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Feb 10, 2018 14:22:13   #
TheShoe Loc: Lacey, WA
 
leftj wrote:
Since when does anyone with a brain believe what Newsweek reports.

The same time he or she believes anything reported as news on Fox News.

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Feb 10, 2018 14:23:06   #
Bill Emmett Loc: Bow, New Hampshire
 
I'd like to chime into this sales tax discussion. I did not read all the posts in this thread due to the amount of pages. But, it is important for all you folks read up on the United States Constitution. Specifically, the Section dealing Interstate Commerce. This makes it illegal for States to impose a tax on interstate commerce. One of the reasons companies like Amazon will collect sales taxes is that a deal was struck between Amazon and the States to allow Amazon to keep a portion of the collected sales tax to pay for the cost of collecting the tax. Companies, and individuals will not take on these States for their illegal taxing over State lines, because of the legal fees, since the amount of money involved would make these State to take the challenge to the U.S. Supreme Court. You could move to equally beautiful State as Colorado, like New Hampshire, no sales tax, no State income tax.

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Feb 10, 2018 14:23:53   #
Shutterbug57
 
Indiana wrote:
Well, I don't think this issue has anything to do with "tax cheats". When I buy from Amazon or any other on line seller, they specify the terms of purchase, not me. If they say there are no sales tax or shipping costs, those are their terms, not mine. If I comply with their terms, just as I did when I bought my 850 from ProPhoto online, and they stipulate there is no tax or shipping charges, those are the terms and conditions of the purchase...and has nothing to do with me, or anyone else, being a tax cheat.
Well, I don't think this issue has anything to do ... (show quote)


From the Indiana personal tax return instructions.


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Feb 10, 2018 14:25:48   #
Shutterbug57
 
Bill Emmett wrote:
I'd like to chime into this sales tax discussion. I did not read all the posts in this thread due to the amount of pages. But, it is important for all you folks read up on the United States Constitution. Specifically, the Section dealing Interstate Commerce. This makes it illegal for States to impose a tax on interstate commerce. One of the reasons companies like Amazon will collect sales taxes is that a deal was struck between Amazon and the States to allow Amazon to keep a portion of the collected sales tax to pay for the cost of collecting the tax. Companies, and individuals will not take on these States for their illegal taxing over State lines, because of the legal fees, since the amount of money involved would make these State to take the challenge to the U.S. Supreme Court. You could move to equally beautiful State as Colorado, like New Hampshire, no sales tax, no State income tax.

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I'd like to chime into this sales tax discussion. ... (show quote)


That’s tarrifs dude, not sales tax. The point was to not allow states to put up preferential treatment for companies in their state versus competitors in other states. Sales tax does not do that.

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Feb 10, 2018 14:25:59   #
TonyBot
 
henryp wrote:
That's because we opened a warehouse in NJ.


Henry is correct: the consequences of *not* collecting/reporting the sales tax in states that require it is simple - you can't do business here! It's too bad, but I'm sure that B&H (or any company) isn't going to say "we don't like that, its extra work for us, we'll just not do business there". Luckily, I live in a state with no sales tax (well, mostly), so I don't have to be concerned - and I am also lucky that the only local camera store will almost always match, dollar for dollar, prices with any one of the "ABC" outfits. Buy where you have to, but do not blame B&H for laws your state made!

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Feb 10, 2018 14:32:05   #
chrissybabe Loc: New Zealand
 
Forgot to mention my biggest bitch with the US. Self inflicted I might add. It is your habit of sueing anybody and everybody over almost anything. Actually that isn't the biggest beef it is the awards your silly people give to the suers. The result of this is that Microsoft, Apple, and I am sure camera manufacturers won't front up and tell you when there are problems because they don't want to get sued. They just do nothing and wait until it goes away. So everybody who notices a problem, finds nothing online so tries to fix it themselves thus wasting so much time that the time used up by the second WW pales by comparison. Said big companies then fix the problem with their next update often not even mentioning ALL the fixes involved. So they don't get sued in a class action. But I waste weeks in trying to fix something because they won't acknowledge it. This drifts from the subject but still shows how something that has an obvious solution still won't have the obvious answer taken. Same as the Sales Tax issue.

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Feb 10, 2018 14:43:55   #
LWW Loc: Banana Republic of America
 
I was recently in NYC and ate lunch at the airport just before boarding.

I immediately transported said lunch with me back to Ohio.

Why should I pay NY tax when I immediately left NY and why should I pay Ohio tax when I didn’t buy it there?

See how ridiculous the issue is when applied to something else?

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Feb 10, 2018 14:47:50   #
pendennis
 
Bill Emmett wrote:
I'd like to chime into this sales tax discussion. I did not read all the posts in this thread due to the amount of pages. But, it is important for all you folks read up on the United States Constitution. Specifically, the Section dealing Interstate Commerce. This makes it illegal for States to impose a tax on interstate commerce. One of the reasons companies like Amazon will collect sales taxes is that a deal was struck between Amazon and the States to allow Amazon to keep a portion of the collected sales tax to pay for the cost of collecting the tax. Companies, and individuals will not take on these States for their illegal taxing over State lines, because of the legal fees, since the amount of money involved would make these State to take the challenge to the U.S. Supreme Court. You could move to equally beautiful State as Colorado, like New Hampshire, no sales tax, no State income tax.

B
I'd like to chime into this sales tax discussion. ... (show quote)


The tax collected on goods purchased out of state by an individual, is a use tax. It's based on the goods being used in that state. And it's a separately defined tax than a sales tax, which is a tax collected from merchants on goods sold within the state. A use tax is in no way considered any type of "interstate" tax covered by the Commerce Clause.

There is the "Full Faith and Credit" clause (Article IV, Section 1) which requires that states recognize the laws of the others. However, this is governed by the will of Congress to pass laws enforcing the clause.

Amazon also has brick and mortar presences in many states. Various state laws have been upheld to require Amazon to collect sales taxes for those jurisdictions. How Amazon chooses to deal with particular states, is a matter between Amazon and those states.

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Feb 10, 2018 14:55:18   #
Shutterbug57
 
LWW wrote:
I was recently in NYC and ate lunch at the airport just before boarding.

I immediately transported said lunch with me back to Ohio.

Why should I pay NY tax when I immediately left NY and why should I pay Ohio tax when I didn’t buy it there?

See how ridiculous the issue is when applied to something else?


You are right, something is ridiculous here, but it is not the tax laws.

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Feb 10, 2018 14:55:24   #
BruceLR Loc: Shoreline (Seattle), WA
 
Putting aside the argument about voluntary payment of use taxes on out of state purchases I do feel a sense of discomfort with the idea of an out of state business that has no ties to your state taking it upon themselves to report your purchases directly to the government.


Gene51 wrote:
Colorado must be leaning on them heavily. I thought the state is in the black, thanks to the nascent Green industry? If Colorado is really aggressive about this, expect to hear from most other out of state businesses that send a lot of product to CO. Or pay your local USE tax like a good little photographer. Be happy if they don't go after your purchase history and demand that you pay what you owe in tax and the penalties. Like North Dakota tried to do with Quill, an office supplies company. The case was tried before the Supreme Court, and ND lost because having an 800 ordering number did not constitute a Nexus in ND (or anywhere else), and that allowing ND to demand and collect sales tax from Quill and other companies would have set a precedent that would have allowed the 6,000 unique tax districts to follow suit (no pun intended), and it would have resulted in bureaucratic chaos and a huge negative impact on interstate commerce.

https://taxfoundation.org/important-tax-cases-quill-corp-v-north-dakota-and-physical-presence-rule-sales-tax-collection/
Colorado must be leaning on them heavily. I though... (show quote)

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Feb 10, 2018 14:59:29   #
Rab-Eye Loc: Indiana
 
Cookie223 wrote:
So yes, if I can save some money that's been frivolously wasted on dead beats, and other wasteful programs, then yes I'm a cheat too.


Rationalize it all you want. The above says all that needs to be said. You cheat on your taxes.

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Feb 10, 2018 15:04:45   #
LWW Loc: Banana Republic of America
 
BruceLR wrote:
Putting aside the argument about voluntary payment of use taxes on out of state purchases I do feel a sense of discomfort with the idea of an out of state business that has no ties to your state taking it upon themselves to report your purchases directly to the government.


Please pay attention.

They are not doing this because they want to.

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Feb 10, 2018 15:05:09   #
TonyBot
 
Shutterbug57 wrote:
From the Indiana personal tax return instructions.


If you think the Colorado tax is onerous, check that graphic from Indiana. By that law, if you come visit me, buy a camera (or even a cheap lens cap for the one you lost) you have to report it and pay the taxes! Now that stinks!

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Feb 10, 2018 15:06:13   #
LWW Loc: Banana Republic of America
 
Shutterbug57 wrote:
You are right, something is ridiculous here, but it is not the tax laws.


Should I invest in a sarcasm sign?

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Feb 10, 2018 15:20:07   #
Shutterbug57
 
LWW wrote:
Should I invest in a sarcasm sign?


Well, I missed the [sarc].

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