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Oct 11, 2020 17:19:50   #
Bobspez Loc: Southern NJ, USA
 
Control over the outcome, rather than letting the camera do it. Same reason there's no automatic transmissions on formula 1 race cars.
chippy65 wrote:
Every week Nikon,Canon,Sony bring out some new technical wizardry. We have gone though advances such as TTL metering,

TTL flash, auto focus, follow focus, vibration reduction, Blue Tooth, GPS data...........and so on....too many to list and still coming!

Very clever and talented people have developed camera and lens technology to previously unimaginable heights.

BUT if someone mentions using some of the program modes built into our wonderful cameras by these same gifted technocrats he

is immediately jumped on and drummed out of the Brownies.And mention "Auto Mode" and become excommunicated and join the Living Dead

Seems that we will accept some technology but reject "loosing control"

Is this reflected in the real world outside photography?

Have we rejected automatic gearboxes, automatic brake systems,power brakes, power steering, and where did the hand operated

advance/retard get to?. Electric washing machines, microwaves........the list is endless. Hell! they even land passenger planes in Auto-Mode !

Are we being a bit too precious?
Every week Nikon,Canon,Sony bring out some new tec... (show quote)

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Oct 11, 2020 20:31:08   #
larryepage Loc: North Texas area
 
chippy65 wrote:
Every week Nikon,Canon,Sony bring out some new technical wizardry. We have gone though advances such as TTL metering,

TTL flash, auto focus, follow focus, vibration reduction, Blue Tooth, GPS data...........and so on....too many to list and still coming!

Very clever and talented people have developed camera and lens technology to previously unimaginable heights.

BUT if someone mentions using some of the program modes built into our wonderful cameras by these same gifted technocrats he

is immediately jumped on and drummed out of the Brownies.And mention "Auto Mode" and become excommunicated and join the Living Dead

Seems that we will accept some technology but reject "loosing control"

Is this reflected in the real world outside photography?

Have we rejected automatic gearboxes, automatic brake systems,power brakes, power steering, and where did the hand operated

advance/retard get to?. Electric washing machines, microwaves........the list is endless. Hell! they even land passenger planes in Auto-Mode !

Are we being a bit too precious?
Every week Nikon,Canon,Sony bring out some new tec... (show quote)


I had a more detailed response composed, but somehow deleted it with some mysterious automatic typing shortcut provided by the forum software, so this will have to do...keep in mind that I use Nikon cameras, so I am not conversant with mode names used by other manufacturers. Anyway...

The most vocal protests against various automated camera functions seem to come from folks who don't have the faintest clue around how those functions really work. Many have stated that the <Program> function works by comparing a composed image to a vast in-camera library of 50,000 or 100,000 "perfect" reference images in some mysterious fashion, which is absolutely ludicrous...the shutter would never release after pressing the button if all this digital work had to be done. I don't have any cameras with an "Automatic" mode, but the ones I have used simply add flash control to <Program> mode. I also don't have any cameras with "scene" selections, but my wife's camera does. I haven't decided whether the effect of the different choices is significant enough to make any difference or not.

What makes me chuckle every time it arises is the vast number of vocal "Manual" folks who are very big on either Auto ISO or Auto White Balance or both. In my experience, neither of those works very well. AWB, in particular, makes decisions about the color of illuminating light by comparing response curves of the three primary colors in the image (not the light), then adjusting them to make all three the same. This has the effect of correcting out any prevailing coloration from an exposure...whether green grass or blue sky or red sunset or purple walls or any other color.

There are some situations where I have to make manual exposure adjustments...either there isn't enough light, or contrast is too high, or multiple exposures need to maintain the same exposure, or any of several other reasons. If I photographed sports or birds, I'd use Aperture priority mode. But most of the time, Program mode, sometimes with gentle application of exposure compensation or with a switch to a different metering mode, generally makes choices very similar to what I would make, and does it much quicker and with less error than I would. And...if I need to shift shutter speeds or apertures one way or the other, I can do that quickly and easily. If you are watching, you will probably never be able to see when I do it. And the camera will immediately make the corresponding change to the other parameter.

I am not an advocate of any particular mode over another for any photographer other than myself. But knowing how they each REALLY work can make a huge difference in your photography when the need arises. And there's not any one of them that sets anybody with any camera apart as a "real" photographer.

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Oct 12, 2020 12:29:34   #
Hip Coyote
 
I work most often in Aperture priority mode. I can use any mode well. But, on occasion, when something pops up unexpectedly, I pop into auto mode or P mode. The point of is to get the image! And I could care less about what others think about what ever mode I use, my camera, my camera strap, my shoes, my lenses, if I use a filter, a hood, or what ever. The point of photography, IMO, is to capture an image you are happy with. I have changed from desiring the "art" of the image to the "meaning" of the image. Yes, I still try to make good images. I submit images to my art club for critique. And I do ok in that forum. But I have learned that the images most important to me, ones I will keep, that family will keep, are not the lone tree on the hillside but the images that evoke some sort of memory or emotion in me or my loved ones.

Which image would be more valuable to you? The landscape in Yosemite, taken on a tripod, HDR, manipulated and "perfect" or the last photo of your grandparent shot in auto mode?

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Oct 12, 2020 13:28:27   #
larryepage Loc: North Texas area
 
larryepage wrote:
... If I photographed sports or birds, I'd use Aperture priority mode...


Clearly that should have said SHUTTER priority mode...

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Oct 13, 2020 00:00:16   #
rehess Loc: South Bend, Indiana, USA
 
jcboy3 wrote:
It's the difference between being a photographer and snapshooter.

An artist and dilettante.

Journeyman and apprentice.

Computer programmer and computer user.

Driver and rider.

Take control of your gear, or your gear will take control of you.

I do take control of my gear.

I tell it what I want, and it does it.

The difference between "photographer" and "snapshooter" is in vision, not how goes about getting there.

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Oct 13, 2020 00:04:38   #
rehess Loc: South Bend, Indiana, USA
 
Bobspez wrote:
Same reason there's no automatic transmissions on formula 1 race cars.

With Formula 1 race cars, the driver tells the car when to shift and the car's automation does the rest - which is exactly like telling the camera which aperture or which shutter speed is wanted and letting camera's automation take over and do the rest.

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