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Aug 20, 2018 08:17:46   #
elliott937 Loc: St. Louis
 
Kodak just announced that it will make Ektachrome (Ektachrome E100) available for testing in the American market. Personally, I'll still stay with digital. But a great friend of mine teaches photography, to include film photography.

And while we are talking about technology, about a quarter of my college physics students currently own and listen to LP records. Because of that, I've been asked to spend a little class time explaining the functions and difference in tone-arm cartridges. Considering the age range of the UHH membership, I suspect many will recognize the differences in "moving magnet" and "moving coil" cartridges. Because there is some really cool physics going on there, I now do spend about 30 minutes of class time explaining the function and differences. I'll even include the technology of the RIAA curve. Does all this sound familiar? This is another example of how ""old technology"" doesn't seem to disappear. (But I hope 8-track stays 'history'.)

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Aug 20, 2018 08:19:25   #
camerapapi Loc: Miami, Fl.
 
My take on this is that we will not see it anytime soon. As convenient as mirrorless are they still do not perform to perfection when it comes to AF and tracking. I believe, never have used one, that the Olympus EM-1 Mk II is pretty good at it and I hear about enthusiastic reports on the Sony models but I have never used one and I cannot make any comments about them either.

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Aug 20, 2018 08:24:04   #
leftj Loc: Texas
 
warrior wrote:
With all the mirrorless cameras coming out are we going to see the end of DSLR?


We see the end of everything eventually.

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Aug 20, 2018 08:25:48   #
rehess Loc: South Bend, Indiana, USA
 
bsprague wrote:
I like my electronic viewfinder!

A single example is what happens when you put on a darker ND filter to capture the "creamy waterfall look". The viewfinder does not go dark! You see what the camera is going to record when you push the button.

I strongly dislike the "creamy waterfall look" - robs waterfall of its power - so that in particular isn't going to sell me.

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Aug 20, 2018 08:26:19   #
anotherview Loc: California
 
Only time will tell.
warrior wrote:
With all the mirrorless cameras coming out are we going to see the end of DSLR?

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Aug 20, 2018 08:26:39   #
leftj Loc: Texas
 
CO wrote:
A lot of photographers, amateur and pro, like optical viewfinders. I think DSLR's will stay. I hope so. I've never liked electronic viewfinders. I can check the LCD screen if I need to see how the photos are turning out.

I've seen people who have mirrorless cameras struggle at studio photo shoots. Their viewfinders were very dark. We take light meter reading and enter those settings into the camera. The aperture is usually set to f/8. DSLR cameras will hold the lens aperture at its largest setting until an instant before the shutter opens.
A lot of photographers, amateur and pro, like opti... (show quote)


Wow! So you frequent photo studios and watch photographers struggle with mirrorless cameras.

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Aug 20, 2018 08:53:06   #
barryg
 
Yes we will. Any disadvantages to mirrorless cameras will disappear as most already have. The viewfinder argument is no longer valid and in fact I find the view through my xt2 superior to any DSLR. modern DSLRs are retrofitted film cameras. A ground up redesign makes sense.

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Aug 20, 2018 09:17:57   #
BobL625usa
 
In my opinion all the hysterical speculation about the demise of the dslr is nonsense. The reason originally given for mirrorless was more compact size. Well, I remember when Olympus marketed a compact SLR. The ads showed the camera fitting inside a man’s dress shoe. Olympus didn’t overtake Canon, Nikon or Pentax at the time. I think the same thing is still true now. Look at the good glass with fast apertures (1.8, 2.8, 1.0, etc)from the mirrorless ff camera companies, principally Sony. They are about the same size and weight as the dslr lenses. You have a slightly smaller camera body attached to a large lens. Hardly a significant savings in terms of weight and size for travel over dslr.
IMHO the only major thing that will kill or hasten the demise of dslr would be if the major camera companies stop including the latest advances in sensor technology, auto focus advances and the higher resolutions for video(I.e. 4K, 8k etc.) as well as higher mp for still photography. At this point I don’t see any new technology that is exclusive to mirrorless (except the absence of the mirror and penta prism) that can’t be included or incorporated into new dslr introductions. And of course dslr has the huge catalog of lenses and advanced lens designs. I believe both platforms can coexist as long as the camera manufacturers continue to include the latest bells and whistles to both form factors. I challenge anyone at this point to argue that pictures taken with a mirrorless camera are superior to those taken with a dslr

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Aug 20, 2018 09:20:28   #
gwilliams6
 
CO wrote:
A lot of photographers, amateur and pro, like optical viewfinders. I think DSLR's will stay. I hope so. I've never liked electronic viewfinders. I can check the LCD screen if I need to see how the photos are turning out.

I've seen people who have mirrorless cameras struggle at studio photo shoots. Their viewfinders were very dark. We take light meter reading and enter those settings into the camera. The aperture is usually set to f/8. DSLR cameras will hold the lens aperture at its largest setting until an instant before the shutter opens.
A lot of photographers, amateur and pro, like opti... (show quote)


It just takes one second to switch the EVF of a top mirrorless camera to studio use where it keeps the lens aperture at largest setting. Not an issue at all fella. Get up to date here. Duh. I like many pros prefer the great EVF, no chimping necessary in the LCD screen, which takes your eye away from the subject, and you could miss the shot. I used OVFs for 40 years as a pro and switched to mirrorless and EVFs, and would never use a DSLR or OVF ever again. EVFs are the future here now. Check out the new Nikons on Aug. 23rd with their EVFs. Cheers

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Aug 20, 2018 09:21:04   #
leftj Loc: Texas
 
BobL625usa wrote:
In my opinion all the hysterical speculation about the demise of the dslr is nonsense. The reason originally given for mirrorless was more compact size. Well, I remember when Olympus marketed a compact SLR. The ads showed the camera fitting inside a man’s dress shoe. Olympus didn’t overtake Canon, Nikon or Pentax at the time. I think the same thing is still true now. Look at the good glass with fast apertures (1.8, 2.8, 1.0, etc)from the mirrorless ff camera companies, principally Sony. They are about the same size and weight as the dslr lenses. You have a slightly smaller camera body attached to a large lens. Hardly a significant savings in terms of weight and size for travel over dslr.
IMHO the only major thing that will kill or hasten the demise of dslr would be if the major camera companies stop including the latest advances in sensor technology, auto focus advances and the higher resolutions for video(I.e. 4K, 8k etc.) as well as higher mp for still photography. At this point I don’t see any new technology that is exclusive to mirrorless (except the absence of the mirror and penta prism) that can’t be included or incorporated into new dslr introductions. And of course dslr has the huge catalog of lenses and advanced lens designs. I believe both platforms can coexist as long as the camera manufacturers continue to include the latest bells and whistles to both form factors. I challenge anyone at this point to argue that pictures taken with a mirrorless camera are superior to those taken with a dslr
In my opinion all the hysterical speculation about... (show quote)


I love my Fuji mirrorless but I also love my Canon DSLR. The whole smaller/less weight thing is just pure nonsense.

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Aug 20, 2018 09:23:00   #
LWW Loc: Banana Republic of America
 
If you read old photo mags it was common knowledge circa 1940 that the RF would be killed off by the SLR.

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Aug 20, 2018 09:26:01   #
anotherview Loc: California
 
Thanks for this argument. It has a practical approach.
BobL625usa wrote:
In my opinion all the hysterical speculation about the demise of the dslr is nonsense. The reason originally given for mirrorless was more compact size. Well, I remember when Olympus marketed a compact SLR. The ads showed the camera fitting inside a man’s dress shoe. Olympus didn’t overtake Canon, Nikon or Pentax at the time. I think the same thing is still true now. Look at the good glass with fast apertures (1.8, 2.8, 1.0, etc)from the mirrorless ff camera companies, principally Sony. They are about the same size and weight as the dslr lenses. You have a slightly smaller camera body attached to a large lens. Hardly a significant savings in terms of weight and size for travel over dslr.
IMHO the only major thing that will kill or hasten the demise of dslr would be if the major camera companies stop including the latest advances in sensor technology, auto focus advances and the higher resolutions for video(I.e. 4K, 8k etc.) as well as higher mp for still photography. At this point I don’t see any new technology that is exclusive to mirrorless (except the absence of the mirror and penta prism) that can’t be included or incorporated into new dslr introductions. And of course dslr has the huge catalog of lenses and advanced lens designs. I believe both platforms can coexist as long as the camera manufacturers continue to include the latest bells and whistles to both form factors. I challenge anyone at this point to argue that pictures taken with a mirrorless camera are superior to those taken with a dslr
In my opinion all the hysterical speculation about... (show quote)

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Aug 20, 2018 09:31:41   #
gwilliams6
 
leftj wrote:
I love my Fuji mirrorless but I also love my Canon DSLR. The whole smaller/less weight thing is just pure nonsense.


Not nonsense at all. The difference in weight of my total kit since I have switched from DSLR to mirrorless is significant. Watch Dave McKeegan total up the weights, and know the facts. My back also knows the difference after a long photo trek or long wedding day of shooting. And it is not just older folks going for less weight, young shooters are also.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1nBx_O5ip0k&t=18s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mMhnsarpZWA

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Aug 20, 2018 09:32:00   #
ltj123 Loc: NW Wisconsin
 
I note several older members are moving to mirrorless for weight and size savings - good for them. Personally at 68 1/2 years old I don't need that yet, I've even just added a battery grip to make better use/feel for my 6d2 (was a bit small to my liking before adding grip).
Now planning road trip to west coast with few more National Parks and many more scenic hikes in September/October.

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Aug 20, 2018 09:32:01   #
olemikey Loc: 6 mile creek, Spacecoast Florida
 
Grace98 wrote:
I'll be happy to run your European branch in the UK



Grace98, You got the job!!!! Hey, we're headed worldwide!!!!

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