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Jul 8, 2018 19:28:47   #
JD750 Loc: SoCal
 
Bill_de wrote:
Would you stuff yourself into a camera?

Where do folks with electric cars keep their batteries?



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In their camera bags of course, like everybody else. :)

You mean the car batteries? That is a completely different system, designed for the automative temperature range. Camera batteries are not designed for the automotive temperature range.

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Jul 8, 2018 19:34:32   #
JD750 Loc: SoCal
 
If for no other reason, you don't want to keep spare camera batteries in the glove box of your car in the heat because battery self discharge rate is temperature dependent. They will run down much faster while being stored at higher temperature. If they have been in the car for a while, they might only have 50% or less charge left on them.

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Jul 9, 2018 06:31:48   #
billnikon Loc: Pennsylvania/Ohio/Florida/Maui/Oregon/Vermont
 
NormanTheGr8 wrote:
Although as a general rule I don't leave the camera in the truck because of the Heat in the summer I do have 1 or 2 backup batteries in the glove box. Should I be worried about these or not really?


Today's camera batteries are designed to be used in extreme weather conditions. That said it is not a good idea to store batteries for very long in extreme conditions. Batteries for example in the trunk of the car are at a greater rick then say batteries left on the back seat floor. As long as it is not over an extended time period I would say your OK.

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Jul 9, 2018 06:48:32   #
NormanTheGr8 Loc: Racine, Wisconsin
 
Tom DePuy wrote:
Would you leave your self in the car....I hope no...
Then why would leave the batteries in the car...


I like having a spare charged up in the truck for emergencies or when I discover I forgot to take the one out of the charger and put it back in the camera before I left the house

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Jul 9, 2018 06:49:26   #
Silverman Loc: Michigan
 
I would say YES, worry, High heat is said to be an enemy of Batteries, and in a closed car or truck the heat does become very high, as you must already be aware, so DO NOT store any batteries inside your car, especially in the very hot summer weather.

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Jul 9, 2018 06:52:33   #
mborn Loc: Massachusetts
 
I carry a spare battery in my pants pocket

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Jul 9, 2018 07:28:51   #
lamiaceae Loc: San Luis Obispo County, CA
 
NormanTheGr8 wrote:
Although as a general rule I don't leave the camera in the truck because of the Heat in the summer I do have 1 or 2 backup batteries in the glove box. Should I be worried about these or not really?


Look at it this way, if they were to explode or catch fire you might lose a lot more than a couple batteries. Truck - Ka-boom!

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Jul 9, 2018 08:48:25   #
LFingar Loc: Claverack, NY
 
robertjerl wrote:
At least one air freighter is believed to have gone down because several crates of them in the cargo hold got over heated and burned/exploded.


When and where? I follow the aviation news quite closely and don't remember such an event. Not doubting you. Would just like to know the details.

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Jul 9, 2018 09:00:14   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
Tom DePuy wrote:
Would you leave your self in the car....I hope no...
Then why would leave the batteries in the car...



That must be the worst type of apples to oranges I have ever heard. Congratulations on some type of prize.

Dennis

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Jul 9, 2018 09:54:36   #
BrianFlaherty Loc: Wilseyville, CA
 
As a rule I do NOT store a camera in the car. . However, whenever I do have a camera in the car, I keep it in an ice chest cooler. . .In my Ford van, I have a hard-side Igloo cooler which is "shielded" from direct sunlight; and, is stored under a "false-floor" which I built behind the rear seat.

In my convertible, I have a "soft-sided" cooler in which I usually store an extra jacket and sweater; gloves and hat, etc. The camera is wrapped in the jacket. If I have any food, etc, (for a picnic) I have another cooler in which I put "blue ice" packs. . .And, have on occasion placed the camera when dealing with extreme temp conditions.

Another nice thing about a cooler, is the larger amount of space. . .enough to handle two (or, more) cameras plus lenses. And, it does NOT look like a camera case to anyone peeking into the car. . .And, it has convenient handles and/or wheels for moving it from house to car.

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Jul 9, 2018 10:17:53   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
NormanTheGr8 wrote:
Although as a general rule I don't leave the camera in the truck because of the Heat in the summer I do have 1 or 2 backup batteries in the glove box. Should I be worried about these or not really?


You are shortening their useful life, reducing available charge, and potentially risking fire. The severity depends on the color of your truck, position and construction of the glove box, latitude, weather, etc.

Use Lithium ion batteries below 105F when possible, and store them between 40F and 85F. They’re like people, performing best between 65 and 75 degrees F.

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Jul 9, 2018 11:44:57   #
Diocletian
 
robertjerl wrote:
At least one air freighter is believed to have gone down because several crates of them in the cargo hold got over heated and burned/exploded.


I don't doubt you're right...but doesn't air cargo space get cold when flying at 30k feer?

I wonder how that happened...

Ok so I just looked it up on the internet...it appears that those batteries didn't explode because of outside heat but because they may have been jostled just right -and being fully charged .... and also the fire couldn't be extinguished by the normal airplane fire extinguisher types...

Although the batteries were thought to have caused the crash(es), that was not definitively proven.

International airplane safety rules were set up to require ion batteries to be charged only up to 30% when being transported. So the Obama administration requested that the FAA modify their rules to match. But since the trump administration is all about reversing any and all Obama administration changes, whether they make sense or not, the suggested rule change has been put on hold. So if your plane explodes in midair because batteries are being transported.....oh well...we get what we vote for...

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Jul 9, 2018 12:18:24   #
E.L.. Shapiro Loc: Ottawa, Ontario Canada
 
KIS- Keep it Simple and use common sense.

First of all , DO NOT keep any photographic equipment stored in your car for any extended period. Extreme variations, fluctuations and extremes of temperature, hot and cold, found in all storage compartments and interiors of cars, can cause a myriad of malfunctions in cameras, flash gear and the batteries themselves. We are talking about overheating, freezing, condensation, moisture, and combinations of all of theses perils.

Batteries work on various chemical reactions which are accelerated and decelerated by extreme in temperature.

My experience- For a number of years, I ran a side business of professional electronic flash repair, modification and custom builds. I shared an industrial workspace with a camera repair company. Abused batters were a leading cause of serious damage to themselves and related equipment. It is not very likely that your batteries will explode or burst into flame like a bomb or an incendiary device- although it has been known to have happened! Overheating will usually impair the battery's performance and longevity. Typically, overhead batteries will have diminished ampere/hour capacity so you will get less exposures or flashes per charge. After awhile, they will hold lesser of a charge and finally and prematurely, will not recharge at all.

They seldom explode but overheated batteries will oftentimes begin to leak causing serious damage to cameras and flash gear.

Nowadays, just about everything photographic requires batteries, so it makes sense, financially and safety wise to take protective precautions, monitor battery usage- charge/recharge cycles, keep some records and make certain that your charging gear is of the proper electronic specifications for each type of batteries that you use and in good repair.

Also- regarding spares- if you are shooting somewhere on location and your batteries fail, you don't want to have to return to your car to retrieve your spares- they should be nearby at all times. I have been shooting weddings, events, press coverages and location commercial jobs for years- I wanna have all my backup gear real handy!

True enough, battery technology has advanced over the last number of years but camera and flash batteries are NOT automotive batteries. Batteries in electric and hybrid cars are engineered for the temperature conditions and fluctuations in the engine and battery compartments in theses kinds of vehicles. I am sure there is insulation, heat sinking and ventilation to accommodate them- not found in your camera and speedlights!

I can tell you the stories of damage caused by battery leakage and overheating but I will spare y'all the gory details- how do you spell "irreparable"?... and outrageous repair costs!

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Jul 9, 2018 12:30:16   #
robertjerl Loc: Corona, California
 
LFingar wrote:
When and where? I follow the aviation news quite closely and don't remember such an event. Not doubting you. Would just like to know the details.


Don't remember, read it a long time ago. I am a READER and retired history teacher. I read many books and at one time 14 magazines plus the daily paper. My memory retains bits and pieces and an overall general picture. I do remember that the batteries in the cargo was one of three or four things they were looking at. I seem to recall that it was in the tropics of South Asia. One factor mentioned was improper packaging and storage of the batteries. Of course among the other things mentioned was poor upkeep of the plane and a terrorist bomb. I doubt they ever solved it.

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Jul 9, 2018 12:34:27   #
robertjerl Loc: Corona, California
 
Diocletian wrote:
I don't doubt you're right...but doesn't air cargo space get cold when flying at 30k feer?

I wonder how that happened...

Ok so I just looked it up on the internet...it appears that those batteries didn't explode because of outside heat but because they may have been jostled just right -and being fully charged .... and also the fire couldn't be extinguished by the normal airplane fire extinguisher types...

Although the batteries were thought to have caused the crash(es), that was not definitively proven.

International airplane safety rules were set up to require ion batteries to be charged only up to 30% when being transported. So the Obama administration requested that the FAA modify their rules to match. But since the trump administration is all about reversing any and all Obama administration changes, whether they make sense or not, the suggested rule change has been put on hold. So if your plane explodes in midair because batteries are being transported.....oh well...we get what we vote for...
I don't doubt you're right...but doesn't air cargo... (show quote)


Sounds like the same incident or one like it - I believe they said the batteries were in a pressurized hold. Those are often heated for delicate cargo. The air freighters that haul fresh fruit from So America, NZ etc to the US are all sealed and temp controlled because freezing would ruin the fruit.

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