markngolf Loc: Bridgewater, NJ

Thanks for the comment.
Mark

markngolf Loc: Bridgewater, NJ

Thanks, Ron! I did.
Mark

mikedent Loc: Florida

Sorry about your photo problems Mark! I've done it too, in England with OM2 35mm,, did not see that rewind knob was not moving- had to fix it and run around trying to re-take the shots in very short time. It's always something! OTOH, how was Budapest? We will be there in Dec for Christmas markets, any suggestions on things to see? I heard the Chain Bridge is closed for repairs, is that true? Makes it harder to get to the "Buda" side from Pest.... thanks- Mike

LA Loc: Little Rock, AR

Andy, I take second place to no one regarding sympathy for Mark, but he's had a gracious plenty of that, and I think there are other, photographic issues at work here.

But contrary to your posting, NO ONE has supported (before your post...I haven't checked them all after that) that the default setting for the RX-10 iv is to give no notice that the card is missing. In fact, the only post on this point said just the opposite:

"tomad (a regular here) (online) Joined: Jul 6, 2017 Posts: 467 Loc: North Carolina
"My RX10 IV came with default settings that don't allow you to release the shutter when no memory card is inserted and a warning flashes on the screen."

I cannot be sure that I did not change the default when I got the camera, but I did check to be sure what happens if "Release w/o card" is set to "Enable" and found that "NO CARD" flashes on screen and in viewfinder even with this setting. If you select "Disable," aside from the NO CARD notification, the camera will not let you take a photo at all but instead gives a big warning that fills the screen. Just to be clear, you get a flashing NO CARD no matter what the setting is.

So the photographic tip to take away from Mark's experience is to select "Disable" as the safest thing, but if not, to at least look at the screen or viewfinder now and then.

Of course, the takeaway for a number of Hogs is not to buy Sony, which we see is based on bias, not evidence. Another reason for settling this issue rather than merely more sympathy for Mark.

Acountry330 Loc: Dothan,Ala USA

One question. When you discovered the missing card. What did you do with the card? Happy shooting.

markngolf Loc: Bridgewater, NJ

The card had inadvertently been left in the SD slot in my laptop. I did not discover that until after returning from the day’s tour. I did have two other cards with me. (All 64 GB SD SANDISKPRO)
Mark.

markngolf Loc: Bridgewater, NJ

LA & Others,

This is a quote from Alexander's White's book, "Photographer's Guide to the Sony DSC - RX10 IV". I own both the Kindle and hard copies.
"Release without Card - this option can be set to either Enable or Disable. If it is set to Enable, you can operate the camera’s shutter release button even if there is no memory card inserted in the camera. In that case, the camera will display a NO CARD warning message, but it will let you operate the shutter and an image will be saved temporarily. This setting is useful if the camera is on display in a retail store, so customers can operate the controls and see how a saved image would look, without having to have an expensive memory card left in the camera. As I noted in Chapter 1, there is no easy way to save an image taken when this setting is active, although in an emergency you may be able to send the image through the HDMI port to a video capture device. If you select Disable for this item, the NO CARD warning is still displayed. In addition, if you try to press the shutter button, the camera will display a warning message advising that the shutter cannot be operated with no memory card inserted, as shown in figure 5-9. This setting is the safest one to use, because it protects you against operating the camera when there is no card inserted to save images or videos".

So, as I have previously stated, I must take full responsibility for my blunders. Sony is innocent. Apparently, I did receive a warning, but I did not see it. I was TOO anxious to capture the scenes. I had limited experience with the camera prior to the river cruise - purchased in early July for the cruise in early August. I mainly used my two DSLR's prior to the cruise.
Mark


White, Alexander. Photographer's Guide to the Sony DSC-RX10 IV: Getting the Most from Sony's Advanced Digital Camera (Kindle Locations 3874-3883). White Knight Press. Kindle Edition.

AndyH Loc: Massachusetts and New Hampshire

Okay, I see your point. As I said, IF Sony or any other maker sets the factory default at enabling shooting with the card slot empty, I think that's a bad choice. I don't have personal knowledge on this, so I have to take the word of others. If you're telling me that the factory default for all Sonys is no shooting with card slot empty, I'm glad to hear it.

Mark has taken full responsibility for his gaffe, but I can honestly imagine doing a factory default reset on a camera to correct some goof up and not remembering to disable shooting. Sent a shiver up my spine to think of it.

Again, I have no love or hate for Sony, but I think ALL manufacturers should use the "I might be a dummy" default for this setting.

Andy

AndyH Loc: Massachusetts and New Hampshire

But did you immediately close the door on the SD slot when you discovered the card was missing? Sometimes that will keep a few pixels in there, which may be salvageable....

Andy

markngolf Loc: Bridgewater, NJ

I totally agree with your comments, Andy.
Thanks for your replies. I always find your comments sensitive, intelligent and well written!
Ciao,
Mark

AndyH Loc: Massachusetts and New Hampshire

Thank you.

But you DID remember to close that door quickly and might still have a few pixels to work with?

The earlier comment made me literally laugh out loud. Who hasn't done that with a film camera!

Andy

coachejp

First date with my wife,we spent all day taking pics,downloaded to LR
Few days past,pictures were GONE! Never to be seen again.