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Jul 18, 2018 03:35:50   #
Diocletian
 
traderjohn wrote:
You do ramble on.


Why you do rude quite well! Aren’t you just special.

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Jul 18, 2018 05:47:26   #
BebuLamar
 
SteveR wrote:
A friend of mine married his first wife and on their wedding night insisted on reading the instruction manual to acquaint himself with all the functions that she was able to perform before anything. That's why she's his FIRST wife!!


You always mess up when you treat human the same way you treat machinery. For example I mostly use my cameras on manual and when it's on auto I know exactly how it will do things. With a human assistance he is always on auto and he has the freedom to help me in his own way.

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Jul 18, 2018 07:00:55   #
traderjohn Loc: New York City
 
Diocletian wrote:
Why you do rude quite well! Aren’t you just special.


Not rude. Just an observation.

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Jul 18, 2018 07:21:45   #
Bill_de Loc: US
 
The real problem:

2013
Eight years ago, a national survey on adult literacy offered data on the extent to which Americans -- even those with college credentials -- were declining in their proficiency to do the basic kinds of reading people use in everyday life.



https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2013/10/08/us-adults-rank-below-average-global-survey-basic-education-skills

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Jul 18, 2018 07:53:35   #
traderjohn Loc: New York City
 
Bill_de wrote:
The real problem:

2013
Eight years ago, a national survey on adult literacy offered data on the extent to which Americans -- even those with college credentials -- were declining in their proficiency to do the basic kinds of reading people use in everyday life.



https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2013/10/08/us-adults-rank-below-average-global-survey-basic-education-skills

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I guess that ranks right up with an NY Times article that 2/3rds of the incoming Freshman class to CUNY needs remedial classes. I will not belabor or ramble on anymore about the failure of NYC High Schools. Keep it short.

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Jul 18, 2018 09:30:21   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
Bill_de wrote:
The real problem:

2013
Eight years ago, a national survey on adult literacy offered data on the extent to which Americans -- even those with college credentials -- were declining in their proficiency to do the basic kinds of reading people use in everyday life.

https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2013/10/08/us-adults-rank-below-average-global-survey-basic-education-skills

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[sigh].

As attention spans have shrunk below 30 seconds or so, learning skills have dissipated as well.

When I was in college, we were expected to read over 100 pages of (scholarly!) material every night. Many of today’s professors are afraid to assign 20.

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Jul 18, 2018 09:53:34   #
SusanFromVermont Loc: Southwest corner of Vermont
 
burkphoto wrote:
[sigh].

As attention spans have shrunk below 30 seconds or so, learning skills have dissipated as well.

When I was in college, we were expected to read over 100 pages of (scholarly!) material every night. Many of today’s professors are afraid to assign 20.

One of the most useful things I learned in college was how to do research to find answers, and then how to analyze and decide for myself what sources were most relevant and accurate!

They say it is the use of cell phones and computers that have affected attention spans. It seems to me it is not so much the platform, but the way it is used. Social media, games, texting, tweeting, etc. are all short-term "instant" forms of entertainment and communication. Getting caught up in all of that seems to me to be what is responsible for shortened attention spans! Even a forum like this one can be included, because participation can be overdone.

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Jul 18, 2018 16:31:35   #
Bill_de Loc: US
 
SusanFromVermont wrote:
One of the most useful things I learned in college was how to do research to find answers, and then how to analyze and decide for myself what sources were most relevant and accurate!



I once asked a teacher why they assigned such ridiculous and obscure topics for research papers. The answer (not word for word) has stuck with me.

The reason is to learn how to learn. Writing a paper on things you are familiar with would be too easy. This way you learn how to find answers.

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Jul 18, 2018 16:49:49   #
jcboy3
 
Rathyatra wrote:
Better safe than sorry lol!


I would, if it was written in English. They are usually written in some bizarre translation from Japanese.

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Jul 18, 2018 17:08:18   #
traderjohn Loc: New York City
 
burkphoto wrote:
[sigh].

As attention spans have shrunk below 30 seconds or so, learning skills have dissipated as well.

When I was in college, we were expected to read over 100 pages of (scholarly!) material every night. Many of today’s professors are afraid to assign 20.


I was sent home in 67. Started college under the GI Bill in 68. I went to classes after work and went home around 9 PM. That 100 pages of "scholarly" material every night...that's large. My son-law is a Ph.D. he works for Pfizer. I will ask him what his "scholarly" 100 pages were on a daily basis. Later when I enrolled for my Masters, we never read 100 pages per night of "scholarly" material. Course material for sure, never 100 pages per night. Maybe an MBA program is different.

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Jul 18, 2018 17:11:16   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
jcboy3 wrote:
I would, if it was written in English. They are usually written in some bizarre translation from Japanese.


If you really dig into JEnglish/Japlish, you’ll see that it has a very consistent structure, grammar, and cadence, just like any other variant of English. You get used to it. It’s rather quaint, actually. After 30 pages or so, you internalize the patterns.

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Jul 18, 2018 17:23:32   #
traderjohn Loc: New York City
 
burkphoto wrote:
[sigh].

As attention spans have shrunk below 30 seconds or so, learning skills have dissipated as well.

When I was in college, we were expected to read over 100 pages of (scholarly!) material every night. Many of today’s professors are afraid to assign 20.


That's a broad generalization. I didn't find that to be true before I retired. Outside of 7 years in the Marines, my whole working career was on Wall St. As I progressed through the company I had interns who spent their summers and a semester or two in my department. I found these young men and women to be very smart they understood the reward that comes from being aware of their environment and paying attention. Their attention spans lasted all day. Before I retired I kept in touch with quite a few of them. I wanted to know what they knew. I was the Pharmaceutical Analyst for my company. Most branched into different sectors. They are very switched on and successful.

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Jul 18, 2018 17:26:35   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
traderjohn wrote:
I was sent home in 67. Started college under the GI Bill in 68. I went to classes after work and went home around 9 PM. That 100 pages of "scholarly" material every night...that's large. My son-law is a Ph.D. he works for Pfizer. I will ask him what his "scholarly" 100 pages were on a daily basis. Later when I enrolled for my Masters, we never read 100 pages per night of "scholarly" material. Course material for sure, never 100 pages per night. Maybe an MBA program is different.
I was sent home in 67. Started college under the G... (show quote)


Davidson’s humanities track alone could generate 60 to 80 pages a night. Add two more courses every 50-day, three course trimester, and we were all brain dead. I filled four feet of shelf space with just the books from Freshman year!

Yes, my high school chums who went to USC (SC, not CA) were partying all the time and pulling A’s.

Schools are wildly different in their rigor, as are departments within them. Western Carolina, where my son is, is relatively mild. He takes 22 hours next semester and plans to graduate with honors in three years.

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Jul 18, 2018 19:42:03   #
SusanFromVermont Loc: Southwest corner of Vermont
 
jcboy3 wrote:
I would, if it was written in English. They are usually written in some bizarre translation from Japanese.

The newer ones are much better.

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