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May 13, 2018 21:38:15   #
Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)
 
tenny52 wrote:
Thanks Gene, I like what you said about editing a jpeg is least favorable, that would make more reasons to shoot raw.
But I don't understand how to open a jpeg as raw in PS. what is the advantage?
If jpeg file is the only option, is there any reason to use PS:Filter-Camera Raw that PS' normal operations can't do.
For instance, PS:CR's Level function differs from the PS:Adjustment-Level?
Of course the latter is in a layer of which the opacity can be adjusted; or use the former for habitual or convenience sake.
Thanks Gene, I like what you said about editing a ... (show quote)


"Open as raw" was an option before Photoshop added the Camera Raw Filter.

You can use the Alt+Shift+Ctrl+O keyboard shortcut, or from the File menu you can choose "Open as" either of which will bring you to a dialog where you can find a file to open and decide what format you'd like to use to open it with. If you select raw, the file will open in the ACR editor, and you can edit it as if it were a raw file. When you finish your edits in ACR, you can then open it in Photoshop for additional editing.

The advantage of using ACR for editing a jpeg is far easier shadow/highlight recovery, white/color balance adjustments, dehaze, clarity, vibrance, easy and more intuitive HSL adjustments and all the other cool stuff ACR and Lightroom can do with a raw file. And it is in a single layer, which can be a smart object if you'd like. Granted, all of this and much much more can be done in Photoshop with far greater accuracy and precision, but for fast proof quality editing, even on jpeg files, ACR/Lightroom is hard to beat.

In Photoshop, you can not only vary the opacity, but the fill level and blend mode of a layer, and even what parts of a layer will be blended with it's underlying layer using the Blend If option in Layer Styles.

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May 14, 2018 07:12:57   #
MikeT9
 
Why do so many people on this forum have to knock things without any understanding of what the features offered can do because they’ve never tried them. I agree with the previous comments. For all the birders out there with PS CC the latest version allows automatically selecting the main subject in your picture using ‘Select’ and ‘Select and Mask’. After inverting the selection and opening onto a new layer you can open the camera raw filter and get remove the noise in the background until your heart is content. While doing this you can see the disastrous effect it has on the detail of your subject, the last thing you want but when you click ok and return to PS only the background has the camera raw noise reduction applied. This feature is brilliant as a lot of birders get pictures taken at high ISO where they have detail in the bird which masks the noise but the background way too noisy.
Now there’ll be any number of know-alls who’ll be say use this, Topaz, Nik and other noise reduction software but this included in CC and together with the new automatic selection feature is a really useful but not the only method of selective noise reduction.

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May 14, 2018 08:07:17   #
fergmark Loc: norwalk connecticut
 
rmalarz wrote:
Tenny, I view ACR as developing the negative. PS is my equivalent to making the print.
--Bob


Bob has put this as well as is possible. The wonderful thing about digital, is you don't just get one try at developing the negative.

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May 14, 2018 08:27:44   #
GoofyNewfie Loc: Kansas City
 
One huge advantage to using Adobe Camera Raw for JPEG is batch processing, including lighting adjustment, cropping and sizing. I can tweak over 30 images at a time, then save them to post on the web or some other purpose without having to open, tweak and save them individually.
Yes, I know they don’t have the same latitude in adjustment as a raw file, but for quick web posts, it works well.

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May 14, 2018 08:34:22   #
Skiextreme2 Loc: Northwest MA
 
tenny52 wrote:
Thanks Gene, I like what you said about editing a jpeg is least favorable, that would make more reasons to shoot raw.
But I don't understand how to open a jpeg as raw in PS. what is the advantage?
If jpeg file is the only option, is there any reason to use PS:Filter-Camera Raw that PS' normal operations can't do.
For instance, PS:CR's Level function differs from the PS:Adjustment-Level?
Of course the latter is in a layer of which the opacity can be adjusted; or use the former for habitual or convenience sake.
Thanks Gene, I like what you said about editing a ... (show quote)


A jpeg is a jpeg and raw is raw. You can't turn a jpeg into a raw file. You could open a jpeg and save it as raw but it still won't be a raw file, as a lot of raw data was lost when it was made into a jpeg by the camera. To use a raw file, your camera has to produce raw images, which can be opened in LR or PS.

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May 14, 2018 09:19:06   #
Davidka
 
The only advantage using PS ACR over Lightroom is smart objects. Even after leaving ACR opening in PS with one click you can return to ACR for more edits as long as you do not flatten file. I always forget to do some type of adjustment.

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May 14, 2018 09:28:42   #
jackpinoh Loc: Kettering, OH 45419
 
tenny52 wrote:
I know if I want to work on my NEF raw files on PS, it would open up the Camera Raw first to perform some settings before converting the image as jpg for further PS enhancement.
Is it necessary to use the Filter-Camera Raw again to do more after a few moves on the PS?
Is it common practice to use Filter- Camera Raw to work on jpg images?

It is not possible to work on a RAW file in Photoshop. The RAW file must first be converted to a .TIFF, .PSD, or .jpg file. (.TIFF or .PSD file format is highly preferable.) That is why you need ACR, Lightroom, or some other RAW processor. Also, it is best to make as many adjustments to your RAW file in ACR, Lightroom, etc. before converting the RAW file and exporting the converted file (TIFF, PSD, or JPEG) to Photoshop or elsewhere.

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May 14, 2018 09:55:21   #
TheShoe Loc: Lacey, WA
 
speters wrote:
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If it is a jpg, it has already been processed by a camera raw program and is no longer in raw format. Most raw converters that I know of do one thing and generally do it well with just one pass, They convert a file from raw format to one that is usable for PP.

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May 14, 2018 10:24:00   #
Fotoartist Loc: Detroit, Michigan
 
I have gone back and forth between raw and PS several times to achieve a certain look.

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May 14, 2018 10:30:41   #
Davidka
 
Smart objects in PS are PSD files but if you double click on layer icon (small square) you will go back into ACR for more adjustments if you need them.

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May 14, 2018 10:41:34   #
jackpinoh Loc: Kettering, OH 45419
 
TheShoe wrote:

If it is a jpg, it has already been processed by a camera raw program and is no longer in raw format. Most raw converters that I know of do one thing and generally do it well with just one pass, They convert a file from raw format to one that is usable for PP.

Actually, you can adjust JPEG files in most RAW processors such as ACR and Lightroom, but adjustments are more limited than they are for RAW files.

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May 14, 2018 10:58:54   #
dkguill Loc: Elkhart, IN
 
PS includes ACR and Bridge. LR also includes ACR. You can do more in post using PS and its inclusions than you can in LR and it's included ACR. It was just stated above that LR has a steep learning curve. So does PS, so if you have become accomplished in PS, why would you invite the brain damage of learning LR when you already have the facility in PS? The very cryptic cataloging residing in LR causes more trouble than its worth IMHO. Bridge offers intuitive search capability without the afore-mentioned brain damage if one employs just a bit of logic in storing photo files. If you don't have facility in PS, then what you choose to learn to meet your needs is academic...again IMHO. In my experience, PS is worth the extra effort...LR...not so much.

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May 14, 2018 11:04:12   #
jackpinoh Loc: Kettering, OH 45419
 
dkguill wrote:
PS includes ACR and Bridge. LR also includes ACR. You can do more in post using PS and its inclusions than you can in LR and it's included ACR. It was just stated above that LR has a steep learning curve. So does PS, so if you have become accomplished in PS, why would you invite the brain damage of learning LR when you already have the facility in PS? The very cryptic cataloging residing in LR causes more trouble than its worth IMHO. Bridge offers intuitive search capability without the afore-mentioned brain damage if one employs just a bit of logic in storing photo files. If you don't have facility in PS, then what you choose to learn to meet your needs is academic...again IMHO.
PS includes ACR and Bridge. LR also includes ACR.... (show quote)

LR and ACR are different applications that use the same processing engine. But some of the controls in ACR differ from those in Lightroom.

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May 14, 2018 11:48:33   #
rplain1 Loc: Dayton, Oh.
 
tenny52 wrote:
I agree, PS is mainly to do the final enhancement prior to export as jpg.
Why PS:Filter:Camera Raw is there? Is it an Adobe freebie for the people who don't have access to LR?
I find it very useful. I shoot raw so I run all my photos through Camera Raw then to photoshop. But while editing the PSD file I may notice something that can be improved or changed in Camera Raw. I certainly don't want to go back to square one and start over in Camera Raw. Thus the usefulness of the filter. Doesn't make any difference if you are using LR or PS. I don't even have LR on my computer as I never use it.

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May 14, 2018 12:05:48   #
kymarto Loc: Portland OR and Milan Italy
 
tenny52 wrote:
I know if I want to work on my NEF raw files on PS, it would open up the Camera Raw first to perform some settings before converting the image as jpg for further PS enhancement.
Is it necessary to use the Filter-Camera Raw again to do more after a few moves on the PS?
Is it common practice to use Filter- Camera Raw to work on jpg images?


Just to be clear here: when you open a raw file in PS it does not get “wrapped” into a format until you save it. After opening in PS after initial adjustments, it is possible to use the ACR filter in PS at the same level of quality as you would get with the initial adjustment of the raw in ACR.

There is a caveat, however. You need to have ACR open the file in 16 bits, not 8 bits.

Once you have saved the raw in a standard image format, you have thrown away information—not as much using a non-lossy compression or no compression in 16 bit, but even then you have lost information from the raw. If you save in 8 bit—even uncompressed—you have thrown away a huge amount of information.

However even then you can use the ACR filter in PS to perform certain adjustments that are more difficult to do using standard PS tools. You will not have the range of adjustment using the ACR filter on a jpg as on a raw or 16 bit file, but that does not mean that you cannot or should not use the ACR filter to make adjustments just as you would use any other PS tool for post processing. I do it all the time and am happy to have its capabilities—and that is exactly why Adobe included the ACR interface as a filter, because it seriously extends PS’s processing capabilities on whatever kind of image file.

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