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Jul 16, 2018 12:15:56   #
regularguy55
 
Have owned the G7x MII for a year and it is my go-to equipment. I do not photo for sales or large copy; simply travel, landscapes, street, family and grandchildren portraits. Can’t say enough good things about it. As always, cameras are a personal choice and should fit the person’s lifestyle and physical abilities and likes/dislikes for size, weight, etc. I have 95% ceased to use my DSLR. The G7X MKII lens is outstanding IMHO. Have experience with Canon EOS, various Powershots, and limited Nikon DSLRs and months leading up to the G7X MKII tested Sony, Panasonic, and Leica compacts, bridges, and point and shoots. Have not been disappointed with my selection. Some choices available are up to double the price of the G7X MKII and to me do not provide added value for my needs.

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Jul 16, 2018 12:27:24   #
Wingpilot Loc: Wasilla. Ak
 
regularguy55 wrote:
Have owned the G7x MII for a year and it is my go-to equipment. I do not photo for sales or large copy; simply travel, landscapes, street, family and grandchildren portraits. Can’t say enough good things about it. As always, cameras are a personal choice and should fit the person’s lifestyle and physical abilities and likes/dislikes for size, weight, etc. I have 95% ceased to use my DSLR. The G7X MKII lens is outstanding IMHO. Have experience with Canon EOS, various Powershots, and limited Nikon DSLRs and months leading up to the G7X MKII tested Sony, Panasonic, and Leica compacts, bridges, and point and shoots. Have not been disappointed with my selection. Some choices available are up to double the price of the G7X MKII and to me do not provide added value for my needs.
Have owned the G7x MII for a year and it is my go-... (show quote)


Thanks for that vote of confidence.

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Jul 16, 2018 13:26:56   #
amfoto1 Loc: San Jose, Calif. USA
 
Current Canon Powershot G?X series models include:

G1X Mark III... 24MP, APS-C size CMOS sensor, built-in electronic viewfinder, dual pixel AF (phase detect), 9 fps, 24-72mm f/2-2.9 lens (film/full frame equiv.) ... $1100 sale price (reg. $1300).

G1X Mark II... (discontinued but widely available) 12.MP, 1.5" size CMOS sensor, separate electronic viewfinder (EVF-DC1 or EVF-CD2, using hot shoe), ? hybrid contrast detect AF ?, 5 fps, 24-120mm f/2-3.9 lens (film/FF equiv.) .... $600 sale price for G1X Mk II, $300 for EVF-DC1, $200 for EVF-DC2.

G3X... 20MP, 1" CMOS sensor, separate electronic viewfinder (EVF-DC1 or EVF-DC2, using hot shoe), "fast" AF (? hybrid contrast detect ?), 7 fps, 24-600mm f/2.8-5.6 (film/FF equiv.).... $900 sale price w/EVF-DC1 (reg. $1300).

G5X... 20MP, 1" CMOS sensor, built-in electronic viewfinder, ? contrast detect AF ?, 6 fps (4.5 fps w/continuous focus), 24-100mm f/1.8-2.8 (film/FF equiv.).... $700 sale price (reg. $800).

G7X Mark II... 20MP, 1" CMOS sensor, no viewfinder, ? contrast detect AF ?, 8 fps (5.4 fps w/continuous focus), 24-100mm f/1.8-2.8 lens (film/FF equiv.)... $650 sale price (reg. $700).

G9X Mark II... 20MP, 1" CMOS sensor, no viewfinder, ? contrast detect AF ?, 8 fps (4 fps w/continuous focus), 28-84mm f/2-4.8 lens (film/FF equiv.).... $400 sale price (reg. $530).

Note regarding AF: Latest top of the line Canon are using a Dual Pixel AF system that's phase detection and faster than earlier contrast detection methods of AF. There have also been different versions of contrast detection.... A hybrid version performs better than the standard version. Of the above, only the G1X Mark III uses DPAF. Buyers considering other models should carefully investigate AF performance.

Viewfinders.... Want a built-in electronic viewfinder: G5 or G1XIII. Optional electronic viewfinder (EVF-DC1 or EVF-DC2 mount in hot shoe): G1XII or G3. No viewfinder at all: G7II or G9II.

Flash.... All models have a small, built-in, relatively low power pop-up flash that draws power from the camera's battery. As noted above, models using a built-in viewfinder also have a hot shoe to accommodate an accessory flash. Models that rely upon an accessory viewfinder use the hot shoe to mount the EVF, so cannot be use with an accessory flash at the same time the EVF is being used. 7DII and 9DII do not have a hot shoe or any means of using a dedicated accessory flash. (Non-dedicated flash may be usable, optically triggered by the camera's built-in flash.)

Sensors: G1XIII uses larger APS-C size (same as now used in all APS-C Canon DSLRs, 1.6X "lens factor"). Earlier G1X versions use a slightly smaller 1.5X size (very close to "micro 4/3" size, 2X "lens factor"). Other G?X use slightly smaller 1" sensors (2.7X "lens factor"), but those are still considerably larger than the tiny 1/1.7", 1/2.3" and 1/2.5" used in many point 'n' shoot, non-interchangeable lens digital cameras (Lens factors: 1/1.7" = 4.7X. 1/2.3" = 5.6X. 1/2.5" = 6X.) Larger and less crowded sensors such as all the Canon G?X models use, more or less, make for less heat gain and less cross-talk between pixels. That results in lower signal to noise ratio... i.e. less noise at any given ISO... higher usable ISOs and potentially better low light image quality. Less crowded sensors also often can use larger individual pixel sites, which have the potential to capture more fine detail.

Lenses: Larger sensors limit the zoom range of lenses to some extent. In other words, one reason manufacturers use very small sensors in some of these cameras is to "leverage" more extreme zoom range and telephoto reach from reasonably compact lenses. (Due to the differences in sensor formats, all lens focal lengths are stated in "film/full frame equivalents", which is common practice with cameras of this type, to allow for comparison.) Also note differences in lens max f-stops.

Processor speed, frame rate and buffer are related items. Note that continuous frame rates are stated two ways: higher frame rate is with locked AF (One Shot mode in Canon-speak), while the lower fps is with continuous focus (AI Servo, Canon calls it).

All the above models have image stabilization, but buyers should compare the ratings and features of each. Some IS is more sophisticated and capable than others.

All the above models also have articulated, Touch Screen LCD monitors on the rear. Size and resolution may vary a little, so check the specs.

All above models can capture both JPEG and RAW image files. RAW files from all models are 14 bit.

https://www.dpreview.com/reviews/canon-powershot-g1-x-mark-iii-review
https://www.dpreview.com/reviews/canon-powershot-g1-x-mark-ii
https://www.dpreview.com/products/canon/compacts/canon_g3x
https://www.dpreview.com/products/canon/compacts/canon_g5x
https://www.dpreview.com/products/canon/compacts/canon_g7xii
https://www.dpreview.com/reviews/canon-powershot-g9-x-mark-ii-review

Have fun shopping!

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Jul 16, 2018 13:34:04   #
Wingpilot Loc: Wasilla. Ak
 
amfoto1 wrote:
Current Canon Powershot G?X series models include:

G1X Mark III... 24MP, APS-C size CMOS sensor, built-in electronic viewfinder, dual pixel AF (phase detect), 9 fps, 24-72mm f/2-2.9 lens (film/full frame equiv.) ... $1100 sale price (reg. $1300).

G1X Mark II... (discontinued but widely available) 12.MP, 1.5" size CMOS sensor, separate electronic viewfinder (EVF-DC1 or EVF-CD2, using hot shoe), ? hybrid contrast detect AF ?, 5 fps, 24-120mm f/2-3.9 lens (film/FF equiv.) .... $600 sale price for G1X Mk II, $300 for EVF-DC1, $200 for EVF-DC2.

G3X... 20MP, 1" CMOS sensor, separate electronic viewfinder (EVF-DC1 or EVF-DC2, using hot shoe), "fast" AF (? hybrid contrast detect ?), 7 fps, 24-600mm f/2.8-5.6 (film/FF equiv.).... $900 sale price w/EVF-DC1 (reg. $1300).

G5X... 20MP, 1" CMOS sensor, built-in electronic viewfinder, ? contrast detect AF ?, 6 fps (4.5 fps w/continuous focus), 24-100mm f/1.8-2.8 (film/FF equiv.).... $700 sale price (reg. $800).

G7X Mark II... 20MP, 1" CMOS sensor, no viewfinder, ? contrast detect AF ?, 8 fps (5.4 fps w/continuous focus), 24-100mm f/1.8-2.8 lens (film/FF equiv.)... $650 sale price (reg. $700).

G9X Mark II... 20MP, 1" CMOS sensor, no viewfinder, ? contrast detect AF ?, 8 fps (4 fps w/continuous focus), 28-84mm f/2-4.8 lens (film/FF equiv.).... $400 sale price (reg. $530).

Note regarding AF: Latest top of the line Canon are using a Dual Pixel AF system that's phase detection and faster than earlier contrast detection methods of AF. There have also been different versions of contrast detection.... A hybrid version performs better than the standard version. Of the above, only the G1X Mark III uses DPAF. Buyers considering other models should carefully investigate AF performance.

Viewfinders.... Want a built-in electronic viewfinder: G5 or G1XIII. Optional electronic viewfinder (EVF-DC1 or EVF-DC2 mount in hot shoe): G1XII or G3. No viewfinder at all: G7II or G9II.

Flash.... All models have a small, built-in, relatively low power pop-up flash that draws power from the camera's battery. As noted above, models using a built-in viewfinder also have a hot shoe to accommodate an accessory flash. Models that rely upon an accessory viewfinder use the hot shoe to mount the EVF, so cannot be use with an accessory flash at the same time the EVF is being used. 7DII and 9DII do not have a hot shoe or any means of using a dedicated accessory flash. (Non-dedicated flash may be usable, optically triggered by the camera's built-in flash.)

Sensors: G1XIII uses larger APS-C size (same as now used in all APS-C Canon DSLRs, 1.6X "lens factor"). Earlier G1X versions use a slightly smaller 1.5X size (very close to "micro 4/3" size, 2X "lens factor"). Other G?X use slightly smaller 1" sensors (2.7X "lens factor"), but those are still considerably larger than the tiny 1/1.7", 1/2.3" and 1/2.5" used in many point 'n' shoot, non-interchangeable lens digital cameras (Lens factors: 1/1.7" = 4.7X. 1/2.3" = 5.6X. 1/2.5" = 6X.) Larger and less crowded sensors such as all the Canon G?X models use, more or less, make for less heat gain and less cross-talk between pixels. That results in lower signal to noise ratio... i.e. less noise at any given ISO... higher usable ISOs and potentially better low light image quality. Less crowded sensors also often can use larger individual pixel sites, which have the potential to capture more fine detail.

Lenses: Larger sensors limit the zoom range of lenses to some extent. In other words, one reason manufacturers use very small sensors in some of these cameras is to "leverage" more extreme zoom range and telephoto reach from reasonably compact lenses. (Due to the differences in sensor formats, all lens focal lengths are stated in "film/full frame equivalents", which is common practice with cameras of this type, to allow for comparison.) Also note differences in lens max f-stops.

Processor speed, frame rate and buffer are related items. Note that continuous frame rates are stated two ways: higher frame rate is with locked AF (One Shot mode in Canon-speak), while the lower fps is with continuous focus (AI Servo, Canon calls it).

All the above models have image stabilization, but buyers should compare the ratings and features of each. Some IS is more sophisticated and capable than others.

All the above models also have articulated, Touch Screen LCD monitors on the rear. Size and resolution may vary a little, so check the specs.

All above models can capture both JPEG and RAW image files. RAW files from all models are 14 bit.

https://www.dpreview.com/reviews/canon-powershot-g1-x-mark-iii-review
https://www.dpreview.com/reviews/canon-powershot-g1-x-mark-ii
https://www.dpreview.com/products/canon/compacts/canon_g3x
https://www.dpreview.com/products/canon/compacts/canon_g5x
https://www.dpreview.com/products/canon/compacts/canon_g7xii
https://www.dpreview.com/reviews/canon-powershot-g9-x-mark-ii-review

Have fun shopping!
Current Canon Powershot G?X series models include:... (show quote)


Thank you for that great, detailed comparison. None of them bad, some may be better than others. Again, thanks.

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Jul 16, 2018 14:11:38   #
mymike Loc: Tucson, AZ
 
It’s my everyday camera! Easy to use, great image quality, image stabilization and shoots raw. I have 5 other camera’s (all larger) but the G7X is my go to camera for quick and easy shots. I am on vacation now, and have it along with my Nikon D750 which I use for more serious shots when I want to use my best camera.

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Jul 16, 2018 14:55:21   #
Wingpilot Loc: Wasilla. Ak
 
mymike wrote:
It’s my everyday camera! Easy to use, great image quality, image stabilization and shoots raw. I have 5 other camera’s (all larger) but the G7X is my go to camera for quick and easy shots. I am on vacation now, and have it along with my Nikon D750 which I use for more serious shots when I want to use my best camera.


Lot of similar comments here. I think, though, that what I want to do is reduce my kit to one camera, and make it one that is very convenient. I just don't get out that much anymore.

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Jul 16, 2018 16:37:43   #
therwol Loc: USA
 
Wingpilot wrote:
Lot of similar comments here. I think, though, that what I want to do is reduce my kit to one camera, and make it one that is very convenient. I just don't get out that much anymore.


You asked about this camera three months ago, and I posted some pictures I took with mine on that thread. It's an excellent camera. I adjusted the sharpness settings to my liking. I like the flip screen. Yes, I do take some selfies with my wife. The touch screen lets you touch the point where you want the camera go focus. The ONLY negative thing for me has been that when I walk around with the camera on, I always manage to hit some setting on the touch screen that changes it, like the ISO when I don't want to change the setting.

https://www.uglyhedgehog.com/t-523506-4.html

If this link works, scroll down to see my photos at various focal lengths of the same scene and zoom in to see if you think the pictures are sharp enough. This is a 1 inch sensor, after all.

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Jul 16, 2018 17:12:15   #
TommiRulz Loc: Corpus Christi, TX
 
I just bought a G7X after I dropped my RX100m4 in a swimming pool and didn't find it till the next day. The Canon's picture quality is amazing, I felt it was just as good as my RX100m4, BUT I could not stand not having a viewfinder, (I did not realize how much I used it) So I have my G7X for sale right now on ebay for $450. And it is absolutely perfect brand new condition. I seriously just bought it about 3 weeks ago, and used it twice. I'm going back to RX100 m6
So anyway if your looking for a good deal check mine out on ebay : https://www.ebay.com/itm/223063860804?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649

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Jul 16, 2018 18:08:18   #
therwol Loc: USA
 
TommiRulz wrote:
I just bought a G7X after I dropped my RX100m4 in a swimming pool and didn't find it till the next day. The Canon's picture quality is amazing, I felt it was just as good as my RX100m4, BUT I could not stand not having a viewfinder, (I did not realize how much I used it) So I have my G7X for sale right now on ebay for $450. And it is absolutely perfect brand new condition. I seriously just bought it about 3 weeks ago, and used it twice. I'm going back to RX100 m6
So anyway if your looking for a good deal check mine out on ebay : https://www.ebay.com/itm/223063860804?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649
I just bought a G7X after I dropped my RX100m4 in ... (show quote)


I'd buy it, but I already have one. My son in-law has the Sony Rx100m4. I was impressed, but the Canon was a lot cheaper, and I came to the conclusion in reading everything I could about the two cameras that there would not likely be a difference in image quality. I left my Nikon D810 at home when I vacationed in Europe last year and took my little Canon. I've done the mega-bag to Europe in the past, and wasn't in the mood this time.

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Jul 16, 2018 18:25:42   #
Wingpilot Loc: Wasilla. Ak
 
therwol wrote:
You asked about this camera three months ago, and I posted some pictures I took with mine on that thread. It's an excellent camera. I adjusted the sharpness settings to my liking. I like the flip screen. Yes, I do take some selfies with my wife. The touch screen lets you touch the point where you want the camera go focus. The ONLY negative thing for me has been that when I walk around with the camera on, I always manage to hit some setting on the touch screen that changes it, like the ISO when I don't want to change the setting.

https://www.uglyhedgehog.com/t-523506-4.html

If this link works, scroll down to see my photos at various focal lengths of the same scene and zoom in to see if you think the pictures are sharp enough. This is a 1 inch sensor, after all.
You asked about this camera three months ago, and ... (show quote)


You're right. I totally forgot about that thread, and given the title to that thread, it's no wonder I didn't find it in my search. I just figured the search feature would cue on key words, like G7X Mkii, but I guess itjust keys in titles. And those are pretty nice pictures, too.

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Jul 16, 2018 18:29:01   #
therwol Loc: USA
 
Wingpilot wrote:
You're right. I totally forgot about that thread, and given the title to that thread, it's no wonder I didn't find it in my search. I just figured the search feature would cue on key words, like G7X Mkii, but I guess itjust keys in titles. And those are pretty nice pictures, too.


Thank you. Lake District near Grasmere, UK. Type Grasmere into Google and click on images, and you'll see why my wife and I vacation there almost every year.

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Jul 16, 2018 18:48:07   #
Wingpilot Loc: Wasilla. Ak
 
therwol wrote:
Thank you. Lake District near Grasmere, UK. Type Grasmere into Google and click on images, and you'll see why my wife and I vacation there almost every year.


That's a very beautiful place.

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Jul 16, 2018 19:24:18   #
AlohaJim Loc: Retired. Hawaii >> N. Arizona.
 
Wingpilot wrote:
Thanks. So how would you rate the G5X against the G7X MkII? I've been reading about that one too.

The G5X MK II is what I have.
The difference is the viewfinder. I tried the others (Canon G9 series, G7 series, etc. all excellent) and found that I wanted the DSLR features and feeling. I compose a lot better with a viewfinder instead of an LCD screen. (bad eyes). Between the Canon models, it's more a matter of form factor IMHO, too.

But, later I bought a Sony RX100 MKV and found there were things about it that were superior. Also the pop up digital viewfinder. Small form factor. And blazing focusing speed. I recently gave my G5X MKii to my wife.

As an aside, as a Canon shooter, I like the Canon colors over the Sony. But the technology in a modern Sony is incredible.
j

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Jul 16, 2018 19:33:40   #
Wingpilot Loc: Wasilla. Ak
 
AlohaJim wrote:
The G5X MK II is what I have.
The difference is the viewfinder. I tried the others (Canon G9 series, G7 series, etc. all excellent) and found that I wanted the DSLR features and feeling. I compose a lot better with a viewfinder instead of an LCD screen. (bad eyes). Between the Canon models, it's more a matter of form factor IMHO, too.

But, later I bought a Sony RX100 MKV and found there were things about it that were superior. Also the pop up digital viewfinder. Small form factor. And blazing focusing speed. I recently gave my G5X MKii to my wife.

As an aside, as a Canon shooter, I like the Canon colors over the Sony. But the technology in a modern Sony is incredible.
j
The G5X MK II is what I have. br The difference is... (show quote)


I think they're all trying to keep up. Some just do it better than others.

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Jul 16, 2018 20:09:34   #
Ched49 Loc: Pittsburgh, Pa.
 
For me the big selling point is the 24-100 lens and a bright aperture, these types of point & shoot cameras make great travel companions.

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