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Mar 8, 2018 20:44:23   #
d2b2 Loc: Catonsville, Maryland, USA
 
EyeSawYou wrote:
I made no excuses for anyone, Trump is continuing the same sanctions as Obama put in place. The question is why didn't Obama put pressure or sanctions on Russia when he knew they were doing this since 2014?


As i said, i was no fan of Obama. There is no excuse i can fathom. Compared to Trump, he was a god!!!

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Mar 8, 2018 20:48:20   #
EyeSawYou
 
d2b2 wrote:
As i said, i was no fan of Obama. There is no excuse i can fathom. Compared to Trump, he was a god!!!


Time will tell who the bigger "god" will be in 7 years time. :)

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Mar 8, 2018 20:48:39   #
Tom G Loc: Atlanta, GA
 
SharpShooter wrote:
Not deplorable if you’re a conservative, they desperately need that help!!!! LoL
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Desperately need what help? What are you trying to say? Be more specific if you can?

And, please stop the stupid LOL bulls**t - so trite & dumb.

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Mar 8, 2018 20:54:23   #
Tom G Loc: Atlanta, GA
 
Texcaster wrote:
We just lost a cyber war to Russia, we need our leader to protect the USA now.


So who do you think will protect us ? Give us some names... some suggestions.

Quote doubtful that we lost anything to Russia.

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Mar 8, 2018 21:07:42   #
d2b2 Loc: Catonsville, Maryland, USA
 
EyeSawYou wrote:
Time will tell who the bigger "god" will be in 7 years time. :)


Scary, either way!

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Mar 8, 2018 21:15:03   #
Texcaster Loc: Queensland
 
Tom G wrote:
So who do you think will protect us ? Give us some names... some suggestions.

Quote doubtful that we lost anything to Russia.


Shutting down Putin's White House dojo is a good first step.

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Mar 9, 2018 06:51:40   #
Tom G Loc: Atlanta, GA
 
d2b2 wrote:
Those are the worst excuses for the current situation imaginable. If Obama was guilty, then he should be held accountable. But to continually respond by saying that he didn't do it either, is a stupid way of looking at what we know now and what should be done in the future. Whether or not the Russians impacted the e******n does not matter. What matters is what they could potentially do it in the future. And the e******n is not the only issue with respect to Trump and the Russians. Congress mandated sanctions back in October, and Trump has yet to do anything about it. As far as I am concerned, his guilt goes way beyond that of Obama. And I was no fan of Obama, either.
Those are the worst excuses for the current situat... (show quote)


A very cogent, sane, and accurate reply. Thank You !

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Mar 9, 2018 06:58:54   #
Tom G Loc: Atlanta, GA
 
EyeSawYou wrote:
Lol there is no evidence that the Russians meddling changed the outcome of the e******n or any v**es. Also, what did Obama do to combat Russian meddling when he knew they were doing this since 2014? He was in office at the time ya know?


Ya got Tunnel vision. You "stonewall" your beliefs no matter what the situation shows. You are Black & White" guy... No Gray areas for you.

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Mar 9, 2018 07:14:49   #
Tom G Loc: Atlanta, GA
 
d2b2 wrote:
Those are the worst excuses for the current situation imaginable. If Obama was guilty, then he should be held accountable. But to continually respond by saying that he didn't do it either, is a stupid way of looking at what we know now and what should be done in the future. Whether or not the Russians impacted the e******n does not matter. What matters is what they could potentially do it in the future. And the e******n is not the only issue with respect to Trump and the Russians. Congress mandated sanctions back in October, and Trump has yet to do anything about it. As far as I am concerned, his guilt goes way beyond that of Obama. And I was no fan of Obama, either.
Those are the worst excuses for the current situat... (show quote)



Further, while I applaud your message, I am curious about why you were "no fan of Obama"?

Would the word,"supporter" might be more appropriate?

Obama was definitely not "perfect", but in the face of total Republican obstruction, animosity, confrontation, and opposition I think he did a pretty good job.

Especially, striving to ensure all citizens fundamental health care, Obama was opposed by conservatives at every turn. The adjectives above also apply to the Republicans in their efforts to stifle the ACA.

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Mar 9, 2018 07:57:29   #
d2b2 Loc: Catonsville, Maryland, USA
 
Tom G wrote:
Further, while I applaud your message, I am curious about why you were "no fan of Obama"?

Would the word,"supporter" might be more appropriate?

Obama was definitely not "perfect", but in the face of total Republican obstruction, animosity, confrontation, and opposition I think he did a pretty good job.

Especially, striving to ensure all citizens fundamental health care, Obama was opposed by conservatives at every turn. The adjectives above also apply to the Republicans in their efforts to stifle the ACA.
Further, while I applaud your message, I am curiou... (show quote)


I never saw Obama as a "leader". I distinctly remember a huge amount of misinformation coming from both sides of the ACA debate. The vitriol was incredible and as nasty as I ever recall any political debate, potentially outside of the Vietnam debacle. And throughout it all, Obama had a clear opportunity to take some semblance of a strong stance and communicate the issues more clearly than anyone, because he was - outside of Ronald Reagan and perhaps John Kennedy - the most effective communicator ever to have inhabited the White House, in my view. But he did not do that. He seemed to sit back and wait for the final v**e, without exerting much in the way of public leadership, at all. I noted him doing this on other occasions, as well, and for a while, I thought it was me. But historically, a number of Senators and Congressmen from both sides of the aisle have discussed his detachment or refusal to insert himself into that very role. Like his stances or not, and even given the fact that the GOP essentially worked like mad to sabotage any of his legislative initiatives, his was largely a wasted presidency, in many, many ways.

The Democrats seemed to have no idea how to convey a practical approach to anything, or fully define an acceptable and attractive political platform. In part, that is what k**led them in the last e******n.

And as for the ACA, I had the chance to meet with one of the Country's top Health Care Economists (working for hospitals, not the Government,) after the ACA was passed, and I asked her take on the law. She replied that the legislation was desperately needed and that the GOP had derailed any and all efforts for more than twenty years, so the Democrats view was that ANY health care reform was welcome, even if it was a bad one. And everyone around agreed that the ACA was not a good start, but it was something done out of that sense of desperation. The strategy was to get something on the books and then have the chance to make the changes and corrections that would be unquestionably needed, over time. Trump, Ryan and the GOP never wanted any iota of health care reform enacted, at all. They demonstrated this extremely clearly by doing everything they could to k**l it completely, rather than working to determine what could be done to cure the ills of the ACA. They never think about anything in detail; Trump in particular seems to be bent on just wiping out past legislation at every opportunity, without thinking through any of the ramifications.

This is why I have little regard for either political party.

Sorry for the rant. This obviously hits a sensitive set of issues, for me.

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Mar 9, 2018 08:18:17   #
Bunko.T Loc: Western Australia.
 
EyeSawYou wrote:
Lol there is no evidence that the Russians meddling changed the outcome of the e******n or any v**es. Also, what did Obama do to combat Russian meddling when he knew they were doing this since 2014? He was in office at the time ya know?


Oh you blind fools, the rest of the world can see, but you dumb hangers-on keep your eyes closed to the obvious & keep living in the past. Open your "Eyesaws" & wake up.

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Mar 9, 2018 08:37:29   #
Tom G Loc: Atlanta, GA
 
To: d2b2

Thank you for your very explicit and intelligible reply. After I read it a couple of times, and thought about it, You are absolutely right, and I fully agree with you.

My two objections to Obama (although I v**ed for him both times) were:

He should have done more, much more, to stop the slaughter in Syria (although the other part of the "double edged sword" would have been to start another American military campaign). Very difficult decision, but partial involvement has proven worse or just as bad.

In the broader picture, he should have been far more involved in the middle-east crises. Not a pleasant thought, but perhaps, staying in Iraq longer, getting out of Afghanistan were viable options; and, pressuring & threatening Pakistan to cooperate with us would have gone far to defeat Isis.

2nd, Obama had the presence to address the problem of education, unemployment, crime, and concomitant problems rife in the young male Black segment of our population. I feel he did much too little to address these particular issues.

Finally; and yes, neither Republicans or Democrats have the best interests of our country in mind. Specifically, the Republicans are bullies and obstructionists, and the Democrats do not have any idea what they should do. None.

A Pox on both parties.

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Mar 9, 2018 08:50:55   #
Tom G Loc: Atlanta, GA
 
EyeSawYou wrote:
Time will tell who the bigger "god" will be in 7 years time. :)


Hey Eyesore, the "god" remark was a comparison not a "Title". Neither man will be a god in 7 years, but I suspect Obama will be far more respected, and appreciated than Trump in 7 years..., and in 2 years..., and in 3 years..., and in 10 years.

Obama will never be defined as the Best president in history, but Trump is definitely on track for being one of the worst.

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Mar 9, 2018 10:26:05   #
Cykdelic Loc: Now outside of Chiraq & Santa Fe, NM
 
Kmgw9v wrote:
His oath was "to preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution.
He is remiss.



Again.....,This administration has taken some big steps to push back on Russia, including some steps that Obama avoided, such as deciding to arm Ukraine with lethal weapons, and this State Department has consistently criticized Russia for leading, arming, and supporting separatist rebels in eastern Ukraine.

The Obama administration? They sent packaged meals and NEVER provided lethal support to Ukraine.

The Trump administration has kept sanctions in place on Russia that were enacted during the obama admin- and has stated they will remain so until Russia withdraws from eastern Ukraine, abides by the peace deals it pledged to support - known as the Minsk agreements - and returns Crimea to Ukraine.

Oh, in June, the Trump Treasury Department expanded those sanctions to include 38 new individuals and companies, including two Russian officials, for their involvement in the ongoing violence in Ukraine and the occupation of Crimea.

The Trump admin also pushed back hard on Russia with the airstrikes on Russia's client Bashar al-Assad in Syria for the use of chemical weapons AND most recently a second time, k*****g up to 200 Russian mercenaries in the process. It also expanded greatly domestic energy production and sold U.S. liquefied natural gas to counter Russia's energy strong-arming of European neighbors; and added more sanctions on Russian officials for corruption and human rights abuses under the Magnitsky Act.

Oh, one more thing......the Trump administration took the step of expelling a number of Russian diplomats, and more important, shutting down two Russian facilities in New York and Washington and the Russian consulate in San Francisco - reportedly a major spy hub for the country.

Really.....what did obama prior to packing up and getting ready to leave office?

He bent over and whispered to the Russian President that he would have more leeway with Puteeeee after his e******n, and shortly afterward Puteeee invaded Crimea and the Ukraine.

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Mar 9, 2018 14:16:04   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
Joe Blow wrote:
The worst part is even though the Russians hacked our e******n, the White House has done nothing to prevent another instance this year.

Totally deplorable.


Obama knew of the Russian hacking as far back as 2014. What did he do to combat it? When will Obama be held responsible for interfering in the Israeli e******ns. Will he repay the $350,000 of taxpayer dollars he spent with no consent? Will you Liberals hold Obama responsible for no wrongdoing?

Dennis

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