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Jul 17, 2018 09:14:14   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
Diocletian wrote:
Must be tough to make up so many assumptions with no proof whatsoever......

Anger, anger? What anger and how was I showing anger? Oh, must have been because I disagreed with you....oh, sorry, so sorry

An awful lot of words you needed to support your position...and even after all that I’m not sure what your point is.....poor boy.


You are starting to sound like dirt except you know the proper way to spell, boy. You even have the derogatory insult down. Good for you.

Anger is a subjective word. I detect it in your words. Of course online, it is sometimes hard to tell.

Dennis

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Jul 17, 2018 13:08:55   #
Diocletian
 
dennis2146 wrote:
You would need to check for yourself regarding wolves and panthers in Florida. From your post I believe you are talking about wolves and panthers just in Florida.

I am saying sportsmen did not wipe out any species.

Keep in mind that this entire post as well as the previous post regarding the young lady killing the giraffe was about SPORT hunters decimating herds of animals; NOT about market hunters, poachers, taking bison from native Americans etc.

I can tell you that wolves are on the rise in Idaho to the point that I can kill up to five if I desire.

Dennis
You would need to check for yourself regarding wol... (show quote)


Wolves were reintroduced to Yellowstone in 1995, after being driven to extinction in the lower 48. They are still vulnerable as a species, regardless of what the Idaho State Government says.

And by saying SPORT HUNTERS, you mean the ethical ones, of which there may or may not be many.

And here is an article about the FL panther

http://archive.naplesnews.com/news/on-the-edge-florida-panthers-stand-close-to-disappearing-ep-403313000-332818341.html/

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Jul 17, 2018 20:25:39   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
Diocletian wrote:
Wolves were reintroduced to Yellowstone in 1995, after being driven to extinction in the lower 48. They are still vulnerable as a species, regardless of what the Idaho State Government says.

And by saying SPORT HUNTERS, you mean the ethical ones, of which there may or may not be many.

And here is an article about the FL panther

http://archive.naplesnews.com/news/on-the-edge-florida-panthers-stand-close-to-disappearing-ep-403313000-332818341.html/


Yes, we will all believe you rather than the Idaho Fish and Game Department. Yup, absolutely. Uh huh.

As for the Florida panther, try to remember the discussion is about sport hunting, not any other reason for animals disappearing from the landscape. It would seem the Florida panther numbers are diminishing due to loss of land to support the species. I doubt sport hunting is allowed there for lions.

What else do you have?

Dennis

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Jul 18, 2018 01:46:51   #
Diocletian
 
dennis2146 wrote:
Yes, we will all believe you rather than the Idaho Fish and Game Department. Yup, absolutely. Uh huh.

As for the Florida panther, try to remember the discussion is about sport hunting, not any other reason for animals disappearing from the landscape. It would seem the Florida panther numbers are diminishing due to loss of land to support the species. I doubt sport hunting is allowed there for lions.

What else do you have?

Dennis


Well certainly the Idaho Fish and Game Department would never ever ever be pressured by ranchers who want every wolf wiped from the face of the earth. And the government always, always tells you the truth.

“The Florida panther is the only subspecies of mountain lion that remains in the eastern United States. Hunting decimated the population badly, and it was one of the first species added to the U.S. endangered species list in 1973. ... Today there are only 120 to 130 Florida panthers left in the wild.
Florida Panther - National Wildlife Federation

http://www.tampabay.com/news/environment/wildlife/hunter-pleads-guilty-to-killing-endangered-florida-panther/1230915

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Jul 18, 2018 08:37:31   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
Diocletian wrote:
Well certainly the Idaho Fish and Game Department would never ever ever be pressured by ranchers who want every wolf wiped from the face of the earth. And the government always, always tells you the truth.

“The Florida panther is the only subspecies of mountain lion that remains in the eastern United States. Hunting decimated the population badly, and it was one of the first species added to the U.S. endangered species list in 1973. ... Today there are only 120 to 130 Florida panthers left in the wild.
Florida Panther - National Wildlife Federation

http://www.tampabay.com/news/environment/wildlife/hunter-pleads-guilty-to-killing-endangered-florida-panther/1230915
Well certainly the Idaho Fish and Game Department ... (show quote)


No, the government, especially under Democrat Party rule, does not always tell the truth. We ALL know that.

Ranchers lose thousands of dollars in cattle to wolves. How would you expect them them to feel? But though the Idaho Fish and Game listens to them they also listen to the do gooders who just love wolves and want them around. You know, the ones from LA, Detroit and NYC. Too bad they don’t live in the real world.

I read the previous link. Interesting and explains how it is NOT sport hunters who are killing off the lions. I get it.

Great talking to you.

Dennis

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Jul 18, 2018 11:10:02   #
Diocletian
 
dennis2146 wrote:
No, the government, especially under Democrat Party rule, does not always tell the truth. We ALL know that.

Ranchers lose thousands of dollars in cattle to wolves. How would you expect them them to feel? But though the Idaho Fish and Game listens to them they also listen to the do gooders who just love wolves and want them around. You know, the ones from LA, Detroit and NYC. Too bad they don’t live in the real world.

I read the previous link. Interesting and explains how it is NOT sport hunters who are killing off the lions. I get it.

Great talking to you.

Dennis
No, the government, especially under Democrat Part... (show quote)


Well thank god we have the republicans in office because they all tell the truth...

Not the sport hunters......and the definition of ‘hunters’ gets narrower and narrower as much backpedalling is done...almost reminds me of the maelstrom of misinformation in the white house

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Jul 18, 2018 13:06:26   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
Diocletian wrote:
Well thank god we have the republicans in office because they all tell the truth...

Not the sport hunters......and the definition of ‘hunters’ gets narrower and narrower as much backpedalling is done...almost reminds me of the maelstrom of misinformation in the white house


Throughout history there have been many types of people who hunted. Some, now termed as sport hunters, killed animals for personal use to feed their family and friends. These people, nowadays, purchase appropriate licenses, follow game laws and most report game violators when seen. They may hunt in different countries but will still follow all game laws and pay appropriate fees.

Then there are market hunters, mostly prevalent during the 1870’s to maybe early 1900’s in not only America but other countries as well. These hunters would kill unlimited ducks, geese and other animals to sell to butcher shops. This practice stopped when limits on game were established in America. For shooting waterfowl, large heavy Punt guns were used. The gun was mounted on the front of a boat. When the boat was propelled close to a flock of birds on the water the gun was fired killing as many birds as possible. This practice was outlawed many years ago. Also the size of shotgun bore allowable was limited to no larger than 10 gauge and a three shot shell capacity limit for waterfowl was established.

The killing of the bison was a combination of market hunting and the government wanting to take a food and hide supply from Native Americans.

I doubt I have been backpedaling but more trying to explain the differences In hunting methods and the reasoning of those choices. Many people lump shooting of animals into one group when that is a very wrong assumption on their part. If you know all of this already, OR you are an anti hunter and no matter what I say then I won’t waste my time trying to explain anything to you. I do believe most people with common sense will agree with me.

Dennis

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Jul 18, 2018 16:33:05   #
chapjohn Loc: Tigard, Oregon
 
This video presents the same information the OP started this thread with...Un-Endagnered Species
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IZ20zQwfmQE

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