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May 24, 2018 12:03:01   #
leftj Loc: Texas
 
SteveR wrote:
Why doesn't Admin send a notice to members telling them to get answers to their questions by searching the internet and just shut down the forum? I'm tired of you uppity pips who end up running people off with your condescending attitudes. My message to you.....go fly a kite....or better yet....just skip the threads that you deem uninteresting like the rest of us do.


A little testy this morning aren't we.

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May 24, 2018 12:04:50   #
foathog Loc: Greensboro, NC
 
obviously you need to read the manual. doesn't that make sense????

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May 24, 2018 12:08:36   #
CanonTom Loc: Birmingham
 
amfoto1 wrote:
Tom, the original version of the lens is a "push/pull" zoom... a single ring serves both for focus and for zooming. Not my favorite design so I only borrowed and used it a little. Some people really like the push/pull design, especially for things like birds in flight, air shows, etc. The original version is about a half lb. lighter than the II, though it's still a fairly hefty lens.

The original 100-400 has quite good image quality... so long as you don't put any filter on it. For some reason, it "goes soft" when any filter is on there... even good, high quality ones. More than one person who felt the need to "baby" and protect it with a filter were stunned to see how much sharper it was when they removed the filter! I honestly can't say about how the II works with filters... I've been shooting with it for a couple years and have yet to need to use a filter on it.

Both versions of the lens use fluorite, along with some other exotic glass. They both also have fast, accurate USM. The original is one of five Canon lenses that require the IS be manually turned off when it's locked down on a tripod.... or the IS will "freak out". No problem like that with the II... it has some of the most advanced IS Canon makes.

The original lens' tripod mounting ring is more fully removable, reducing the weight for hand-holding it a bit more. In fact, one thing I didn't like about the II is the design of the foot used on the tripod ring, which is held on by a thumbscrew. I replaced that with a foot that Hejnar Photo makes for the 100-400 II and it's a significant improvement, especially for anyone using it on a tripod with a gimbal or on a monopod or anything else with an Arca-Swiss quick release system. RRS and Kirk Photo both also offer replacement tripod feet for the II, slightly different designs. These are largely unnecessary for the original version, though. A standard Arca-style lens plate can be used on it's tripod ring without problem, if needed.

The clearance pricing of the original is a very good value. There must have been a lot of them in stock around the world, it's still so widely available brand new.

Interesting the both Tamron and Sigma introduced 100-400s of their own, shortly after the Canon was intro'd. Both of those third party lenses are much cheaper... also a little lighter and smaller. However, they also are slower... the Sigma, in particular, is 2/3 stop slower than the Canon through much of it's range. I have not had any hand-on time with either of them, but it appears the Sigma may be a wee bit sharper than the Tamron... but either Canon is sharper still. The Sigma also doesn't have a tripod ring or means of adding one. The Tamron doesn't come with one, but there's an optional ring that can be fitted. Personally, I wouldn't want a 100-400mm that didn't have a tripod ring!
Tom, the original version of the lens is a "p... (show quote)


Alan, most enlightening and interesting read! I may go for it as I really want one and the II is a little outside my budget this year. I purchased a nice barely used D5 III this year as well as a refurb 24-105 L II USM. Wanting to get a good longer lens now.........thanks again for taking the time and providing your expertise!

Tom

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May 24, 2018 12:10:05   #
CanonTom Loc: Birmingham
 
CanonTom wrote:
Alan, most enlightening and interesting read! I may go for it as I really want one and the II is a little outside my budget this year. I purchased a nice barely used 5D III this year as well as a refurb 24-105 L II USM. Funds are a little short after that! Wanting to get a good longer lens now.........thanks again for taking the time and providing your expertise!

Tom

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May 24, 2018 12:28:34   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
CanonTom wrote:
I am looking at the earlier version of this lens. Read a Ken Rockwell comparison of the two. He indicated version II is superior but says version I is a bargain for the now much lower price. I understand a Canon version II converter works well with it. I would really appreciate comments as to this from those who have experience with both. Sure hope this inquiry does not make me a thread hijacker. Since OP’s question has now been answered, hopefully OP will not be offended. Tom


Never used the II version but the III was designed to be used with the lens where the II wasn't specifically designed so.

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May 24, 2018 12:36:02   #
CanonTom Loc: Birmingham
 
Architect1776 wrote:
Never used the II version but the III was designed to be used with the lens where the II wasn't specifically designed so.


Please elaborate. Are you saying the III version is made for both versions of the 100-400L? When I read up on the version II lens, there was an indication that it was paired to the III version converter. When I read up on the earlier lens, I thought I saw where the II version converter was recommended............confused here. It may work with either. Could be the III works better but was not available when the initial lens was made??? If I do purchase a lens, I also want the best converter available for it. Converters, while not cheap are not nearly as expensive as lenses as you know. Any possible clarification is appreciated and thanks! Tom

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May 24, 2018 12:44:17   #
RRS Loc: Not sure
 
LaurenT wrote:
Thank you for the information. That switch is exactly what I was looking for. I need to hit youtube and see the features, etc. Thanks again. L.


Let me ask a question, did a manual come with your new lens? If so it should have visual pointers with numbers as to a general description of what certain things will do with the lens.

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May 24, 2018 12:56:58   #
RRS Loc: Not sure
 
CanonTom wrote:
Please elaborate. Are you saying the III version is made for both versions of the 100-400L? When I read up on the version II lens, there was an indication that it was paired to the III version converter. When I read up on the earlier lens, I thought I saw where the II version converter was recommended............confused here. It may work with either. Could be the III works better but was not available when the initial lens was made??? If I do purchase a lens, I also want the best converter available for it. Converters, while not cheap are not nearly as expensive as lenses as you know. Any possible clarification is appreciated and thanks! Tom
Please elaborate. Are you saying the III version ... (show quote)


The version III converter was made for the newer lenses with the glass being designed to the newer glass in the new lenses. It is also said that the connections are better for all the electronic signals that go through from the body to the lens. Check the Canon info charts and see what they recommend as to what converter for what lens. The older converters could be stacked and if done right you could get great results, not so with the series III, you can not stack them because of the new design. I don't know if you could see any difference between a series II and a III with the naked eye. Either one would will fit, not a problem but if I was buying new lenses I'd be buying the series III, I have a 1.4 and a 2X both series III.

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May 24, 2018 13:10:42   #
Jimmy T Loc: Virginia
 
Correction, for the Canon EF Lens EF100-400mm F4.5-5.6L IS II USM, please see page 7 of http://gdlp01.c-wss.com/gds/6/0300017486/01/ef100-400f45-56lisiiusm-im-e.pdf entitled "4 Zooming and Adjusting the Zoom Resistance" The second item in the first column reads as follows: "To prevent unintended zooming when not shooting we recommend turning the adjustment ring towards the word tight until it stops" Thanks, JimmyT Sends

Canon 100 - 400L II

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May 24, 2018 13:12:36   #
Jimmy T Loc: Virginia
 
Correction to my previous post, for the Canon EF Lens EF100-400mm F4.5-5.6L IS II USM, please see page 7 of http://gdlp01.c-wss.com/gds/6/0300017486/01/ef100-400f45-56lisiiusm-im-e.pdf entitled "4 Zooming and Adjusting the Zoom Resistance" The second item in the first column reads as follows: "To prevent unintended zooming when not shooting we recommend turning the adjustment ring towards the word tight until it stops" Thanks, JimmyT Sends
LaurenT wrote:
I just received a new Canon 100-400L II today from Adorama. After opening the lens, I was looking at all of the sliders for stabilization, etc. and I noticed there is not a way to lock the lens for traveling. Am I missing something? The lens is not stable, as it telescoped out as I was putting it into the case. To be honest, I haven't even attached it to my camera, and I'm a little disappointed in it. There are raves over this lens, and I cannot imagine having to deal with the lens telescoping every time it faces the ground.
I just received a new Canon 100-400L II today from... (show quote)

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May 24, 2018 13:13:57   #
CanonTom Loc: Birmingham
 
RRS wrote:
The version III converter was made for the newer lenses with the glass being designed to the newer glass in the new lenses. It is also said that the connections are better for all the electronic signals that go through from the body to the lens. Check the Canon info charts and see what they recommend as to what converter for what lens. The older converters could be stacked and if done right you could get great results, not so with the series III, you can not stack them because of the new design. I don't know if you could see any difference between a series II and a III with the naked eye. Either one would will fit, not a problem but if I was buying new lenses I'd be buying the series III, I have a 1.4 and a 2X both series III.
The version III converter was made for the newer l... (show quote)


More great info. I will definitely check the charts and/or call Canon and ask. Thank you RRS for commenting! Tom

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May 24, 2018 13:48:03   #
SteveR Loc: Michigan
 
Leitz wrote:
If you can find someone who can read, have them read the instruction manual to you. (Page 7).


Remember that road game where one would accumulate points for seeing animals like cows and horses? How much was an ass worth?

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May 24, 2018 14:53:56   #
imagemeister Loc: mid east Florida
 
CanonTom wrote:
Please elaborate. Are you saying the III version is made for both versions of the 100-400L? When I read up on the version II lens, there was an indication that it was paired to the III version converter. When I read up on the earlier lens, I thought I saw where the II version converter was recommended............confused here. It may work with either. Could be the III works better but was not available when the initial lens was made??? If I do purchase a lens, I also want the best converter available for it. Converters, while not cheap are not nearly as expensive as lenses as you know. Any possible clarification is appreciated and thanks! Tom
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My take on Canon extenders ......All version II and Version III's are optimized for the 300mm f2.8 IS and the 300mm f2.8 II respectively. The design of the 100-400 II lens was optimized to work with the version III extender - especially as regards the electronics /AF @ f8 on select bodies. The version II and III ext. are optically different also - but as a practical matter, this is of very minimal consequence - IMO - the larger consequence lies in AF performance with fast moving subjects and especially @f8. Keep in mind, I cannot PROVE any of this !

Bottom line, if you have the version II lens you can use the version II extender and be quite content depending on your AF requirements. But, getting the version III extender will allow you to sleep better at night especially if doing BIF - or using an extender @f8- at the expense of your bank account. YMMV.

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May 24, 2018 18:04:40   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
CanonTom wrote:
Please elaborate. Are you saying the III version is made for both versions of the 100-400L? When I read up on the version II lens, there was an indication that it was paired to the III version converter. When I read up on the earlier lens, I thought I saw where the II version converter was recommended............confused here. It may work with either. Could be the III works better but was not available when the initial lens was made??? If I do purchase a lens, I also want the best converter available for it. Converters, while not cheap are not nearly as expensive as lenses as you know. Any possible clarification is appreciated and thanks! Tom
Please elaborate. Are you saying the III version ... (show quote)


As I stated the III is designed for the 100-400 MII lens specifically. The II Version of the converter is not. It will work but IQ suffers compared to the III converter on the 100-400 MII lens.

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May 24, 2018 18:20:24   #
leftj Loc: Texas
 
Architect1776 wrote:
As I stated the III is designed for the 100-400 MII lens specifically. The II Version of the converter is not. It will work but IQ suffers compared to the III converter on the 100-400 MII lens.


Funny how a question about lens lock became a discussion about converters.

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