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Jul 13, 2012 07:27:57   #
Taff Loc: wales
 
thememorykeeper wrote:
Hello again fellow Hugs! I need some advice on this picture: this level of grain- it was Kodak Ultramax 400 35mm- is it a developing problem, wrong exposure, not enough resolution when scanned...? I scanned this pic from the negative with an Epson Perfection 3170 Photo. I used the Home Mode not the Pro and really used the settings suggested by the Epson Software. Was shot with a Canon Elan II e with a 70-300 mm lens at 300 mm with Auto-focus on shutter priority at 1/350 of a second. I know someone out there has come across this situation before; I would appreciate any help. Feel free to download the file and magnify it as need it to study it. Editing i fine also. Thanks in advance.
Hello again fellow Hugs! I need some advice on thi... (show quote)


Hi Memory maker, I just had a play with this in Photoshop using the colour balance tool/highlightstool, to be honest it is not a good scan as you rightly say but I hope this helps a bit, Taff

J-peg,cs5/colour balance/higjhlights.
J-peg,cs5/colour balance/higjhlights....

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Jul 13, 2012 10:19:25   #
K7DJJ Loc: Spring Hill, FL
 
I played with it a little in elements and agree that it has a lot of noise.

thememorykeeper wrote:
Hello again fellow Hugs! I need some advice on this picture: this level of grain- it was Kodak Ultramax 400 35mm- is it a developing problem, wrong exposure, not enough resolution when scanned...? I scanned this pic from the negative with an Epson Perfection 3170 Photo. I used the Home Mode not the Pro and really used the settings suggested by the Epson Software. Was shot with a Canon Elan II e with a 70-300 mm lens at 300 mm with Auto-focus on shutter priority at 1/350 of a second. I know someone out there has come across this situation before; I would appreciate any help. Feel free to download the file and magnify it as need it to study it. Editing i fine also. Thanks in advance.
Hello again fellow Hugs! I need some advice on thi... (show quote)



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Jul 13, 2012 12:20:16   #
memorykeeper Loc: Indianapolis, Indiana
 
Thanks for trying, the noise is still there even at 4800 dpi. Could incorrect processing time be the cause? At any rate am trying 2 other good scanners to see.

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Jul 13, 2012 14:03:37   #
mdeman Loc: Damascus, Maryland
 
Try looking at the negative directly with a microscope or really good jewel loupe. If you don't see the same grain on the negative, the problem is your scanner.

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Jul 13, 2012 20:00:26   #
Phreedom Loc: Kitchener, Ontario, Canada
 
thememorykeeper wrote:
Hello again fellow Hugs! I need some advice on this picture: this level of grain- it was Kodak Ultramax 400 35mm- is it a developing problem, wrong exposure, not enough resolution when scanned...? I scanned this pic from the negative with an Epson Perfection 3170 Photo. I used the Home Mode not the Pro and really used the settings suggested by the Epson Software. Was shot with a Canon Elan II e with a 70-300 mm lens at 300 mm with Auto-focus on shutter priority at 1/350 of a second. I know someone out there has come across this situation before; I would appreciate any help. Feel free to download the file and magnify it as need it to study it. Editing i fine also. Thanks in advance.
Hello again fellow Hugs! I need some advice on thi... (show quote)


Here is a fast and dirty job using PSPX4 to warm the picture and push it from the purple side closer to the green...



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Jul 14, 2012 00:41:08   #
memorykeeper Loc: Indianapolis, Indiana
 
mdeman wrote:
Try looking at the negative directly with a microscope or really good jewel loupe. If you don't see the same grain on the negative, the problem is your scanner.


Ok thanks, I will try that but I noticed the same grain in the pics they put on the CD, so that is why am doubting the scanner is at fault. That is the people who developed the film, they also put it on a CD and it looks the same as my scans.

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Jul 14, 2012 00:42:33   #
memorykeeper Loc: Indianapolis, Indiana
 
Phreedom wrote:
thememorykeeper wrote:
Hello again fellow Hugs! I need some advice on this picture: this level of grain- it was Kodak Ultramax 400 35mm- is it a developing problem, wrong exposure, not enough resolution when scanned...? I scanned this pic from the negative with an Epson Perfection 3170 Photo. I used the Home Mode not the Pro and really used the settings suggested by the Epson Software. Was shot with a Canon Elan II e with a 70-300 mm lens at 300 mm with Auto-focus on shutter priority at 1/350 of a second. I know someone out there has come across this situation before; I would appreciate any help. Feel free to download the file and magnify it as need it to study it. Editing i fine also. Thanks in advance.
Hello again fellow Hugs! I need some advice on thi... (show quote)


Here is a fast and dirty job using PSPX4 to warm the picture and push it from the purple side closer to the green...
quote=thememorykeeper Hello again fellow Hugs! I ... (show quote)


It does look better color wise but the excessive grain is still there. Thanks

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Jul 14, 2012 04:55:40   #
glojo Loc: South Devon, England
 
I have the Epson 3590 and I feel everyone is looking at this from the wrong 'end'

If the negative has produced a decent photograph then forget what camera you used, forget what lens you used, forget the dpi you are scanning at.

The Epson software is a devil for producing the exact finish you have posted.

BUT..

If you open up the software there are options to produce a much, much better result. Unfortunately my wife is not here to switch on my scanner but in the meantime open iup the software, remember the settings and then alter them to see what results they produce..

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Jul 14, 2012 15:57:10   #
Phreedom Loc: Kitchener, Ontario, Canada
 
thememorykeeper wrote:
Phreedom wrote:
thememorykeeper wrote:
Hello again fellow Hugs! I need some advice on this picture: this level of grain- it was Kodak Ultramax 400 35mm- is it a developing problem, wrong exposure, not enough resolution when scanned...? I scanned this pic from the negative with an Epson Perfection 3170 Photo. I used the Home Mode not the Pro and really used the settings suggested by the Epson Software. Was shot with a Canon Elan II e with a 70-300 mm lens at 300 mm with Auto-focus on shutter priority at 1/350 of a second. I know someone out there has come across this situation before; I would appreciate any help. Feel free to download the file and magnify it as need it to study it. Editing i fine also. Thanks in advance.
Hello again fellow Hugs! I need some advice on thi... (show quote)


Here is a fast and dirty job using PSPX4 to warm the picture and push it from the purple side closer to the green...
quote=thememorykeeper Hello again fellow Hugs! I ... (show quote)


It does look better color wise but the excessive grain is still there. Thanks
quote=Phreedom quote=thememorykeeper Hello again... (show quote)


ASA 400 film is high speed and thus much grainier than 50 or 100. Eye ball the negatives for graininess. Increasing the scanner's resolution or ppi won't improve on that. The scanner can only scan what it sees and then we blow it up when printing. But of course, color can be worked on.

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Jul 14, 2012 17:04:39   #
glojo Loc: South Devon, England
 
Phreedom wrote:
ASA 400 film is high speed and thus much grainier than 50 or 100. Eye ball the negatives for graininess. Increasing the scanner's resolution or ppi won't improve on that. The scanner can only scan what it sees and then we blow it up when printing. But of course, color can be worked on.

Hi Phreedom,
My scanner is switched off and awkward for my wife to access, do you own an Epson scanner because the software I have offers excellent options and I have seen the EXACT same issue with my first attempts at scanning negatives with my Epson scanner.. A quick tweak with the options and hey presto .. Acceptable results.

These very old negatives on first scanning were awfully grainy but when tweaking or fine tuning the Epson scanner settings I got these digital pictures from a really old 35mm, cheap, basic camera. They are possibly of the same quality as the printed images, but my first attempts were at least as bad as those we see from the OP.





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Jul 14, 2012 18:04:13   #
Phreedom Loc: Kitchener, Ontario, Canada
 
glojo wrote:
Phreedom wrote:
ASA 400 film is high speed and thus much grainier than 50 or 100. Eye ball the negatives for graininess. Increasing the scanner's resolution or ppi won't improve on that. The scanner can only scan what it sees and then we blow it up when printing. But of course, color can be worked on.

Hi Phreedom,
My scanner is switched off and awkward for my wife to access, do you own an Epson scanner because the software I have offers excellent options and I have seen the EXACT same issue with my first attempts at scanning negatives with my Epson scanner.. A quick tweak with the options and hey presto .. Acceptable results.

These very old negatives on first scanning were awfully grainy but when tweaking or fine tuning the Epson scanner settings I got these digital pictures from a really old 35mm, cheap, basic camera. They are possibly of the same quality as the printed images, but my first attempts were at least as bad as those we see from the OP.
quote=Phreedom ASA 400 film is high speed and thu... (show quote)


Hey, glojo,
I don't use an Epson scanner, I have an HP 4850 flatbed. I've scanned old prints, slides and negatives but never experienced (to my eye) graininess although Ektachrome slides do tend to appear as somewhat underexposed. It would be interesting to see a before and after comparison of grain removal or reduction through scanner adjustments.
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