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Apr 29, 2018 15:37:02   #
Rich1939 Loc: Pike County Penna.
 
SAVH wrote:
I'm not sure exactly how to phrase this. I see quite a few landscape photographs that are really sharp and distinct. Now, in my 77 years, I have traveled quite a lot around the world and I just have never seen landscapes that really looked like that. I find the pictures to be very good and generally quite striking but they do not reflect what I think I have seen. Having said that, I would like to know how the "enhanced" effects are achieved. I'm guessing that it involves a lot of contrast and some method of increasing sharpness. I have been using very good cameras (Nikon D-800 and now a new D-850) along with the important primes and telephoto lenses and a tripod but I don't get the definition I see in so many photos here. My comments are not meant to criticize anyone's results but to learn what post processing results in such distinct pictures. I hope I have made myself clear.
Scotty
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Would you post a link to one of those images here that has your curiosity turned up?

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Apr 29, 2018 15:43:52   #
srt101fan
 
R.G. wrote:
I suspect that what you're seeing in others' photos is not sharpness but vividness down to the level of fine detail. That can give the impression of sharpness. It's achieved in post processing by Contrast, Clarity, Vibrance/Saturation and, yes, extra sharpness does help, as does Structure when it's available.

The quickest way to an over-cooked look is to overdo any of these adjustments, and the trick is knowing how far you can push them and still maintain a semblance of a natural look. You're probably used to having your photographs stay looking like photographs, but a photographer skilled in PP will know how to take his edits beyond that point (for the sake of visual interest) and still retain a credible look. And people who sell photos will tell you that for the most part, a vivid look sells better than a purely natural look.
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I'm guessing this is the answer the OP has been looking for!!

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Apr 29, 2018 17:31:03   #
abc1234 Loc: Elk Grove Village, Illinois
 
Bobspez wrote:
I find the easiest steps in post processing have the largest payback. My camera is set for fine jpg plus RAW. I use the jpg files to review which RAW image I want to process. I open the RAW image in Photoshop. I select the image tab on top and select auto color, auto contrast and auto tone, one at a time. I can undo any of these after selecting them with Edit/ undo if I don't like the effect. I select image/adjustments/ "Shadows/Highlights" and play with the sliders. It only takes a few minutes, and it's what I do on all of my pics. The results are significant and the effort minimal.
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Here is an easier way: LR. And skip the jpg's.

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Apr 29, 2018 17:37:24   #
Bobspez Loc: Southern NJ, USA
 
Just pointing out it doesn't take a lot of effort or knowledge of processing to make a significant difference on images in just a few minutes.
abc1234 wrote:
Here is an easier way: LR. And skip the jpg's.

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Apr 29, 2018 17:44:58   #
Rich1939 Loc: Pike County Penna.
 
Bobspez wrote:
Just pointing out it doesn't take a lot of effort or knowledge of processing to make a significant difference on images in just a few minutes.

Sharpening is too often over done, so my council without seeing the images the OP is referring to would be along the lines of technique. At my age it becomes much more paramount than it used to. Too many times in the past couple of years I have gotten home, sat down to process the next award winning photo,only to find it was soft. Usually from movement.

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Apr 29, 2018 18:08:51   #
Bobspez Loc: Southern NJ, USA
 
Sharpening really doesn't help much. In Photoshop the big difference for most pictures is made with Auto Tone, Auto color, Auto Contrast, and the sliders in Shadows/Highlights. Those tweaks bring out the data that is in the raw file, rather than add artificial sharpness.

I also agree that movement is a big problem at my age as well. One of the things I have done is to mostly use my Coolpix B700 in preference to my dslrs and lenses, as it is light weight and easy to shoot with and gives me as sharp telephoto shots as a dslr with a 55-300 lens. (The other day I took out my heavy FF dslr camera and heavy 15-30mm lens to take some pics of my house and at the end of the day my upper arms were pretty sore, and my pics were mostly soft.) Another thing that helps in getting a sharper shot is I set my cameras to single point focus and continuous shooting. If I fire off 5 fps (spray and pray) I always get one shot that is sharper than the rest.

Rich1939 wrote:
Sharpening is too often over done, so my council without seeing the images the OP is referring to would be along the lines of technique. At my age it becomes much more paramount than it used to. Too many times in the past couple of years I have gotten home, sat down to process the next award winning photo,only to find it was soft. Usually from movement.

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Apr 29, 2018 18:27:37   #
SAVH Loc: La Jolla, CA
 
To all who have responded with ideas, suggestions and how-to's, I say sincerely Thank You. It is a strong positive for the UHH that one can get so many serious, well-thought out and meaningful responses. I will endeavor to apply the input and improve my own post processing as well as the picture taking process. I think my biggest deficiency at this point is PP. I am a recent adopter of LR and PS and have a lot to learn. I can get my pictures processed but not to the extent I see everyday here. Again, thank you all.

Scotty

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Apr 30, 2018 05:54:26   #
LarryFitz Loc: Beacon NY
 
For landscapes I like to separate the sky from the land in post processing. I like soft fluff clouds, and trees and other vegetation more vibrant. If building instead of trees I like sharper with more contrast.

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Apr 30, 2018 05:55:22   #
John N Loc: HP14 3QF Stokenchurch, UK
 
PP sharpening is the key here and I find the trick in not overdoing it is to do it at 100% (or more) either viewing the whole picture or using a small section with some detail in it such as roof tiles. If its been overdone thin black lines will be visible where the PP tries to define edges.
In CANON DPR (which I use for quick edits) I tend to use brightness, Contrast, Highlights and shadows, normally just one step on the sliders (sometimes two). Then I use sharpness which also offers an Unsharp tool. Strange that it may seem UNSHARP comes from the printing industry and is also a method for sharpening.
I'm pretty sure the NIKON software that came with your camera will offer something similar.

WIKIPEDIA has a variety of pages explaining all of this much better than I can do.

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Apr 30, 2018 06:46:10   #
rts2568
 
just something for you to think about, multiple exposure stitching. Instead of 20mm landscapes (single shot), try 135mm, 4 to 10 images and stitch into one. That sharpness you miss may just be revealed again in the final image, contrast & sharpening will still be available but don't over do them.

Have fun,

Ron

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Apr 30, 2018 06:48:27   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
SAVH wrote:
I'm guessing that it involves a lot of contrast and some method of increasing sharpness.


Right, and focus stacking, as Robertjerl said. One thing I like about photography is being able to improve upon Nature. : )

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Apr 30, 2018 07:01:37   #
BboH Loc: s of 2/21, Ellicott City, MD
 
Scotty, what you have described is what, in my opinion, the human eye does - the scene between you and you focus toward is sharper than that off to the side and to the rear to the point that your eye can see sharp.

People use f-stop and combinations of the many aspects of PP and plug-ins for the programs they use to make an entire image as sharp or more highly defined than the eye can perceive. As a genera rule, f-14 and above usually produce images sharp front to back, but not the highly defined edge between contrast or color

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Apr 30, 2018 07:20:40   #
rmm0605 Loc: Atlanta GA
 
robertjerl wrote:
There is a focus stacking app built into PS. You shoot the series with different focus points, select the series in LR and under Photo - "edit in" you go to the bottom of the list and click "open as layers in PS". Then in PS you select all the layers and under edit you will find Auto align and Auto blend.
First use Auto Align and it lines the images up to correct any camera movement during the exposures. Then do Auto blend and it will process the images to use the sharp parts of each. There are options for different things that will effect the results. PS is considered a fairly simple version. Helicon Focus & Zerene Stacker are the leading apps. Franzis Projects Pro also has a focus stacking app. I own and am learning the Helicon and Franzis apps - in the meantime I use PS. They also make apps for use with a laptop or desktop where you "tether" the camera and control the focus and shots process. The old fashioned/hard way is to change the focus manually for each shot. A ROYAL PAIN. I saw a demo (and have tried it) where the lens was on manual focus, focused on the near edge of the subject and the camera moved in as a burst is fired. It works, sorta, a high rate of failure until you have practiced a lot and then still lots of failures. But it will work when no other method is available.

Helicon also makes the Helicon FB Tube - it goes between the camera and the lens (only available for Canon and Nikon) and has a processor (controlled by an app on a smart phone or tablet) and can be set for # of shots, f-stop etc and when a burst is fired it automatically changes the focus for each frame. A very slow burst rate helps you count the frames, or just fire a burst and count frames-dumping the extras. I just got a wired remote shutter release that allows setting the # of frames in a burst so you can match with the FB Tube. This should help avoid needing to dump a lot of extra frames.
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If you just want to "focus-stack," there is a program called "Zerene Stacker," which specializes in stacking photos. You might want to check it out. https://zerenesystems.com/cms/stacker/softwaredownloads.
There are also Youtube videos on how to use it.

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Apr 30, 2018 08:06:12   #
Notorious T.O.D. Loc: Harrisburg, North Carolina
 
Check out some of the Joe Brady YouTube videos on metering and shooting landscapes.

Best,
Todd Ferguson

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Apr 30, 2018 08:24:32   #
jackpinoh Loc: Kettering, OH 45419
 
SAVH wrote:
I'm not sure exactly how to phrase this. I see quite a few landscape photographs that are really sharp and distinct. Now, in my 77 years, I have traveled quite a lot around the world and I just have never seen landscapes that really looked like that. I find the pictures to be very good and generally quite striking but they do not reflect what I think I have seen. Having said that, I would like to know how the "enhanced" effects are achieved. I'm guessing that it involves a lot of contrast and some method of increasing sharpness. I have been using very good cameras (Nikon D-800 and now a new D-850) along with the important primes and telephoto lenses and a tripod but I don't get the definition I see in so many photos here. My comments are not meant to criticize anyone's results but to learn what post processing results in such distinct pictures. I hope I have made myself clear.
Scotty
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Have you calibrated your lenses to ensure they don't front or back focus? Do you photograph landscapes using a long focal length (f/11 - f/16)? Do you use "mirror up" and a remote shutter release or 2-5 second delay? Do you use the hyperfocal distance when setting your focus? Is the dampening of your tripod sufficient? Are you shooting at base ISO? If you don't get all of those things right, you shouldn't expect sharp photos. It also sounds like you don't do any post processing. It takes a lot of time and effort to learn how to do post processing properly. It isn't simply a matter of cranking up contrast and sharpening.

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