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Feb 11, 2018 09:24:28   #
rmalarz Loc: Tempe, Arizona
 
I'd suggest looking at G-Technologies drives. http://www.g-technology.com

Oh, and that's RAID (Redundant Array of Independent Disks)
--Bob

dyximan wrote:
I have a Mac with some 83,000 plus photos both RAW and Jpg My 1 TB HD and 2TB external drive are almost full. I was told I might want to consider at least a 4 TB external and possibly larger 8TB, and in a RAD configuration, which as I understand it is a backup to my backup but in the same drive like a server. Any suggetions comments as what brand to buy and the features to look for, I am willing to spend 500 or so as needed, any advice would be appreciated.

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Feb 11, 2018 09:41:39   #
BobHartung Loc: Bettendorf, IA
 
dyximan wrote:
Or would I be better off with 2 seperate external drives and keep one offsite and back it up say weekly and then remove from my home for safe keeping.


Start by reading about the pros and cons of RAID storage (RAID not RAD). Educate yourself then you will at least have some understanding of what you are about.

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Feb 11, 2018 09:56:18   #
Picture Taker Loc: Michigan Thumb
 
I would buy the biggest drive and use it for storage and use you old drive for a working or temporary drive.

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Feb 11, 2018 10:14:09   #
cactuspic Loc: Dallas, TX
 
It is difficult to be over protective of your images. I do a bunch of focus stacking and birds and have a run rate of 50,000 images/year. My oldest images are stored on two 4TB hard drives. More current images are stored on a Drobo. My Lightroom catalog is stored on a SSD. Everything is backed up to onsite but offline drives as well as to a set of drives I keep offsite. For additional protection my essential images and the last year’s images are automatically backed up daily to a drive by Carbon Cloner, which I then copy on a regular basis and move offsite.

It sounds like overkill, right? During the past 3 years, I had a Drobo fry. Additionally I had one of the HDs with old images die and found out the onsite backup was defective. I restored all of my data without losing an image because of the redundancy.

When you consider our investment in our equipment from camera bags to software....When you consider the investment of time and self... When you consider losing the memories and income stream (for some of us)...then the price we pay for backing up is cheap. There is one sad truth in the digital world, all harddrives will eventually die.

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Feb 11, 2018 10:16:20   #
photohelp
 
Congratulations on thinking about back up storage of your photos. I lost all of mine (and everything else) in a fire so I am paranoid about it. We found that we could replace most things but not the photos so our record of 20 years of travel and family photos was lost forever. I presently use two servers each with four 4TB HD’s in raid 5 configurations in a fire resistant room plus 2 4TB HD's in a fire resistant safe on the property and another one in our safe deposit box at the bank. While enterprise level HD's are clearly better, I have been using top level non-enterprise disks for more than 10 years without even one failure. Remember, our use is very light compared to commercial use. I use only HGST and avoid Seagate after their disaster with 3TB disks. Here is one comparison of extremely high use HD failures. https://www.backblaze.com/blog/hard-drive-stats-for-2017/. The lower cost of regular disks allows me to use more duplication which better protects against the various risks of hacking (i.e., ramsonware), computer failure, disk failure, fire, and theft.

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Feb 11, 2018 10:18:30   #
Picture Taker Loc: Michigan Thumb
 
I use 2 separate sets (total of 4) of driver. Matched pair of as taken by date and a matched pair of final saved. Also a working drive for in process.

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Feb 11, 2018 10:20:36   #
tomad Loc: North Carolina
 
chrisg-optical wrote:
BTW on Amazon Prime, they offer unlimited storage for image files


Really? I'm a prime member and didn't know that. Do they offer unlimited storage of any size images at no extra cost other than the prime membership?

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Feb 11, 2018 10:22:58   #
TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC
 
KC Thompson wrote:
I strongly recommend AGAINST going with a cloud solution for pictures. I had over a TB stored with Crash Plan. When one of my drives died, I asked for them to send me my images. They claimed their policy had changed from when I first went with them 3 years before. They would only stream the images to me - they would not send me the single drive's worth but the entire TB. Even if I was in an urban area vice here in the country with a DSL connection, it would have taken years to get the images back out of the cloud, tying up my lines at the same time. With no way of getting my images back, I had to allow them to delete them. I'm still upset about it. Today, I am using the computer's hard drive for this year's images with a 6 TB drive for backup and a second 6 TB backup that I update periodically and then leave unplugged. I understand that the best solution of all these days is a solid state drive vice one with a spinning disk as I'm using now. They last for years - at least that's what I'm told - with low risk of failure. I may ultimately go to that solution. It is too painful to lose years of work.
I strongly recommend AGAINST going with a cloud so... (show quote)


If the best you can do is a DSL connection, then I wouldn’t be using the cloud either. In fact, DSL is so slow (and so 20 years out of date), that I’m surprised it doesn’t drive you nuts just surfing the Internet. If you live in parts of the country where there is no reasonable internet service, then the cloud is not a good solution. BUT, if you’re one of the majority of the population that live where high speed Internet is a possibility, then the story is very different. Assuming you have access to Gbit internet, offered in many parts of the country, and assuming maybe an actual download speed of half that, you could download the whole 3Tb in about 14 hours. Considering that Gbit internet (125 MBytes/sec) is very similar to the rated read speed of a SATA HD, it’s not only the most robust and safest archive/DR storage you can buy, the speed is very similar to local storage IF you have high speed internet. Even at slower speeds like the 300Mb down and 60Mb up that I use and that’s readily available in many cities, it doesn’t slow my workflow at all - just backup overnight. And in the event of a local catastrophic failure, I’m betting that a day or less to restore all your data will seem like a very good deal.

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Feb 11, 2018 10:43:36   #
rgrenaderphoto Loc: Hollywood, CA
 
PACSMAN wrote:
Another vote for the Synology RAID. I've been running one for several years and it's your best protection against a drive failure. I disagree that a RAID is dangerous, you still need to have a good offsite backup no matter what method you use for storage.


I have my photographs in my Dropbox folder, which resides on the Drobo RAID array. Everything is doubly backed up in real time, on site and off site.

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Feb 11, 2018 10:49:59   #
tomad Loc: North Carolina
 
chrisg-optical wrote:
BTW on Amazon Prime, they offer unlimited storage for image files


Wow, thanks chrisg. I looked it up on my Amazon account and you are correct. I am backing up 50,000 photos right now to the Amazon cloud. This is worth my Prime membership cost alone! BTW, I saved around $500 in 2 day shipping costs last year and use Amazon video and music daily. Prime is worth extra penny and photo backup is icing on the cake!

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Feb 11, 2018 10:55:48   #
cjc2 Loc: Hellertown PA
 
TriX wrote:
As a start, without getting into a more detailed storage conversation, I would use 2 (4TB or larger) enterprise quality (such as HGST or Western Digital RE ) drives in a RAID 1 (mirrored) configuration. If these are external, I would want them in a fan cooled enclosure with its own power supply. Then, I would put another copy of my data for DR (disaster recovery) in a major cloud provider (Amazon S3, Google, Microsoft, Apple, etc.). The next step up would be an externally connected RAID array or a NAS, but that’s a more detailed discussion. Just don’t get cheap on the quality of your hard drives - you want enterprise-class drives which may cost $200 each, NOT the $69 cheap crap (you get what you pay for). NOTHING is more important than the data/images that you invested many thousands of $ in equipment and your invaluable time to produce.
As a start, without getting into a more detailed s... (show quote)


This is SOLID, and very good, advice. Best of luck.

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Feb 11, 2018 11:00:48   #
cjc2 Loc: Hellertown PA
 
Gene51 wrote:
If you are set on RAID, I suggest you look into Synology. They offer great software, scalable solutions, and excellent support.


I also use Synology NAS devices and have a 2, 4 and 8 drive systems which are tasked for separate purposes. All of my drives, which range from 4TB to 10TB, are either WD Red or Seagate IronWolf. Best of luck.

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Feb 11, 2018 11:11:31   #
hpucker99 Loc: Anchorage, Alaska
 
dyximan wrote:
I have a Mac with some 83,000 plus photos both RAW and Jpg My 1 TB HD and 2TB external drive are almost full. I was told I might want to consider at least a 4 TB external and possibly larger 8TB, and in a RAD configuration, which as I understand it is a backup to my backup but in the same drive like a server. Any suggetions comments as what brand to buy and the features to look for, I am willing to spend 500 or so as needed, any advice would be appreciated.


Another option is to use a RAID from Otherworld Computing. They have a Mercury Elite Pro Dual series that can be set up as a RAID 1 mirrored drives.

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Feb 11, 2018 11:19:41   #
TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC
 
Also, if you’re considering a RAID array, it would be very nice if you could find a consumer grade machine capable of running RAID 3, by far the best/fastest RAID level for large sequential files like imagery. Anyone know of one?

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Feb 11, 2018 11:37:22   #
PACSMAN Loc: MA
 
TriX wrote:
Also, if you’re considering a RAID array, it would be very nice if you could find a consumer grade machine capable of running RAID 3, by far the best/fastest RAID level for large sequential files like imagery. Anyone know of one?


I don't know anyone that's using RAID 3, but this will support most common RAIDs at a reasonable price. I have this model and it runs great:
https://www.synology.com/en-us/products/DS918+

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