Regis
Loc: Coeur d' Alene, Idaho
Dragonophile wrote:
I was reading a thread recently where it was suggested a 50 mp camera requires a tripod for best results. That got me thinking. My camera does about 18 mp and I exclusively hand hold a 100-400 telephoto lens on my crop camera. I am fine with the results. I realize everyone is different in steadiness when it comes to hand holding, but let's assume I'm average. Would I start to get more blur at 25 mp? 30 mp? 40 mp? For those people with higher mp cameras and telephoto lenses, what do you find as your upper limits for CONSISTENTLY getting good hand held shots? I do mostly ships & stationary birds. Does it vary by camera maker depending on how good their image stabilization is?
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I hand hold all my shots using a Canon 5Dsr with a total 800mm prime lens (400mm times 2x extender = 800mm).
If I can do it at 74, then anybody can manage this combo.
Bazbo
Loc: Lisboa, Portugal
Dragonophile wrote:
I was reading a thread recently where it was suggested a 50 mp camera requires a tripod for best results. That got me thinking. My camera does about 18 mp and I exclusively hand hold a 100-400 telephoto lens on my crop camera. I am fine with the results. I realize everyone is different in steadiness when it comes to hand holding, but let's assume I'm average. Would I start to get more blur at 25 mp? 30 mp? 40 mp? For those people with higher mp cameras and telephoto lenses, what do you find as your upper limits for CONSISTENTLY getting good hand held shots? I do mostly ships & stationary birds. Does it vary by camera maker depending on how good their image stabilization is?
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I have no such issues with the D850. There may be other secondary factors--the high mp cameras may be a bit heavier (as is the case with the 850) which may cause some stability issues, for example.
Everything ... is kinda like everything.
PRACTICE makes perfect. Practice a good stance, a firm hold, and a smooth pivot.
Make sure your camera setup is more like action/sports.
Maybe a shallow DoF is zooper kewl, but you'll miss moving objects that way.
I "grew up" with folders and ISO 50 film- a monopod and a cable release doubled my success rate. A tripod or a tabletop was even better.
Today I'm old and decrepit- I always have a cane- and that works as a mono. Since I do Nikons, I have a small assortment of shutter remotes- I can hold/zoom/focus in manual mode and press a button with less shake than doing all that and pressing the shutter.
There are other stabilizers- a buddy uses an old bed brass finial bolted to the bottom as a half pound counterweight. One guy on Youtube uses PVC pipe and sand; another uses a bungie cord hooked to his belt.
It also depends on the person- I know one person who can take great shots holding her camera up and at arms length - if I tried that you'd wonder who I was waving at.
YMMV.
Great shot. I had some concerns about buying an 850. I think that shot convinced me I can do it.
Dragonophile wrote:
I was reading a thread recently where it was suggested a 50 mp camera requires a tripod for best results. That got me thinking. My camera does about 18 mp and I exclusively hand hold a 100-400 telephoto lens on my crop camera. I am fine with the results. I realize everyone is different in steadiness when it comes to hand holding, but let's assume I'm average. Would I start to get more blur at 25 mp? 30 mp? 40 mp? For those people with higher mp cameras and telephoto lenses, what do you find as your upper limits for CONSISTENTLY getting good hand held shots? I do mostly ships & stationary birds. Does it vary by camera maker depending on how good their image stabilization is?
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All depends on technique, focal length and shutter speed. Given a short focal length, high shutter speed, and handling the camera like an offhand rifle the pixel count does not mean a thing. Longer, slower and shakier does, and the more pixels, the more there is to detect a motion blur. But at best, the difference is going to be infinitesimal.
I did 10 days in the Himalayas. Medium Format. I shot all photos from a tripod using a two button cable shutter release - mirror up wait a moment, then shutter.
No regrets. I can enlarge any photo to 100 inches no sweat.
Angmo wrote:
I did 10 days in the Himalayas. Medium Format. I shot all photos from a tripod using a two button cable shutter release - mirror up wait a moment, then shutter.
No regrets. I can enlarge any photo to 100 inches no sweat.
That's what I'm talkin' bout !
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FreddB
Loc: PA - Delaware County
Dragonophile wrote:
I was reading a thread recently where it was suggested a 50 mp camera requires a tripod for best results. That got me thinking. My camera does about 18 mp and I exclusively hand hold a 100-400 telephoto lens on my crop camera. I am fine with the results. I realize everyone is different in steadiness when it comes to hand holding, but let's assume I'm average. Would I start to get more blur at 25 mp? 30 mp? 40 mp? For those people with higher mp cameras and telephoto lenses, what do you find as your upper limits for CONSISTENTLY getting good hand held shots? I do mostly ships & stationary birds. Does it vary by camera maker depending on how good their image stabilization is?
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I was going to start by saying please correct me if I'm wrong, which is totally unnecessary on here. I wasn't aware that pixels had a weight factor. One's ability to shoot handheld depends on the weight of the equipment versus their hand/arm/upper body strength. Those are affected by our age and physical condition. So, it's either downsize the gear or up size the strength; save the pixel count for another discussion.
imagemeister wrote:
That's what I'm talkin' bout !
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For those wanting to improve your hand holding :
http://www.uglyhedgehog.com/t-236741-1.htmland I really like this bracket with non-slip ergonomic grip - neither of these are available commercially.
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Looks like the plumbing on my Anschutz .22 caliber target rifle. Supporting a camera using the large bones of the forearm versus fingers of the hand matters
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x25oqcFXnjsAdorama Tv- Mark Wallace on freezing motion, and panning with action. He talks about lens focal length and shutter speeds for handholding.
The inverse rule generally works with stationary subjects. You should shoot handheld with a shutter speed equal or faster than your lens focal length. EX: 125mm focal length, shoot at 125/sec or faster to eliminate motion from camera and lens shake. EX: 24 mm focal length, you could handhold as low as 1/30 sec for stationary object. BUT lens stabilization and/or IBIS (In Body Image Stabilization) allows you to handhold at much slower speeds in modern cameras, some as much as 4-5 stops slower than before. I am able to handhold as slow as 1/4 second with my IBIS in my camera, even with telephoto focal length. I have years of practice in keeping my body and camera steady, but anyone with practice and modern camera/lens combos with lens stabilization and/or IBIS can achieve equal results.
Do not worry about the differences with higher megapixel cameras. That does not matter as much as proper shutter speed for your focal length and any lens and/or in-body stabilization you have. I teach photography at the university level and have to teach my students this and then they have assignments to put all this into practice. I also teach them proper camera holding and body position techniques to help them keep everything steady for shooting with slow shutter speeds and long lenses. Cheers
When I got my D800e a couple of years ago I found the high pixel count did indeed require an improvement in handling skills. It didn't take very long to get the full capability performance as a regular result. Practice, practice, practice!
Gene51
Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)
jimneotech wrote:
Did your lens have VR?
No, it's a Sigma 150-600 Sport - so it has OS, not VR.
Gene51
Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)
FreddB wrote:
I was going to start by saying please correct me if I'm wrong, which is totally unnecessary on here. I wasn't aware that pixels had a weight factor. One's ability to shoot handheld depends on the weight of the equipment versus their hand/arm/upper body strength. Those are affected by our age and physical condition. So, it's either downsize the gear or up size the strength; save the pixel count for another discussion.
No, but the higher the pixel density, the higher the amount of recorded fine detail, and if you have a blur that is 1 plxel long on a 12 mp canera, that will be several pixels long on a 46 mp camera - so, the blur you won't see at 12 mp you definitely will see at 46 mp - regardless of the camera+lens weight, physical condition of the shooter, age, etc.
Pixel count is definitely part of this discussion. What gear do you use?
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