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Jul 10, 2018 03:00:47   #
kymarto Loc: Portland OR and Milan Italy
 
Do remember that if you shoot trying to isolate subject from background, and especially if you use vintage lenses that have unique bokeh characteristics, there is a very large difference between FF and crop. Here is a shot with an old Angenieux lens, shot on FF and then in crop mode on a Sony A7RII, moving back enough in crop mode to have the same subject size. Note the difference in the background rendering.

Crop mode
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Jul 10, 2018 03:48:00   #
splatbass Loc: Honolulu
 
I have an A6000, which I love, and a D750 FF. They both take great pictures, but the D750 is much better in low light. That is the biggest performance difference to me.

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Jul 10, 2018 06:52:05   #
tdekany Loc: Oregon
 
kymarto wrote:
All good as long as you shoot from a tripod and nothing in the frame is moving.


That is the reason for hires. Landscape and still life.. although now that the k1 mark2 can be hand held with their implementation of a hi res mode, Olympus has no excuses anymore. So the next new Olympus camera should include it as well.

I put my em5 mark2 tonight on a chair that was not very stable and there was also some breeze which you can see in some of the leafs on the right side.

The second photo looks good but I haven’t really looked yet.

PS: I’m on an iPad Pro and only have two option to upload. Full size or 2048px. This is the small size of course, but you can still zoom in pretty good.


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Jul 10, 2018 08:04:12   #
dsmeltz Loc: Philadelphia
 
shieldsadvert wrote:
I am thinking of buying the Sigma 30mm, 1.4 but for my NEX-6 camera but have heard some problems with the focusing on this lens. Have you experienced this?
Thanks,
Bill


Which one? The "C" or the older version?

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Jul 10, 2018 08:13:43   #
dsmeltz Loc: Philadelphia
 
burkphoto wrote:
Yes, all — ALL — other things being equal, larger sensors will capture more detail than smaller ones of the same design and pixel count.

On a purely practical level, you need to make tests to determine whether a given piece of gear, and/or a given *system*, will meet your needs.

For most of what I do, for instance, Micro 4/3 absolutely suits me best. I record lots of video with important, single-system, onboard audio, and lots of stills. The results are most likely to wind up on smartphones, tablets, computer screens, projection screens, TVs, and video monitors. The results may also be viewed as PDF files, or printed to letter-size documents. I rarely print larger than 20x16 inches.

So full frame dSLR? Not enough AV options. APS-C dSLR? Same. Other mirrorless? Sony could work well, but would mean carrying a heavier and bulkier kit that would yield an insignificant difference in the work I do. And I HATE Sony’s menus.

But... for LANDSCAPES, a full-frame or even a medium-format system would be much better than m4/3 or APS-C, especially if you make large prints (30x20 or 60x40 inches). Even though the “standard” viewing distance for any print is 1x to 1.5x its diagonal dimension, more pixels and more details allow closer inspection. Joe Public probably won’t notice, or care. But the format nazis at your local camera club probably will!
Yes, all — ALL — other things being equal, larger ... (show quote)


However, in real life, all things are never equal. As you point out, a sensor is part of a system and should be evaluated as part of a system for a selected purpose. An APS-C sensor matched with a focusing system matched with a lens to capture a shot at a distance in daylight might yield the best large print. While for landscapes, as you point out, a FF sensor (regardless of AF system since you can get arguably better results manually focusing) during the golden hour would yield a better result. My point being, trying to generalize about sensor size in isolation from the system and goal is sort of pointless.

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Jul 10, 2018 12:44:29   #
imagemeister Loc: mid east Florida
 
dsmeltz wrote:
My point being, trying to generalize about sensor size in isolation from the system and goal is sort of pointless.




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Jul 10, 2018 17:42:35   #
Kencamera
 
Well, I only turned to Roger N. Clark after my own experience and testing showed better results from the APS-C camera. But I am impressed with your confidence. Ken

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Jul 10, 2018 20:07:31   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
dsmeltz wrote:
However, in real life, all things are never equal. As you point out, a sensor is part of a system and should be evaluated as part of a system for a selected purpose. An APS-C sensor matched with a focusing system matched with a lens to capture a shot at a distance in daylight might yield the best large print. While for landscapes, as you point out, a FF sensor (regardless of AF system since you can get arguably better results manually focusing) during the golden hour would yield a better result. My point being, trying to generalize about sensor size in isolation from the system and goal is sort of pointless.
However, in real life, all things are never equal.... (show quote)


Quite true! Let’s all go out and use what we have. Tell your stories, folks!

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Jul 10, 2018 20:26:17   #
selmslie Loc: Fernandina Beach, FL, USA
 
dsmeltz wrote:
... trying to generalize about sensor size in isolation from the system and goal is sort of pointless.

Not entirely pointless.

If you change too many variables at once you will never be able to isolate the contribution made by each.

The proper scientific approach is to change a single variable at a time and consider its effect while keeping all other variables unchanged - controlled.

As you learn how one aspect affects the final image on its own you will be in a better position to understand how the parts combine to make up the whole.

For example, in testing film you can change exposure, development time, agitation, chemistry and developer concentration. You can't isolate the effect of one variable if you change all the others at the same time.

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Jul 12, 2018 07:24:56   #
chrisg-optical Loc: New York, NY
 
Apaflo wrote:
Actually the real "theories and numbers" support exactly what he said! We don't see the real part often on forums such as this, where relatively most people are not all that aware and repeat whatever they have heard.

If you want to print large, or crop extensively, or shoot action in low light... spent money on a full frame body. If you want fine detail, can always work in good light, and never print larger than 16x20... spend money on a crop format.

Of course the nitty gritty details are subject to endless nonsense arguments claiming otherwise!
Actually the real "theories and numbers"... (show quote)


Those are exactly the reasons I went with a crop sensor (D7200)...also looked at hundreds and hundreds of digital images taken by others from D6xx and D7xx cameras with high end lenses and was not impressed with the difference - in most cases could not tell or the detail on the crop looked way better to me. The D8xx series, now that's another story - especially love the D850 from images I've seen. I like shooting in bright light mostly (daylight shooter or flash/led) so high ISO performance is not critical for me. I would rarely print larger than 8x10 let alone 16x20 (no Times Square jumbotrons for me!). For me FF is a "want" rather than a "need" - but eventually GAS will get the better of me - eventually D850, Sony A7 series, or I might go M43 OM-D M1 or the rumored Nikon Z mount ML.

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Jul 12, 2018 07:45:06   #
Cdouthitt Loc: Traverse City, MI
 
Jerrin1 wrote:
Up until about a month ago I had been using APS-C and M43 cameras side by side for a number of years. It is my experience that both formats produce excellent results and most of the time are easily comparable with full format. I owned 2 x Canon 70D, a Canon 7D mark II, a Nikon D500, 2 x Olympus EM1 and an Olympus EM1 mark II. As someone who almost exclusively shoots wildlife I found the crop factors for APS-C and M43 a decided advantage. I always used full frame lenses with my APS-C cameras and Pro lenses with my M43 cameras. I recently swapped my D500 and EM1.2 systems for a full frame Sony A7III and Sony lenses - I won't bore you with the reasons as to why I changed to FF. What I will say is, I do obtain better low light images, especially when using the Sony 100 - 400mm G Master. But when using my Sony 28 - 70mm and Sony 90mm f2.8 macro in good light, I really do not see any difference. To qualify my reply; I confess I only ever view my images via a 55" UHDTV. I feel that I have merely changed formats, I do not consider that I have "moved up" to FF, as some would say.
Up until about a month ago I had been using APS-C ... (show quote)


an honest evaluation...thank you for that, I especially like the "merely changed formats" comment.

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