CanonJC

I don't believe Jolly1's stated at all. If it is true, he should be over 90 years old or RIP by now. I read many his stated, he is fully bluffed!

DennisK Loc: Pickle City,Illinois

There's nothing in the 2nd that prohibits machine guns either.See what I mean? And the government doesn't know how many or what kind of guns you have when you get a hunting license.
You can't win this argument/discussion with me.I have studied and researched this amendment more than anything in my life.Sorry.
I'm just trying to educate people and change hearts and minds.

DEBJENROB Loc: DELRAY BEACH FL

I think you should research The National Firearms Act of 1934 .... which has been held by the Supreme Court as Constitutional ... it prohibits the posession of what we call a machine gun ....

jolly1

Never stated that I was an authority because of my stay. I merely said that I was there. Later that time reinforced what I learned in school, in government service, and in educational reading for pleasure. I've always been interested in the subject because of my having been there. I assume that your total knowledge of the subject is just enough to argue with anyone
who makes you feel like an idiot.
I would say that you have not read anything, by anybody, on this matter until most recently.
What gun registration existed in Germany before Hitler was not enforced to any noticable degree. That is the reason that one of Hitler's first official actions was to decree that all firearms of any type, be surrendered to the authorities immediately. Prison was the answer to any disobedience.
And how old were you, little man, during the period in question?Yes, I was too young to understand the political and economic
dynamics in pre-WWII Germany, but I did experience them, and that leaves a lasting impression on a young person.
You read, possibly, such things from books, I lived them. I will stand my experiences and later knowledge up against anything you can possibly come up with.

DEBJENROB Loc: DELRAY BEACH FL

[quote=DennisK]

There's nothing in the 2nd that prohibits machine guns either.See what I mean? And the government doesn't know how many or what kind of guns you have when you get a hunting license.
You can't win this argument/discussion with me.I have studied and researched this amendment more than anything in my life.Sorry.
I'm just trying to educate people and change hearts and minds.[/

As to winning this exchange .... I nor anyone else could ever change your mind .... you cite points that are irrelevent to the discussion and introduce statements that support the position of those you disagree with .... why would it matter as to what type of gun you own when you apply for a hunting license ... having a hunting license suggests you own a gun ... why would it matter ... what kind of gun ...I have not heard Wayne LaPierre argue against hunting licenses as an infringement on Seconf Amendment protection ... and I don't see anything in the text of the Second Amendment that prohibits a felon from owning a firearm ... but a felon can not ....

DEBJENROB Loc: DELRAY BEACH FL

Why would you refer to me as "little man" ... you know nothing about me ... how tall, what I did to earn a living ... what I did when I was in the military .... you presume that I am anti gun ... when in fact ... I have probably owned more guns at any one time than you .... to continue this discussion is pointless ....

DennisK Loc: Pickle City,Illinois

It is still not in the 2nd Amendment.And besides,you are wrong about that too.Many people own fully automatic rifles....LEGALLY!

jolly1

Why would you say that my stay in Germany did not make me an authority. You don't know. You don't have a clue as to how old I was in those days, but you talked as though you did.
You "think" that you have owned more guns at any one time than I.
What you did in the military is of no interest to me. Since you mentioned it as a defense, I assume that you were a latrine
orderly during your tour.
Yep, for you to carry on any further discussion with anyone on this site is pointless. You've argued with everyone who was nice enough to acknowledge your presence, so there is little purpose in you attempting to continue. You're all burned out.
Bye bye.

RixPix Loc: Miami, Florida

If you stay east of the train tracks you should be okay. :)

RixPix Loc: Miami, Florida

Jolly is really old...I think he's a WWII vet so don't get him all riled up or we'll have to change the Depends again.

I doesn't matter who has the most guns or even the biggest gun...it does matter what you do with it.

Phreedom Loc: Kitchener, Ontario, Canada

Discussion of this topic is degenerating, as usual and will have no effect on the November 6 outcome. If you wish to convince someone of the truth of your point of view, than reasoned and supportable facts are your best bet. Let's skip the personal insults. You might not convince them but that is also part of their freedoms.

The 2nd ammendment: "A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."

-A well regulated militia is a trained and controlled citizen army... period.
-The right of the people to keep and bear arms is all inclusive and does not specify any exceptions. The Republic wanted citizens to be armed.
-Registration of arms is not mentioned nor is the posession of personal arms necessary for inclusion in a militia. But I assume arms would be provided to those not having them.
-Hunting licenses do NOT infringe the 2nd as they do not hinder ownership but they do regulate usage. Even in the wild west many towns had ordinances that made it illegal to carry guns while in the town.

Hitler did impose gun ownership regulations but only on a select part of the German populace.

"The Night of the Broken Glass (Kristallnacht)--the infamous Nazi rampage against Germany's Jews--took place in November 1938. It was preceded by the confiscation of firearms from the Jewish victims. On Nov. 8, the New York Times reported from Berlin, "Berlin Police Head Announces 'Disarming' of Jews," explaining:
The Berlin Police President, Count Wolf Heinrich von Helldorf, announced that as a result of a police activity in the last few weeks the entire Jewish population of Berlin had been "disarmed" with the confiscation of 2,569 hand weapons, 1,702 firearms and 20,000 rounds of ammunition. Any Jews still found in possession of weapons without valid licenses are threatened with the severest punishment."

From this, we see that disarming a people is a necessary step in disempowering and subjugating them.

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

Isn't that beautiful? Isn't that worth preserving?

jolly1

If you are going to comment on something, even things you know nothing about, please try to write just one sentence that makes sense. Actually, your believing, or not believing, is of no real concern or interest to me. Your math leaves much to be desired, just as your construction of written thoughts.

dtcracer

That was completely uncalled for. You have a problem with someone being more knowledgable than you on a topic, so you resort to insulting them? That is really childish, and you do not belong on this forum if that is how you are going to act.

Phreedom Loc: Kitchener, Ontario, Canada

jolly1, english is not the first (birth) language for some of us.
(What an openning for a gag! But I'll fight it.) :XD:

jolly1

Not to worry, dtcraceer, I didn't take it as an insult. Some times I feel old myself. I don't know that I am any more knowledgable than anyone here. We all have different experiences, different views, different beliefs. Some here like to brag about how much they know, but it all turns out that they are copying something out of a book some where. Nothing wrong with that either. In doing so they learn something they hadn't known before. That's to the good.