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May 20, 2018 03:52:24   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
berchman wrote:
I don't have any data, but one of my cars is manual; the other is automatic. If I know I'm going to be stuck in slow moving city traffic, I use the automatic. When I rent a car in Europe I get manual, but I don't drive around in cities, just the countryside.


A friend just returned from a couple of weeks in Ireland, and the charge for an automatic car was quite a bit higher than manual.

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May 20, 2018 03:53:53   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
rplain1 wrote:
And if all you want is a pinhole camera - then go for it - and leave the rest of us alone. And that is exactly what fully automatic cameras are - fixed settings. You have no control.


I wonder if there are any totally automatic cameras, except for what are basically toys. I doubt you'ff find one from Canon, Fuji, Nikon, or Sony.

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May 20, 2018 06:12:27   #
billnikon Loc: Pennsylvania/Ohio/Florida/Maui/Oregon/Vermont
 
rplain1 wrote:
If God didn"t want us to use manual, why did the Nikon gods, the Canon gods and all the other gods leave it on the camera?


Manual was left on today's DSLR's as one of the many options available to the photographer. Manual has many solid uses and so do P, A, and S.

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May 20, 2018 06:18:19   #
rplain1 Loc: Dayton, Oh.
 
billnikon wrote:
Manual was left on today's DSLR's as one of the many options available to the photographer. Manual has many solid uses and so do P, A, and S.
Exactly my point, but the OP seems to think the only reason for using M is ego.

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May 20, 2018 10:21:03   #
charliebama Loc: Tuscaloosa, Alabama
 
chippy65 wrote:
Every week Nikon,Canon,Sony bring out some new technical wizardry. We have gone though advances such as TTL metering,

TTL flash, auto focus, follow focus, vibration reduction, Blue Tooth, GPS data...........and so on....too many to list and still coming!

Very clever and talented people have developed camera and lens technology to previously unimaginable heights.

BUT if someone mentions using some of the program modes built into our wonderful cameras by these same gifted technocrats he

is immediately jumped on and drummed out of the Brownies.And mention "Auto Mode" and become excommunicated and join the Living Dead

Seems that we will accept some technology but reject "loosing control"

Is this reflected in the real world outside photography?

Have we rejected automatic gearboxes, automatic brake systems,power brakes, power steering, and where did the hand operated

advance/retard get to?. Electric washing machines, microwaves........the list is endless. Hell! they even land passenger planes in Auto-Mode !

Are we being a bit too precious?
Every week Nikon,Canon,Sony bring out some new tec... (show quote)




My thoughts exactly. ALL camera modes should be explored. It's more about "the shot" to me.

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May 20, 2018 10:36:08   #
drklrd Loc: Cincinnati Ohio
 
rplain1 wrote:
And if all you want is a pinhole camera - then go for it - and leave the rest of us alone. And that is exactly what fully automatic cameras are - fixed settings. You have no control.


For a Pinhole all you need is a tiny drill bit and a spare body cap. It worked for my 2 1/4 square and 35 mm back in the day. I see no reason that if you can do bulb type exposures for a long time 5 to 10 min that it should also work on the digital format. As for drill bit size try a bit the size of a needles diameter or less. Or just heat the needle and push it through the plastic body cap being careful to not make an oval out of the hole you are making. Hold the needle of course with a pair of pliers for safety as it will need to be really hot to go through the plastic.

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May 20, 2018 11:16:05   #
Diocletian
 
Linda From Maine wrote:
Some on this site just like to engage in spirited discussion, some like to take a more judgmental approach. I don't care what camera or settings or pp software (if any) you use. Is the photo memorable, does it move me, is it fun and engaging, is it inspiring for its creativity and vision so that I want to go out and try similar, would I buy it if my walls weren't already full of my own pics (wink)?

What's Important in a Photograph and What Isn't

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Some on this site just like to engage in spirited ... (show quote)

👍👍👍

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May 20, 2018 13:03:53   #
LoneRangeFinder Loc: Left field
 
And here I was just wondering about the origins of navel lint....

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May 21, 2018 11:33:14   #
lmTrying Loc: WV Northern Panhandle
 
Larz wrote:
Two thoughts. Steve R. Mentioned photographic horizons. They are different for different people. If you can reach yours in auto or a program mode, fine. If you find yourself falling short, it might be time to explore and master other modes or manual. The other is that if you are not getting the shot you visualize, such as desired depth of field, exposure or motion, but accepting what the camera gives you, it might be time to explore and master other modes or manual.


Two very good thoughts. You've given me a lot to think about, and maybe a lot of others.

My whole life I've always been very mechanically minded. I can visualize and design any thing on paper or in a CAD system. And I can do a good job of taking technically correct photos.

It's the artistic ability to visualize the scene before me and make it happen in the camera that I am lacking. And before your post I didn't know how to express that to someone else. Now I think I can. Thank you.

I just joined a camera club. They gave me a form to fill out. One question is, "What do you want from the club?" Now I know how to answer. Thanks again.

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May 21, 2018 23:53:53   #
karno Loc: Chico ,California
 
LoneRangeFinder wrote:
And here I was just wondering about the origins of navel lint....


Do you prefer to remove Lint manually, automatically.

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May 21, 2018 23:55:44   #
LoneRangeFinder Loc: Left field
 
karno wrote:
Do you prefer to remove Lint manually, automatically.


The answer is always either WD-40 or Duct tape.



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May 23, 2018 17:44:30   #
EarlJ Loc: North Carolina
 
LoneRangeFinder wrote:
The answer is always either WD-40 or Duct tape.




IF it should move and doesn't, use one. . .
IF it shouldn't move and does, use the other. . .

I have never figured out which one to use for a poor memory...

LOL

Until that time. . .

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May 23, 2018 21:02:54   #
LoneRangeFinder Loc: Left field
 
Oldroyvoyager wrote:
"loosing control" ????


I did that once after a plate of bad lasagna. Oy vey.

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Oct 10, 2020 18:41:10   #
EarlJ Loc: North Carolina
 
Aloha all y'all...
I agree with wilikioti and bill de...many use "auto" without attempting to understand the "fundamental physics" and "laws of light" taking place...
* * *
I normally set the shutter mode to 500 or so to produce images like the ones attached and let the camera decide on the ISO and aperture... I set one or two of the "trilogy" and let the camera decide the other(s)... easy peasy.
I select what is most important to my design and let the little picture-taking-designed-computer chip in the camera determine the other settings... that's one of the reason why I bought the thing in the first place, to HELP me capture better images, yes? AND why it's so danged expensive... (wink)
* * *
It's your camera... use it how YOU want it to work, not by some so-called YouTube expert with 100 or even 100,000 subscribers... use it how YOU want it to capture the images YOU want... once you understand how the trilogy works... aperture (amount of light - function of lense - f-stop); exposure (duration of light - function of camera - shutter speed); and ISO (sensitivity to light - function of sensor - ability to capture data = 1 MB ~ 24 MB files)...
* * *
I like images like those attached below (at times)... how'd I do? (grin)
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Until that time. . .

We call this a "Bozo" ...
We call this a "Bozo" ......

We call this a "Marty" Feldman...
We call this a "Marty" Feldman......

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Oct 11, 2020 14:33:15   #
lmTrying Loc: WV Northern Panhandle
 
karno wrote:
I bet most people do not use manual, and I don't really care what others use, but yes I am one of those who use only manual and manual focus lenses for my art. only because I grew up with film and that is how I was taught using 4x5 view cameras.
i would like to use more aperture priority and exposure compensation.


A lot of people talk about using Exposure Compensation. I understand the concept. From time to time I try, but it always seems to come back to bite me in the butt. Usually because I forget to shut it down, then I spend untold time trying to figure out why everything is coming out wrong. I also grew up starting with film and a totally manual camera from the 40s or 50s, older than me. So, for me, it is much simpler to work in full manual, chimp, and correct. Repeat as necessary. That way I also know what exposure leg I changed. Or is it just me?

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