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Jul 24, 2012 13:32:50   #
coco1964 Loc: Winsted Mn
 
A bit off subject but I like the photo you have if you would have moved the flowers to the right so you would follow the rule of 3rds and focused properly. I like the old rusty machinery in the background and out of focus. That being said if you want to get the bee follow above instructions and get in there with them---they seldom bite if not provoked......



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Jul 24, 2012 15:59:02   #
gstephens3 Loc: Northwest Georgia
 
Al FR-153 wrote:
gstephens3 wrote:
Gary Truchelut wrote:
If you couldn't get very close to the bee for fear of trespassing, then a 100mm macro probably would not have given you what you wanted either. The small subject would have been too far away. In this case a longer zoom like 70-200 or 100-400 would have worked better. With the macro you would have needed to be much closer to the subject, like 12-15 inches or so.


So if I am at least 20 feet away, what macro length should I invest in?


Beautiful - and informative. Thank you. This is what I want to do. Did you use flash?

Gina, I hope I don't sound harsh here, but you are in need of a 'concept adjustment'. To shoot a bee with a macro lens, you will need to be INCHES from it, not feet. I have a 100mm macro (Canon L) and can tell you to get a good photo of a bee, I was a little over a foot away. Then, when you catch a good photo, you can crop it even closer.

If you want to catch shots of bees, you have to get in there with them. Easier said than done, if you are allergic to bee sting.
quote=gstephens3 quote=Gary Truchelut If you cou... (show quote)

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Jul 24, 2012 16:07:34   #
gstephens3 Loc: Northwest Georgia
 
tainkc wrote:
Let's see if I may be of some help. Here I have posted 2 photos. Neither one was done with a macro lens. The first one was shot the other day with a 28mm wide angle prime lens (no zoom). I was about 2ft. away and no trespassing issues since it was my yard.

The 2nd photo was taken a bit earlier using a 200mm zoom at about 10 ft. away. Both of these photos were enlarged and cropped in photoshop.

The others are right. At 20 ft., even with a 300mm lens which I also have, it would be near impossible to enlarge a photo such as these to this size.

I also have a 30mm macro which I rarely use because it has such a shallow depth of field that it is very difficult to get even a bee entirely in focus. A 100mm macro lens would be a much better choice. The funny thing about the 30mm macro is that it takes great landscape pictures even though everything is flat! Lol. But to a person who knows nothing about photography, the pictures look great!

Now then, I shot both of these pictures in manual mode and I used spot metering.

What I am trying to show here is that you can take a decent close up photo with any lens. You just need to be at a proper focal length as you have found out by now. It just takes practice.
Let's see if I may be of some help. Here I have p... (show quote)


Up close and personal it is, so a trespassing I will go....wonder if any UHH members will post my bail??? Do you have high quality lenses that you took these pictures with? I am trying to determine if that will make a difference. I know that technically I have things I need to change/improve but am wondering if better glass might help me get more detail.

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Jul 24, 2012 16:10:48   #
gstephens3 Loc: Northwest Georgia
 
coco1964 wrote:
A bit off subject but I like the photo you have if you would have moved the flowers to the right so you would follow the rule of 3rds and focused properly. I like the old rusty machinery in the background and out of focus. That being said if you want to get the bee follow above instructions and get in there with them---they seldom bite if not provoked......


Thanks. These folks had a beautiful yard and I just couldn't do it justice. I may go back and try again. Maybe I can catch them outside and ask permission so I can get at the correct angle and try some of the shots again. Then if I can get the bee to stand still too...

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Jul 24, 2012 16:27:37   #
tainkc Loc: Kansas City
 
gstephens3 wrote:
coco1964 wrote:
A bit off subject but I like the photo you have if you would have moved the flowers to the right so you would follow the rule of 3rds and focused properly. I like the old rusty machinery in the background and out of focus. That being said if you want to get the bee follow above instructions and get in there with them---they seldom bite if not provoked......


Thanks. These folks had a beautiful yard and I just couldn't do it justice. I may go back and try again. Maybe I can catch them outside and ask permission so I can get at the correct angle and try some of the shots again. Then if I can get the bee to stand still too...
quote=coco1964 A bit off subject but I like the p... (show quote)


Yes, we will post your bail. Yeah, right. Lol. Seriously. I shoot with a Sony a580 dslr. This means that I can use Minolta lenses. The 28mm prime is a Minolta. I paid $30.00 for it, used. It is an excellent lens. The 200mm zoom is just a kit lens that was bundled with a previous camera purchase. I came to find out that Sony kit lenses are not all that bad! From what I understand and what I have seen, Tamron lenses on your 7d produce pretty good results. This can save you a few dollars.

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Jul 24, 2012 16:45:16   #
eskiles Loc: Palmer Alaska
 
Tripod/Monopod, is the wind blowing the flowers? What is your ISO? All are reasons for blurry photos. Get as close as you can wait for no wind use remote get your camera as stable as possible.

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Jul 24, 2012 17:00:19   #
gstephens3 Loc: Northwest Georgia
 
eskiles wrote:
Tripod/Monopod, is the wind blowing the flowers? What is your ISO? All are reasons for blurry photos. Get as close as you can wait for no wind use remote get your camera as stable as possible.

No tripod or monopod - learning to use my tripod. Hopefully that will help. I don't think there was wind but I was trying not to slide down hill so I was not steady. Guess that may be the reason for the blur. Thanks for the tips. Will work on steadying the camera and will pay attention to ISO.

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Jul 24, 2012 17:59:19   #
ggttc Loc: TN
 
[







That is a nice shot

Gina, I hope I don't sound harsh here, but you are in need of a 'concept adjustment'. To shoot a bee with a macro lens, you will need to be INCHES from it, not feet. I have a 100mm macro (Canon L) and can tell you to get a good photo of a bee, I was a little over a foot away. Then, when you catch a good photo, you can crop it even closer.

If you want to catch shots of bees, [b]you have to get in there with them[/b]. Easier said than done, if you are allergic to bee sting.[/quote]

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Jul 24, 2012 18:11:52   #
ggiaphotos Loc: Iowa
 
tainkc wrote:
Let's see if I may be of some help. Here I have posted 2 photos. Neither one was done with a macro lens. The first one was shot the other day with a 28mm wide angle prime lens (no zoom). I was about 2ft. away and no trespassing issues since it was my yard.

The 2nd photo was taken a bit earlier using a 200mm zoom at about 10 ft. away. Both of these photos were enlarged and cropped in photoshop.

The others are right. At 20 ft., even with a 300mm lens which I also have, it would be near impossible to enlarge a photo such as these to this size.

I also have a 30mm macro which I rarely use because it has such a shallow depth of field that it is very difficult to get even a bee entirely in focus. A 100mm macro lens would be a much better choice. The funny thing about the 30mm macro is that it takes great landscape pictures even though everything is flat! Lol. But to a person who knows nothing about photography, the pictures look great!

Now then, I shot both of these pictures in manual mode and I used spot metering.

What I am trying to show here is that you can take a decent close up photo with any lens. You just need to be at a proper focal length as you have found out by now. It just takes practice.
Let's see if I may be of some help. Here I have p... (show quote)


Super nice pix and a great explanation to go with it :thumbup:

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Jul 24, 2012 18:16:33   #
eskiles Loc: Palmer Alaska
 
Here are a few with Canon rebel and kit lenses. Take your time and be steady. By the way all handheld.







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Jul 24, 2012 19:25:22   #
tainkc Loc: Kansas City
 
ggiaphotos wrote:
tainkc wrote:
Let's see if I may be of some help. Here I have posted 2 photos. Neither one was done with a macro lens. The first one was shot the other day with a 28mm wide angle prime lens (no zoom). I was about 2ft. away and no trespassing issues since it was my yard.

The 2nd photo was taken a bit earlier using a 200mm zoom at about 10 ft. away. Both of these photos were enlarged and cropped in photoshop.

The others are right. At 20 ft., even with a 300mm lens which I also have, it would be near impossible to enlarge a photo such as these to this size.

I also have a 30mm macro which I rarely use because it has such a shallow depth of field that it is very difficult to get even a bee entirely in focus. A 100mm macro lens would be a much better choice. The funny thing about the 30mm macro is that it takes great landscape pictures even though everything is flat! Lol. But to a person who knows nothing about photography, the pictures look great!

Now then, I shot both of these pictures in manual mode and I used spot metering.

What I am trying to show here is that you can take a decent close up photo with any lens. You just need to be at a proper focal length as you have found out by now. It just takes practice.
Let's see if I may be of some help. Here I have p... (show quote)


Super nice pix and a great explanation to go with it :thumbup:
quote=tainkc Let's see if I may be of some help. ... (show quote)
Thanks. What I find amazing is that even though I still have a lot to learn, I am now able to give back a little. Feels good.

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Jul 24, 2012 20:07:46   #
jveau Loc: Bellevue, Wa.
 
I agree :)

coco1964 wrote:
A bit off subject but I like the photo you have if you would have moved the flowers to the right so you would follow the rule of 3rds and focused properly. I like the old rusty machinery in the background and out of focus. That being said if you want to get the bee follow above instructions and get in there with them---they seldom bite if not provoked......

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Jul 24, 2012 21:28:25   #
sudzmonn Loc: here , there , everywhere
 
very good information , smart answers

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Jul 25, 2012 09:49:07   #
acellis Loc: Charleston, SC
 
IMHO, 2 cents worth, et. al., I actually like the elements. The flowers draw you in to the "plow" or whatever is in the background and the blur is good. I think the missing compositional element is to add an angle [or really stopped down on the apreture to get a deep DOF] and it would have been a storytelling picture. Of course this is NOT what you set out to do but I think you stumbled into something.

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Jul 25, 2012 13:04:51   #
gstephens3 Loc: Northwest Georgia
 
The photos from other photographers have more of the close up details I want. Maybe I can get up close and personal to get the shot of beeyou and flowerI and still get the blur of farm equipment. Now if I just don't get shot! I can see the headlines now....

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