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May 23, 2018 09:48:42   #
Rongnongno Loc: FL
 
clickety wrote:
Help. I don't understand the terms "stepped" and "steppless" with regards to shutter speed, are there more choices available in an auto setting than manual?

On all my cameras if shooting at 1/100 my next fastest STEP is 1/125 then 1/160 then 1/200 etc. these numbers remain the same whether in manual or any of the automatic settings. What am I missing?

Step-less simply mean there is no 'stop'. 1/100 adjustment can be 1/110 vs 1/125. Think of stairs changed onto a steep incline. This is available only through a camera (You can cannot turn on or off). Step-less is usually associated with aperture and/or ISO.

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May 23, 2018 09:54:50   #
davidrb Loc: Half way there on the 45th Parallel
 
Steve Perry wrote:
Manual mode is just another tool in the toolbox. I use M + Auto ISO ( + exp comp) much of the time (this is technically an autoexposure mode since the camera uses the ISO to maintain image brightness). However, there are times I use full manual too. It depends on the circumstance. As long as you understand how your meter actually works (which in my experience really only applies to less than half of the manual mode shooters out there - sorry), you can use this rule of thumb much of the time:

For scenes with varying light levels but constant tonality, an autoexposure mode is often best (even if you have to use it with exposure comp). For scenes with constant light but varying tonalities, then full manual mode is best.

And if that rule doesn't make sense, then you may be one of the people I mentioned who really don't understand the meter works
Manual mode is just another tool in the toolbox. I... (show quote)


Steve, thanks for your insights on the topic. To use your phrase "technically an autoexposure" we must exclude most photographs from being "manual exposures." The percentage of photographs made using manual focus is prohibitably small in today's world.

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May 23, 2018 10:07:47   #
cameraf4 Loc: Delaware
 
Eddy Vortex wrote:
I shoot plays and often don't want perfectly exposed shots...the lighting looks way better than it actually is. The first half of my shooting schedule is under house lights on stage from above and thus quite gloomy so that's what I want to capture so...off into manual I go :)


Totally understand, Ed. A perfect situation for "Full Manual."

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May 23, 2018 10:11:17   #
cameraf4 Loc: Delaware
 
Cany143 wrote:
A fair amount of what I shoot is intended to be made into multi-shot stitched panoramas. Full manual is necessary to maintain a consistent exposure across multiple frames.


Pretty "canny" reason to shoot Full Manual, Hombre. On those rare (very rare, I'm afraid") occasions when I have used that technique, I also set all controls manually.

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May 23, 2018 10:13:24   #
BebuLamar
 
cameraf4 wrote:
Now that Chaostrain's poll has been out there a few days, and we have learned that "about" 8-out-of-every-10 Hogs set their camera exposure controls manually, I'm just curious (as Chaostrain was originally) as to "why?" The vast majority of Hogs seem to have/use modern cameras that come with a whole lot more Bells-and-Whistles than my trusty Nikon FM did. It sure seems like the vast majority do "some amount" of computer post-processing on their images, so we must admit that they have no fear/distrust of technology. If they/we follow the recommendation of the on-board light meter in setting the camera's controls, then why restrict ourselves to the "stepped" shutter speeds available in our cameras rather than setting the aperture and letting the camera set "what should be" a more accurate stepless shutter speed to get as close as possible to "optimal exposure?"

Digital photography isn't like shooting "unforgiving chromes" was. But every book/article that I have read on the subject still recommends that we get the digital exposure as close as possible to our optimum. And, granted, tweeking expose of images in PP is one of the easiest things one can do in photography today. So I'm sure that there must be a logical reason to shoot "Full Manual." I just was wondering if someone could articulate for me what that/those reason/s might be as opposed to using Aperture Priority where we still set everything ourselves except the proper "stepless" shutter speed that we cannot manually set.
Now that Chaostrain's poll has been out there a f... (show quote)


There are many reasons why I use manual.
1. It's simply easier to use manual than other means for me when the exposure indicated by the meter isn't what I want. Using the EC is much more cumbersome for me.
2. In many cases the light doesn't change but the meter indicating changing light because it see the different in the subject and not the light. Fore example a people with light color shirt vs dark color shirt.
3. As someone already pointed out the if you want to stitch your images you must keep the exposure the same and the best way is to use manual.
4. For multiple flash exposure it's much easier with manual.
5. At times I know what the exposure settings should be for a given scene without consulting the meter.

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May 23, 2018 10:18:13   #
cameraf4 Loc: Delaware
 
clickety wrote:
Help. I don't understand the terms "stepped" and "steppless" with regards to shutter speed, are there more choices available in an auto setting than manual?

On all my cameras if shooting at 1/100 my next fastest STEP is 1/125 then 1/160 then 1/200 etc. these numbers remain the same whether in manual or any of the automatic settings. What am I missing?


I started out with my FM camera (manual only, absolutely NO automation whatsoever) and "unforgiving slide film" so that I could really Learn photography. Loved it --- became a passion in my life. About a year after I bought the FM, I added a Nikon FE specifically because of situations where the meter thinks that the best shutter speed to use at, say, F8 would be somewhere between 1/250 and 1/500. With the FM, I would have to set one or the other because I only had "stepped" speeds available. The FE in Aperture Priority "Semi-automatic" Mode was free to give me 1/317 sec or 1/462 sec because it could set the shutter speeds "steplessly".

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May 23, 2018 10:20:23   #
clickety
 
Rongnongno wrote:
Step-less simply mean there is no 'stop'. 1/100 adjustment can be 1/110 vs 1/125. Think of stairs changed onto a steep incline. This is available only through a camera (You can cannot turn on or off). Step-less is usually associated with aperture and/or ISO.


The reason I asked was on all my canons when in AP mode I only see the shutter speed change to the same steps as in manual. I don't know how to achieve what you just described.

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May 23, 2018 10:24:10   #
BebuLamar
 
clickety wrote:
The reason I asked was on all my canons when in AP mode I only see the shutter speed change to the same steps as in manual. I don't know how to achieve what you just described.


The camera does not display the stepless speed. It only display the nearest step. So it kinda lie to you saying that it set the shutter speed at 1/250 but it's actually set at 1/230.

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May 23, 2018 10:25:08   #
cameraf4 Loc: Delaware
 
Steve Perry wrote:
Manual mode is just another tool in the toolbox. I use M + Auto ISO ( + exp comp) much of the time (this is technically an autoexposure mode since the camera uses the ISO to maintain image brightness). However, there are times I use full manual too. It depends on the circumstance. As long as you understand how your meter actually works (which in my experience really only applies to less than half of the manual mode shooters out there - sorry), you can use this rule of thumb much of the time:

For scenes with varying light levels but constant tonality, an autoexposure mode is often best (even if you have to use it with exposure comp). For scenes with constant light but varying tonalities, then full manual mode is best.

And if that rule doesn't make sense, then you may be one of the people I mentioned who really don't understand the meter works
Manual mode is just another tool in the toolbox. I... (show quote)



Got it, Steve. An "old dog" like me never thinks of "Auto ISO" because, I suppose, 30+ years of shooting slides with film Nikons never prepared me for such a thing. Not sure how that might be better for me than letting camera choose a stepless SS rather than a "stepless" ISO, but I can certainly understand how it works for you. OF course, you shoot far more wildlife than this old landscape guy, so getting the exact SS desired is much more important for you. Should I find myself in your shoes out in the field, I'll likely follow your lead. Good tip, thanks.

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May 23, 2018 10:32:28   #
cameraf4 Loc: Delaware
 
BebuLamar wrote:
There are many reasons why I use manual.
1. It's simply easier to use manual than other means for me when the exposure indicated by the meter isn't what I want. Using the EC is much more cumbersome for me.
2. In many cases the light doesn't change but the meter indicating changing light because it see the different in the subject and not the light. Fore example a people with light color shirt vs dark color shirt.
3. As someone already pointed out the if you want to stitch your images you must keep the exposure the same and the best way is to use manual.
4. For multiple flash exposure it's much easier with manual.
5. At times I know what the exposure settings should be for a given scene without consulting the meter.
There are many reasons why I use manual. br 1. It'... (show quote)


Gotcha, Bebu. That "multi-flash" thing is, admittedly, something I know absolutely nothing about. And, as a landscape shooter, I always keep "Sunny-16" in mind and check to see that my camera is in the ballpark. My preferred way of compensating exposure is to point my Spot meter at something different where the camera will adjust the shutter speed in the way I want, hold that reading, recompose and shoot. Sounds more complicated than it actually works out to be.

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May 23, 2018 10:39:23   #
Wellhiem Loc: Sunny England.
 
cameraf4 wrote:
Got it, Steve. An "old dog" like me never thinks of "Auto ISO" because, I suppose, 30+ years of shooting slides with film Nikons never prepared me for such a thing. Not sure how that might be better for me than letting camera choose a stepless SS rather than a "stepless" ISO, but I can certainly understand how it works for you. OF course, you shoot far more wildlife than this old landscape guy, so getting the exact SS desired is much more important for you. Should I find myself in your shoes out in the field, I'll likely follow your lead. Good tip, thanks.
Got it, Steve. An "old dog" like me neve... (show quote)


I had a similar thing when I first went digital. There was a shop close by that sold custom Harleys. I went in to take some photos and was unable to get the DOF I wanted at a reasonable SS for hand holding. I never even considered upping the ISO. You just couldn't do that with film. BTW, I started with an after-school photography club, using B&W and a Zenith E.

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May 23, 2018 10:46:19   #
cameraf4 Loc: Delaware
 
Wellhiem wrote:
I had a similar thing when I first went digital. There was a shop close by that sold custom Harleys. I went in to take some photos and was unable to get the DOF I wanted at a reasonable SS for hand holding. I never even considered upping the ISO. You just couldn't do that with film. BTW, I started with an after-school photography club, using B&W and a Zenith E.


Sounds like a fellow "old dog" there, Wellhiem. Won't ask your age, just say "Keep shooting."

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May 23, 2018 11:03:07   #
rpavich Loc: West Virginia
 
Why?

Because I don't like surprises; I don't like having a steering wheel on the passenger side of my car either.

Manual shooting results in consistency. I like consistency.

Having said that..my current favorite camera of all time is an auto-everything-zone-focusing point and shoot. :) but it doesn't surprise me at all so it works for me.

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May 23, 2018 11:18:06   #
BebuLamar
 
rpavich wrote:
Why?

Because I don't like surprises; I don't like having a steering wheel on the passenger side of my car either.

Manual shooting results in consistency. I like consistency.

Having said that..my current favorite camera of all time is an auto-everything-zone-focusing point and shoot. :) but it doesn't surprise me at all so it works for me.


While I agree with you about manual shooting but your favorite camera doesn't allow manual. Also I would love to have a steering wheel on the passenger side.

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May 23, 2018 11:32:34   #
srt101fan
 
sippyjug104 wrote:
I followed Steve Perry's tutorial on setting my Nikon in the "Manual" mode with back-button focus and "auto ISO" set to limits that work best for me. This allows me to use the front and rear command wheels to change shutter speed and aperture quickly based on the subject and what I want the image to represent. This is all done while looking through the view finder and not needing to take the camera off the subject or away from my eye as the situation may quickly change.

A big thank you to Steve for being so generous in sharing his experience and deep knowledge of photography!
I followed Steve Perry's tutorial on setting my Ni... (show quote)


I agree with you on the merits of M+Auto ISO. But remember that the OP is asking about "Full Manual". M+Auto ISO is not Full Manual..... but it's great, isn't it?

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