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Jun 24, 2018 08:44:14   #
Kingman
 
Diocletian wrote:
These things are all set up by computers. Eazy peazy. Import sales tax rates, computer does the calculation.


The small business person may or may not have access to this software but he or she still needs to write all the checks to each taxing agency. This is not small business friendly and a waste of time for a small entrepreneur!

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Jun 24, 2018 09:04:09   #
ole sarg Loc: south florida
 
I live in florida and we have no state income tax and basically support the state with a sales tax. Of course much of that is paid by tourists.

COME ON DOWN!



AndyH wrote:
I haven't read the decision yet, but I think that the logic will likely not be overturned.

I agree completely that the sales tax is the most regressive, both in terms of who pays it and its effect on the economy. Even the poorest really HAVE to purchase stuff, and pay a higher percentage of their income toward it. And the recent tax code changes eliminating its deductibility just make things worse.

On the second point, we are a consumer driven economy, unquestionably. Yacht purchases don't fuel it, and neither do state tax collections. Spending on consumer goods is the great driver of manufacturing and job creation. I'd love to see states move away from a taxation policy that inarguably hurts consumer spending.

It doesn't really matter much personally to me - I live in a state that has no sales tax. I earn my income in another state and pay income tax there, which I am much more comfortable with. And of course, I NEVER make big ticket purchases there if possible. I come home to New Hampshire and buy it there instead, or buy it over the web where I don't (and won't have to in the future) pay it.

Sales taxes are bad business for all, in my opinion.

Andy
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Jun 24, 2018 09:15:58   #
mgoldfield
 
warrior wrote:
Now that the Supreme Court has ruled on Collecting of Sales Tax. Does this mean If I purchase a item from a state that has a lower rate than mine collects my state rate?


While this issue may be of concern to many participants, it really has nothing to do with photography: not equipment, not usage, not technique!

Any argument or concern should be directed at the states that enact sales tax laws.

This forum can be very useful, but so many of the topics raised are often repetitive or absurd.

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Jun 24, 2018 09:24:38   #
mikegreenwald Loc: Illinois
 
I don't agree with most of the replies.
The local camera stores have largely disappeared, entirely because they can't compete with tax and free shipping from
the big-box stores in NY and elsewhere, and of course Amazon. (Don't discount the effect of smartphones though).
I for one would pay the sales tax in exchange for superior hands-on local service, though I'm not at all certain it will
bring back most of the local shops.

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Jun 24, 2018 09:26:16   #
Jakebrake Loc: Broomfield, Colorado
 
Ho hum, we all knew this was coming regardless of how it will be implemented. Government will tax everything it possibly can to generate more revenue for them to waste. Will it change my spending habits? Nope. When GAS hits me, 'damn the torpedo's', and I'll eat the sales tax.

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Jun 24, 2018 09:42:30   #
Satman Loc: Indy
 
Churches, Schools, and all non profit including political organization buy tax exempt.

Stick it to the working man, and make sure the retailer keeps good records, they will be audited..

Government is often the problem not the solution

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Jun 24, 2018 09:57:53   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
anotherview wrote:
On first view, this opinion makes sense..


It would be interesting to see how all this extra money is spent by the states. It will certainly be a windfall. It will probably be something like lottery money going to the schools.

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Jun 24, 2018 10:13:07   #
d3200prime
 
olemikey wrote:
Sales tax should never be more than a one time thing for any item bought new - folks buying used items (of any type) should never have to pay tax - that happened the first time the item was sold. What we are really being hit with is taxation of "transactions". I have never felt that was right. If I buy a new item from a "no sale tax" state, I should not be charged tax regardless of where I live.


I agree. Each state charges sales tax to be used exclusively for that state's purposes for sales taxes. It's simple for me. If I purchase an item over the internet from a state which has no state sales tax base then I would not expect to be charged sales tax on that item. The fact the item is being sent to a state that taxes such items has absolutely no bearing on that transaction. Conversely, if I purchased an item over the internet from a state that charges sales tax then I would expect that states sales tax to be figured into the transaction. This is only right.

Concerning used items: If a person operates a for-profit business selling used goods then why would you believe that person should be exempt from charging sales tax?

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Jun 24, 2018 10:16:19   #
Screamin Scott Loc: Marshfield Wi, Baltimore Md, now Dallas Ga
 
Bill_de wrote:
It was never the business that was being taxed, it was the consumer. The business is just collecting it and passing it on. As we have seen in this thread alone, if it was left up to the consumer the state would never get a lot of what was owed.

Years back, in NY, sales tax was submitted quarterly. The business was allowed to hold the money in an interest bearing account. The interest was supposed to be a token payment for doing the work. I believe it was in the '70s they switched payments to monthly if sales exceeded a certain amount.

States have the right to tax. The Supreme Court just confirmed that taxing out of state sales did not violate the Constitution. At the root of it all, the Constitution should be the basis for all their decisions.

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True that it was the consumer being taxed and it still is, it's just that now it's the seller who is responsible for collecting the taxes & paying the state as opposed to the consumer declaring & paying the tax.

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Jun 24, 2018 10:16:25   #
BobHartung Loc: Bettendorf, IA
 
Diocletian wrote:
These things are all set up by computers. Eazy peazy. Import sales tax rates, computer does the calculation.


If they restrict the sales taxes to state sales tax I can agree with "easy peavy". However there are a bewildering array of county and city sales taxes that are moving targets. How small are they going to make the jurisdictions is anyone's guess.

I would guess that an automated system would require a set of sales taxes for each zip code. This would be an upkeep nightmare.

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Jun 24, 2018 10:17:41   #
Screamin Scott Loc: Marshfield Wi, Baltimore Md, now Dallas Ga
 
I'm sure it will be squandered just like all other monies they collect...
jerryc41 wrote:
It would be interesting to see how all this extra money is spent by the states. It will certainly be a windfall. It will probably be something like lottery money going to the schools.

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Jun 24, 2018 10:20:37   #
xt2 Loc: British Columbia, Canada
 
Bazbo wrote:
SCOTUS addressed that very point. Read the opinion.



I never thought that the role of the SCOTUS and government was to "level" the playing field... Sales tax regulation, in my opinion, will not "level" much of anything, however, it is in keeping with the recent social trend to redistribute your hard earned wealth to wherever the government wishes.

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Jun 24, 2018 10:21:53   #
Screamin Scott Loc: Marshfield Wi, Baltimore Md, now Dallas Ga
 
That's fine if the employees at those local stores are knowledgeable but I've found over the years that most are not. Many employees are paid low wages & reply on spiffs or commisions, they will try to steer the buyer to products that enhance their earnings. Say what you want about local stores but the vast majority of them went out of business because of failed business models. thus
mikegreenwald wrote:
I don't agree with most of the replies.
The local camera stores have largely disappeared, entirely because they can't compete with tax and free shipping from
the big-box stores in NY and elsewhere, and of course Amazon. (Don't discount the effect of smartphones though).
I for one would pay the sales tax in exchange for superior hands-on local service, though I'm not at all certain it will
bring back most of the local shops.

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Jun 24, 2018 10:22:43   #
NCMtnMan Loc: N. Fork New River, Ashe Co., NC
 
d3200prime wrote:
I agree. Each state charges sales tax to be used exclusively for that state's purposes for sales taxes. It's simple for me. If I purchase an item over the internet from a state which has no state sales tax base then I would not expect to be charged sales tax on that item. The fact the item is being sent to a state that taxes such items has absolutely no bearing on that transaction. Conversely, if I purchased an item over the internet from a state that charges sales tax then I would expect that states sales tax to be figured into the transaction. This is only right.

Concerning used items: If a person operates a for-profit business selling used goods then why would you believe that person should be exempt from charging sales tax?
I agree. Each state charges sales tax to be used e... (show quote)


The laws are written such that the sales tax that is applicable is determined by the location where the product or service is delivered. Believe me it is a pain in the you know what for a business to have to figure all of that out.

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Jun 24, 2018 10:33:23   #
papa Loc: Rio Dell, CA
 
Just looking at it from a business stand point where huge corporations run at 1.5-2% profit there's a base principle for government to be able to do the same. There's been a 2% flat tax political movement for decades, but who cares. If that was the law instead of the 43% tax overall, then the government would not be able to spend over half of the federal budget on the war machine and our country's population might receive the necessities of life. Nah, it's not insane to keep feeding the paper dinosaur out of fear, or is it?

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