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Jul 15, 2018 15:55:13   #
UTMike Loc: South Jordan, UT
 
In editing photos from an exhibit at the New York Botanical Garden, I came across the attached photo. What you see in the download is a crop and edit that resulted in noise that I did not know how to address. Perhaps it cannot be addressed and I should consider this shot an "art" picture. I use LightRoom and Photo Shop, but I have little familiarity with PS.


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Jul 15, 2018 16:04:26   #
robertjerl Loc: Corona, California
 
Was it originally shot in RAW? Was it first imported into LR?
If yes to both then you can go back to the Out Of Camera RAW in the LR develop mode and re-do it, with noise reduction.
How much of a crop is it and how big will you be printing?

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Jul 15, 2018 16:05:48   #
MikWar Loc: Chicago, Western Suburbs
 
Did you try the Noise Reduction sliders in the Detail panel of the Develop module in Lightroom? Try the Luminance and Color sliders separately.

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Jul 15, 2018 16:38:23   #
R.G. Loc: Scotland
 
Lifting the shadows a lot will result in noise. Settling for a more contrasty shot by easing off with the Shadows slider will help. And if you use the Masking slider in the Sharpen section to give it edge-based sharpening, you'll be able to give it generous amounts of denoise without causing excessive softness. When you add Luminance denioise, keep the Denoise Details slider up quite high (85-90). And use generous amounts of Color denoise (again with the Details slider quite high).

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Jul 15, 2018 18:16:20   #
UTMike Loc: South Jordan, UT
 
robertjerl wrote:
Was it originally shot in RAW? Was it first imported into LR?
If yes to both then you can go back to the Out Of Camera RAW in the LR develop mode and re-do it, with noise reduction.
How much of a crop is it and how big will you be printing?


Good suggestion. I will give that a try. Thanks, Bob.

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Jul 15, 2018 18:16:42   #
UTMike Loc: South Jordan, UT
 
MikWar wrote:
Did you try the Noise Reduction sliders in the Detail panel of the Develop module in Lightroom? Try the Luminance and Color sliders separately.


Another good point. I may get this right.

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Jul 15, 2018 18:17:27   #
UTMike Loc: South Jordan, UT
 
R.G. wrote:
Lifting the shadows a lot will result in noise. Settling for a more contrasty shot by easing off with the Shadows slider will help. And if you use the Masking slider in the Sharpen section to give it edge-based sharpening, you'll be able to give it generous amounts of denoise without causing excessive softness. When you add Luminance denioise, keep the Denoise Details slider up quite high (85-90). And use generous amounts of Color denoise (again with the Details slider quite high).


Thanks, R.G., with this much guidance, I may get there.

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Jul 15, 2018 18:27:28   #
UTMike Loc: South Jordan, UT
 
Here is the redo


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Jul 16, 2018 01:28:00   #
R.G. Loc: Scotland
 
Much improved. You might get away with an overall lightening now that the worst of the noise has been tamed. If the background persists in being a problem you could select it and give it extra denoise (and possibly darkening) since there's no small detail or texture to be lost. You might also find that you can slightly increase the brightness of yellow and orange in the HSL section - but watch out for it causing patchiness. Too big an adjustment can do that.

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Jul 16, 2018 01:38:52   #
robertjerl Loc: Corona, California
 
Big improvement - now you can use the clone tool to take out all the light reflection hot spots, Do one at a time take your time and if one doesn't look right undo it and try again. Eventually you will get them all.

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Jul 16, 2018 05:57:19   #
johneccles Loc: Leyland UK
 
There a couple of things to try, use a lower ISO next time although ISO 500 shouldn't be too high the noise is not really acceptable.

(Manual exposure, 1/100 sec, f/5.6, ISO 500)

You could also try using the denoise in your post-processing software.

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Jul 16, 2018 08:08:32   #
BobHartung Loc: Bettendorf, IA
 
UTMike wrote:
In editing photos from an exhibit at the New York Botanical Garden, I came across the attached photo. What you see in the download is a crop and edit that resulted in noise that I did not know how to address. Perhaps it cannot be addressed and I should consider this shot an "art" picture. I use LightRoom and Photo Shop, but I have little familiarity with PS.


Imagenomics Noiseware will help when you hit the wall with the LR adjustments. John Paul Caponigro swears by it.

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Jul 16, 2018 12:25:40   #
UTMike Loc: South Jordan, UT
 
Thanks everyone! This has been a great tutorial for me and gives me something to work on when it gets too hot.

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Jul 16, 2018 13:27:47   #
KTJohnson Loc: Northern Michigan
 
That's an amazing improvement. Well done! And thanks R.G. and others for advice.

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Jul 16, 2018 14:39:16   #
Silverman Loc: Michigan
 
UTMike wrote:
In editing photos from an exhibit at the New York Botanical Garden, I came across the attached photo. What you see in the download is a crop and edit that resulted in noise that I did not know how to address. Perhaps it cannot be addressed and I should consider this shot an "art" picture. I use LightRoom and Photo Shop, but I have little familiarity with PS.


Wow, the download image really shows the Noise! Possibly ISO was set too high?
Maybe a Manual setting with a low ISO and possibly if required a "Off-Camera" bounced Speedlight Flash would have improved the photo.
Possibly Try the "I Am Shooting" method of setting your exposure, in the following order, #1-ISO, #2-Aperture #3-Shutter Speed.
Hopefully, Other more Professional experts will have offer you further advice.

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