First I've heard of that! I had even been trying to stay out of the pros way so I wouldn't get in their way or ruin their shots! By the way, on the next day there must have been at least 10 postings on Facebook of cell phone vids and photos from the wedding and reception.

Are the pros really that paranoid and insecure about their work AND that amateurs could possibly make their work look bad or not as good? The photogs didn't even have the b...s to ask me themselves?

Yes in the past I have had several couples or families say that the album I put together as a gift was better than the pro BUT I think that because they were family.

Any other experiences or opinions???
I have been taking pictures for 50 years (started ... (show quote)

"not to take cell phone pix and post during the ceremony"

Am I missing an important detail here?

In any case, I would have checked with the photographer first.

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Aug 27, 2018 16:03:36   #
JohnSwanda Loc: San Francisco
 
BHC wrote:
"not to take cell phone pix and post during the ceremony"

Am I missing an important detail here?

In any case, I would have checked with the photographer first.


The policy apparently wasn't for the ceremony only. The OP was asked to stop taking photos at the reception.

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Aug 27, 2018 16:10:01   #
BebuLamar
 
BHC wrote:
"not to take cell phone pix and post during the ceremony"

Am I missing an important detail here?

In any case, I would have checked with the photographer first.


I wouldn't check with the photographer. The bride and groom told the OP to stop taking pictures and I like the OP would respect the bride and groom. I wouldn't care about the photographer.

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