Can DSLR be mirrorless
May 3, 2018 00:26:43 #
jerryc41 wrote:
The thing is, "reflex" requires a mirror. That's part of the definition.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single-lens_reflex_camera
What features of mirrorless would you like, if not the smaller size?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single-lens_reflex_camera
What features of mirrorless would you like, if not the smaller size?
Right. You can can still have the mirror and be "mirrorless" by going to liveview (mirror up).
You lose the viewfinder and dont gain some o the features of Sony mirrorless (eye AF, zebras, high FPS, etc. ). I fear when canon finally releases its FF mirorless next year it will be 5yrs behind sony.
...and there are limitations on non-native glass...
May 3, 2018 00:38:19 #
burkphoto wrote:
Shorter flange-to-sensor distance requires less re... (show quote)
My challenge is I need to get another dual slot body. Thinking about the A7iii with a MC-11 adapter but dont want my brain to lockup in a wedding using 2 ecosystems. I can seamlessly use all 3 canon bodies and the slight variations in buttons is istinctual at this point. Also the color schema from the 2 systems is different.
I had heard the eyeAf is killer but may be dodgy in low light with a non native lens. That is unacceptable. My 5Dmkiv shoots in the dark and the D850 is even better....not sure about the Sony....
Just want Canon to give me the features (that work) in a mirrorless but in a dslr body that take native lenses....may stop the flow of existing customers to Sony...may not attract new customers as you noted....
If Canon comes out with a dud. Game over.
May 3, 2018 00:46:18 #
crazydaddio wrote:
I fear when canon finally releases its FF mirorless next year it will be 5yrs behind sony.
I fear when canon finally releases its FF mirorless next year it will be 5yrs behind sony.
That’s like saying that Tesla is 100 years behind all the other American car companies and that’s just not the case.
Samsung, though for now is defunct, it was definitely NOT behind anybody!!!
I think Sony has borrowed heavily from its experience with video cameras and the cine world to jump start its ML tech but let’s not forget that Canon is ALSO a leader in the cine world!
SS
May 3, 2018 00:57:00 #
19104
Loc: Philadelphia
Well back in the before time both Nikon F3H (14 frames a second) And Canon F-1 High Speed (!7 frames a seconds) SLR's that had non movable semi-transparent (Pellicle) mirrors. They accepted normal lenses. So to answer your question YES, it would be quite possible to build something approaching what you what or maybe Not
John
John
May 3, 2018 06:08:09 #
Well yes, the Nikon D7500 is essentially a mirrorless camera when using the live view (LCD screen)
May 3, 2018 06:17:18 #
sergiohm wrote:
Well yes, the Nikon D7500 is essentially a mirrorless camera when using the live view (LCD screen)
But no EVF - harder to use without tripod, virtually impossible to use in sunlight.
May 3, 2018 06:30:29 #
crazydaddio wrote:
Not FF. But thanks
I was referring my info there being "old". I merely wanted to point out that "more" camera companies have or are experimenting with Mirrorless. I was not happy with the Pentax K-01 Specs and features either. It was not FF, and MP count not impressive to make up for that, etc. My latest camera was a used Pentax K-3 (APS-C 24MP), and the one just before that a used original early Asahi-Pentax K1000 35mm Film Camera (Japanese made; not one of the junk Hoya Chinese ones).
May 3, 2018 06:40:13 #
blackest wrote:
sounds good until you read the spec
Viewfinder type: None
That is a deal breaker, in bright light you can't see an lcd screen.
It's pretty much the same as my k5 but they left out the optical viewfinder, pretty much a cut down version.
I wouldn't want that camera for any more than the cost of the lens it came with.
Viewfinder type: None
That is a deal breaker, in bright light you can't see an lcd screen.
It's pretty much the same as my k5 but they left out the optical viewfinder, pretty much a cut down version.
I wouldn't want that camera for any more than the cost of the lens it came with.
I was referring my info there being "old". I merely wanted to point out that "more" camera companies have or are experimenting with Mirrorless. I was not happy with the Pentax K-01 Specs and features either. It was not FF, and MP count not impressive to make up for that, LCD, etc. My latest camera purchase was a used Pentax K-3 (APS-C 24MP), and the one just before that a used original early Asahi-Pentax K1000 35mm Film Camera (Japanese made; not one of the junk Hoya Chinese ones) with smc-Pentax-K(K) 55mm 1:2 (52mm diameter) lens.
May 3, 2018 06:43:17 #
billnikon
Loc: Pennsylvania/Ohio/Florida/Maui/Oregon/Vermont
crazydaddio wrote:
Ok I know a DSLR has a mirror by definition but couldn't all the features of mirrorless be embedded in a DSLR? (Evf may be an issue)
Reason i ask is I would like a FF DSLR that has the features of mirrorless but take my lenses natively. Like the body size of dslr also.
Would like the option of evf but not a deal breaker....thoughts?
Reason i ask is I would like a FF DSLR that has the features of mirrorless but take my lenses natively. Like the body size of dslr also.
Would like the option of evf but not a deal breaker....thoughts?
My thoughts? Lets see, a DSLR has a mirror, a mirrorless does not have a mirror. Questions?
May 3, 2018 08:08:46 #
burkphoto wrote:
Shorter flange-to-sensor distance requires less re... (show quote)
Lighter cheaper and easier to design and mfg is not translating to performance and price. (Or selection in Sony case. (Referring to reviews of the Sony G 24-70 vs its counterparts for dslrs. Need to dig up that review). The Sony bodys are killing in the market but the lenses seem overpriced for their performance.
May 3, 2018 08:13:09 #
SharpShooter wrote:
That’s like saying that Tesla is 100 years behind all the other American car companies and that’s just not the case.
Samsung, though for now is defunct, it was definitely NOT behind anybody!!!
I think Sony has borrowed heavily from its experience with video cameras and the cine world to jump start its ML tech but let’s not forget that Canon is ALSO a leader in the cine world!
SS
Samsung, though for now is defunct, it was definitely NOT behind anybody!!!
I think Sony has borrowed heavily from its experience with video cameras and the cine world to jump start its ML tech but let’s not forget that Canon is ALSO a leader in the cine world!
SS
Lets hope Elon's "sleeping in the factory" can solve the mfg problems. I would say Tesla is still 100yrs behind when it comes to managing the supply chain and mfg process. He may want to dig up Henry Ford to run his lines :-)
May 3, 2018 08:23:26 #
billnikon wrote:
My thoughts? Lets see, a DSLR has a mirror, a mirrorless does not have a mirror. Questions?
Yes.
I will make my question simple.
Why cant I get the features and performance in Liveview that Sony can give in their mirrorless.
MUP dslr should be no different than a non-EVF mirrorless.
(Not talking about weight, lens design, flange distance etc)
What is the issue? SW? Digic processors to slow, buffer clearance, sensor sweep/unload/continuous AF (jello) etc.
It is either a tech/cost choice, canabalisation of their own mirrorless toys...or....they dont have the TECH! .... high fps with no blackout and continuous lock AF (eye and object)...thats what I want. And with good evf for outdoor washout risk, i will switch. I will keep buying dslrs if they can give me the mirrorless benefits .
...not asking for much ;-)
May 3, 2018 08:25:18 #
Dikdik
Loc: Winnipeg, Canada
Is it possible that future 'top of the line' cameras will be mirrorless? I'm not aware of any advantages there are to mechanical 'mirrors' in a camera.
Dik
Dik
May 3, 2018 09:04:08 #
ToBoldlyGo
Loc: London U.K.
Cdouthitt wrote:
Your only option is Sony if you want FF. You can use your lenses with an adaptor/speedbooster.
Canon and Nikon are at least 2 years out from producing a non version 1 ff mirrorless camera.
Canon and Nikon are at least 2 years out from producing a non version 1 ff mirrorless camera.
Nikon have announced about a year.
May 3, 2018 09:16:26 #
For Mirror-less lot quieter, fewer mechanical parts to go wrong, lighter weight bodies and Negative or Positive however you view it EVF instead of directly view through the lens.
Dikdik wrote:
Is it possible that future 'top of the line' cameras will be mirrorless? I'm not aware of any advantages there are to mechanical 'mirrors' in a camera.
Dik
Dik
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