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May 23, 2018 11:36:08   #
BebuLamar
 
srt101fan wrote:
I agree with you on the merits of M+Auto ISO. But remember that the OP is asking about "Full Manual". M+Auto ISO is not Full Manual..... but it's great, isn't it?


Actually I use manual often and also use A mode with auto ISO but never use manual with auto ISO. In fact when I switch to manual I have to switch auto ISO off. Otherwise I can't set the exposure my way.

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May 23, 2018 11:44:19   #
Bill_de Loc: US
 
Just keep in mind that the poll did not ask if you always, or even mostly use manual. Many of those who said Aye "might" have had to think a bit to remember when they last used it. As Steve said, it is one tool among many.

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May 23, 2018 11:45:15   #
srt101fan
 
Wellhiem wrote:
There's probably no good reason to shoot manual if you're just going to match your light meter. Most of the time I use Aperture Priority because that was the first non-manual mode I had in the days of film. When I want to move away from the meter reading, I use manual because it's easier to change aperture or shutter speed than it is to set exposure compensation.


Thank you for a very clear and concise summation of the issue! (at least in my humble opinion....)

Your response should be posted in caps as the first post everytime this issue comes up!

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May 23, 2018 11:50:53   #
srt101fan
 
BebuLamar wrote:
Actually I use manual often and also use A mode with auto ISO but never use manual with auto ISO. In fact when I switch to manual I have to switch auto ISO off. Otherwise I can't set the exposure my way.


Interesting you use A+Auto ISO...

I read somewhere that you should avoid letting the camera set two of the exposure factors. With M+Auto ISO I know what the camera is doing; with A+Auto ISO I'm not sure I would....

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May 23, 2018 11:52:21   #
srt101fan
 
Cany143 wrote:
A fair amount of what I shoot is intended to be made into multi-shot stitched panoramas. Full manual is necessary to maintain a consistent exposure across multiple frames.


Good point!

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May 23, 2018 12:11:25   #
rook2c4 Loc: Philadelphia, PA USA
 
My thoughts on using manual exposure:

If all you are ever doing is dialing in an aperture/shutter combination to match "0" on the exposure meter scale in manual mode, you may as well use one of the priority modes instead, as it will not only yield the exact same results, but will also be faster to execute. Faster equals more efficient, and possibly fewer shots missed too.

However, if the situation calls for frequent exposure compensation adjustments, shooting in manual mode can indeed be the more efficient approach, especially if your camera does not have a designated exposure compensation control button/dial that can be easily accessed while shooting in priority mode.

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May 23, 2018 12:19:22   #
TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC
 
Steve Perry wrote:
Manual mode is just another tool in the toolbox. I use M + Auto ISO ( + exp comp) much of the time (this is technically an autoexposure mode since the camera uses the ISO to maintain image brightness). However, there are times I use full manual too. It depends on the circumstance. As long as you understand how your meter actually works (which in my experience really only applies to less than half of the manual mode shooters out there - sorry), you can use this rule of thumb much of the time:

For scenes with varying light levels but constant tonality, an autoexposure mode is often best (even if you have to use it with exposure comp). For scenes with constant light but varying tonalities, then full manual mode is best.

And if that rule doesn't make sense, then you may be one of the people I mentioned who really don't understand the meter works
Manual mode is just another tool in the toolbox. I... (show quote)


👍👍. I typically default to manual shutter speed (to freeze motion), manual aperture (to control DOF), and let auto ISO control the ISO. However, I shoot full manual with flash (because I don’t like the defaults with auto ISO and ETTL) or when the subject (think snow scenes) requires it because my particular body does not allow EC with auto ISO. Now if I were shooting a camera with limited high ISO/low noise performance, I might want more control over ISO.

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May 23, 2018 12:29:43   #
BebuLamar
 
srt101fan wrote:
Interesting you use A+Auto ISO...

I read somewhere that you should avoid letting the camera set two of the exposure factors. With M+Auto ISO I know what the camera is doing; with A+Auto ISO I'm not sure I would....


I wouldn't use it unless I know exactly what it's supposed to do. I often use the 24-85mm lens and set my aperture at f/8.0. Minimum ISO 100 and maximum ISO 12,800. I normally shoot object not moving too fast so motion isn't much of a problem.
1. Under the brightest condition I likely to encounter which is "Sunny 16" or LV 14.7 the camera would use ISO 100 and 1/400 shutter speed.
2 As the light gets dimmer to about LV 12.7 the shutter speed is 1/100.
3. The camera by default observes the 1/focal length rule so if I set the zoom to 85mm and the light get dimmer it would increase the ISO. With the zoom set to 24mm it would stay at ISO 100 until the shutter speed gets down to 1/25 which is LV 10.7 before starting to increase the ISO.
4. If the light gets any lower then it simply increases the ISO up to ISO 12,800.
5. At 1/100, f/8.0, ISO 12,800 it's LV 5.7 and it's quite dark. If I zoom to 24mm the shutter speed went down to 1/25 and at 1/25, f/8.0 and ISO 12,800 it's EV 3.7 and the scene will look brighter in the pictures than in real life.

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May 23, 2018 12:29:44   #
srt101fan
 
rook2c4 wrote:
My thoughts on using manual exposure:

If all you are ever doing is dialing in an aperture/shutter combination to match "0" on the exposure meter scale in manual mode, you may as well use one of the priority modes instead, as it will not only yield the exact same results, but will also be faster to execute. Faster equals more efficient, and possibly fewer shots missed too.

However, if the situation calls for frequent exposure compensation adjustments, shooting in manual mode can indeed be the more efficient approach, especially if your camera does not have a designated exposure compensation control button/dial that can be easily accessed while shooting in priority mode.
My thoughts on using manual exposure: br br If al... (show quote)


Another great response!

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May 23, 2018 12:32:45   #
srt101fan
 
BebuLamar wrote:
I wouldn't use it unless I know exactly what it's supposed to do. I often use the 24-85mm lens and set my aperture at f/8.0. Minimum ISO 100 and maximum ISO 12,800. I normally shoot object not moving too fast so motion isn't much of a problem.
1. Under the brightest condition I likely to encounter which is "Sunny 16" or LV 14.7 the camera would use ISO 100 and 1/400 shutter speed.
2 As the light gets dimmer to about LV 12.7 the shutter speed is 1/100.
3. The camera by default observes the 1/focal length rule so if I set the zoom to 85mm and the light get dimmer it would increase the ISO. With the zoom set to 24mm it would stay at ISO 100 until the shutter speed gets down to 1/25 which is LV 10.7 before starting to increase the ISO.
4. If the light gets any lower then it simply increases the ISO up to ISO 12,800.
5. At 1/100, f/8.0, ISO 12,800 it's LV 5.7 and it's quite dark. If I zoom to 24mm the shutter speed went down to 1/25 and at 1/25, f/8.0 and ISO 12,800 it's EV 3.7 and the scene will look brighter in the pictures than in real life.
I wouldn't use it unless I know exactly what it's ... (show quote)


Thanks for clarifying. Interesting approach.

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May 23, 2018 12:37:15   #
stormrunner Loc: Roy, Utah
 
I guess I am old school. I do not like the camera making all of my decisions. Manual mode, manual ISO. I may take a photo and then tweak it by moving shutter or aperture or ISO to what I like.
I don't like to photo shop unless I really need to or HDR or Bracket.

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May 23, 2018 12:39:59   #
stormrunner Loc: Roy, Utah
 
It depends on what I am shooting. If it is animals, I use aperture mode always and check shutter speed and ISO. Landscapes and portraits I usually using Manual Mode

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May 23, 2018 12:51:20   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
The Digital Photography School happened to send this today "How to Understand Your Camera’s Light Meter and Get the Exposure You Want"
https://digital-photography-school.com/understand-camera-light-meter-desired-exposure/

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May 23, 2018 13:12:33   #
speters Loc: Grangeville/Idaho
 
cameraf4 wrote:
Now that Chaostrain's poll has been out there a few days, and we have learned that "about" 8-out-of-every-10 Hogs set their camera exposure controls manually, I'm just curious (as Chaostrain was originally) as to "why?" The vast majority of Hogs seem to have/use modern cameras that come with a whole lot more Bells-and-Whistles than my trusty Nikon FM did. It sure seems like the vast majority do "some amount" of computer post-processing on their images, so we must admit that they have no fear/distrust of technology. If they/we follow the recommendation of the on-board light meter in setting the camera's controls, then why restrict ourselves to the "stepped" shutter speeds available in our cameras rather than setting the aperture and letting the camera set "what should be" a more accurate stepless shutter speed to get as close as possible to "optimal exposure?"

Digital photography isn't like shooting "unforgiving chromes" was. But every book/article that I have read on the subject still recommends that we get the digital exposure as close as possible to our optimum. And, granted, tweeking expose of images in PP is one of the easiest things one can do in photography today. So I'm sure that there must be a logical reason to shoot "Full Manual." I just was wondering if someone could articulate for me what that/those reason/s might be as opposed to using Aperture Priority where we still set everything ourselves except the proper "stepless" shutter speed that we cannot manually set.
Now that Chaostrain's poll has been out there a f... (show quote)

Its not like you said, one does not restrict oneself, but rather get away from any kind of restrictions by choosing manual!

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May 23, 2018 13:30:29   #
Dennis Duffy
 
I use manual settings with auto focus most of the time, and other times full auto (including focus). If light levels are low, the camera can struggle to grab focus, and I can just do it faster manually. Other times I use it when grabbing a variety of different shots within the same setting, like shooting details at a wedding.

Using manual settings allows you to be more creative than just shooting everything in auto, although there are rare times I do scroll over to full auto.

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