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Jul 20, 2018 12:19:40   #
Mike Holmes Loc: The Villages Fl
 
Do any of the current Canon dslr cameras incorporate a manual focusing system like the old slr's?

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Jul 20, 2018 12:26:42   #
jeep_daddy Loc: Prescott AZ
 
Mike Holmes wrote:
Do any of the current Canon dslr cameras incorporate a manual focusing system like the old slr's?


They can all do manual focus but they do NOT come with a split focus assist in the viewfinder. Although, on some of Canon' camera' it can be installed by a pro.

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Jul 20, 2018 12:27:35   #
BebuLamar
 
All DSLR's (Canon included) can focus manually however they lack the split image or microprism often found in old 35mm SLR.

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Jul 20, 2018 12:41:40   #
ken_stern Loc: Yorba Linda, Ca
 
jeep_daddy wrote:
They can all do manual focus but they do NOT come with a split focus assist in the viewfinder. Although, on some of Canon' camera' it can be installed by a pro.


All Canon lenses can be manually focused -- However as stated above most including my DSLR camera's do not allow me to use the manual focus split screens that I was able to use with my Canon Film cameras --

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Jul 20, 2018 13:04:34   #
ChristianHJensen
 
you can buy a variety of manual focus screens for most DSLRs - https://www.focusingscreen.com/index.php?osCsid=4a0ce12e5d0c569b954feba5c6d6ed21

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Jul 20, 2018 13:11:01   #
Mike Holmes Loc: The Villages Fl
 
I realize that I can manually focus my camera but without a split screen, or similar assist as was common with the older film slr's, it is difficult to do accurately.

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Jul 20, 2018 13:18:15   #
ken_stern Loc: Yorba Linda, Ca
 
There is one other way to get around this issue --- Use the live Screen option

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Jul 20, 2018 13:24:02   #
Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)
 
ken_stern wrote:
There is one other way to get around this issue --- Use the live Screen option


How does that work for you when you are at a soccer match, a motocross event, shooting birds, etc.?

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Jul 20, 2018 13:31:04   #
Mike Holmes Loc: The Villages Fl
 
There is no arguing that todays auto focus systems are outstanding but there are times when the subject fouls the system and it would be nice to include the good old split screen system.

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Jul 20, 2018 14:00:14   #
ken_stern Loc: Yorba Linda, Ca
 
Gene51 wrote:
How does that work for you when you are at a soccer match, a motocross event, shooting birds, etc.?


Not a clue ---
there is also collaboration

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Jul 20, 2018 14:08:20   #
BebuLamar
 
Mike Holmes wrote:
There is no arguing that todays auto focus systems are outstanding but there are times when the subject fouls the system and it would be nice to include the good old split screen system.


I believed Canon doesn't make a camera with split screen since 1987 and a lot of them were film cameras. I actually never liked the split screen. When I bought my Nikon F2 back in 1977 the first accessory I bought was a focusing screen without the split screen.

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Jul 20, 2018 14:43:22   #
amfoto1 Loc: San Jose, Calif. USA
 
Gene51 wrote:
How does that work for you when you are at a soccer match, a motocross event, shooting birds, etc.?


Those are all situations where you would be much better served using autofocus anyway (and hopefully a lens with a high performance AF system). I shot sports & wildlife with manual focus cameras and lenses for many years. I was darned good at it, too. But modern AF with the right camera and lens combo is faster and more accurate than I EVER was doing it manually!

While you CAN manually focus with all Canon DSLRs... should you?

It depends upon the lens.

USM or ultrasonic focus drive lenses have "Full Time Manual" focus. You can override the AF manually any time without concern of damaging the lens.

STM or stepper motor focus drive lenses also can be overridden manually without concern, but are "fly by wire" lenses that must be powered up even to manually focus them. (A few USM lenses are also "fly by wire".)

Micro motor focus drive lenses SHOULD NOT be manually overridden without first turning them off at the switch. Canon lenses that use a micro motor are any that aren't marked either USM or STM. A lot of third party lenses are micro motor too, consult the manufacturer regarding proper usage. (Tokina, for example, use a "focus clutch" mechanism that makes it impossible to manual focus their lenses without first taking them out of autofocus mode.)

Some Canon (and other) lenses are strictly manual focus. For example, all Canon TS-E "Tilt Shift" and the Canon MP-E 65mm macro lens are manual focus only. The type of photography done with those lenses, using Live View typically isn't a problem.

And, yes, you CAN change focus screens in many cameras (even some that aren't designed to facilitate it, though it might call for some disassembly).... adding features to help with manual focus such as a split image rangefinder and micro diaprisms. HOWEVER, you need to be aware that these often "mess with" the camera's metering system. At the very least, in most cases Spot Metering will no longer be accurate. Partial metering will likely be heavily skewed, too.... Other metering patterns may be more or less effected, too.

P.S. The various types of manual focus aids work with different types of lenses. For example, "split screen" work well with shorter focal lengths.... 85mm and less. With longer telephotos "micro diaprisms" work better. Overall matte field screens might be the most versatile, but also the hardest to see for critical focusing (I often used a magnifying loupe when working with my 4x5 camera, which only had a matte screen). Many SLRs and medium format cameras had focusing screens that incorporated two or all three types of manual focus assist features. Cameras designed for manual focus also tend to have bigger, brighter viewfinders than the typical DSLR.

Rangefinder cameras use a completely different method of focusing.... Often a dual image that aligns when in focus. Since this is not Through The Lens (TTL) focusing, the focusing system needed to be calibrated with the lens. Plus there are "parallax" issues when focusing close with RF cameras (the image seen framed in the viewfinder doesn't match up with the framing of what's actually being taken).

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Jul 21, 2018 06:36:51   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
Gene51 wrote:
How does that work for you when you are at a soccer match, a motocross event, shooting birds, etc.?


That's what AF is for.

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Jul 21, 2018 07:08:57   #
billnikon Loc: Pennsylvania/Ohio/Florida/Maui/Oregon/Vermont
 
Mike Holmes wrote:
Do any of the current Canon dslr cameras incorporate a manual focusing system like the old slr's?


Manual focus? Surely you just. Why? It is not only difficult to accurately manual focus with today's cheaply made manual focus rings,and, because of no split screens in today's DSLR's. And the mere thought of doing so makes my eyes water.

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Jul 21, 2018 13:14:45   #
imagemeister Loc: mid east Florida
 
Mike Holmes wrote:
Do any of the current Canon dslr cameras incorporate a manual focusing system like the old slr's?


Today's viewing screens in the prisms of dslr's and the manual focusing mechanics of AF lenses are NOT optimized for manual focusing - they are optimized for AF !

You may be able to find an interchangeable viewing screen for your camera that is better suited for manual focusing - check with Canon experts. The best lenses for manual focus are the older film lenses that have internal focusing - otherwise, all the AF lenses are about the same AFAIK.

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