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Feb 10, 2018 13:29:22   #
Bobsphoto
 
I live in Colorado where they have been trying to tax online for years because of our squirrely TABOR (Taxpayer Bill of Rights) that messes up government finance. If they can find any local nexus to tax a transaction they will. The flip side is that it is how our local governments are funded, so while I like to save money, I also like shopping local at bricks and mortar such as Mike's because I appreciate the service and being able to see what I am getting.

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Feb 10, 2018 13:32:31   #
dragonfist Loc: Stafford, N.Y.
 
Larryshuman wrote:
Fire, police are funded through property taxes and not sales tax. In fact the local schools, police and fire are all funded through property taxes, I have never been married, have no kids so why do I pay 66% of my property tax to the schools which stopped teaching cursive writing a couple of years ago? I would have no problem paying property tax for police & fire. I don't work any more, I don't files taxes so in everything I do I'm looking to avoid sales tax. When I bought my Nikon 200~500 lens I bought it in Indianapolis and avoided sales tax. When I bought my 600mmF:4 G VR off Fred Miranda.com and no sales tax here either. In my financial position I have to operate this way to costs down.
Fire, police are funded through property taxes and... (show quote)


I have always looked at it this way. The school taxes I am now paying are to cover my k-12 education costs when I was in school. A lot of those that funded my education had no children in school either. We have a fine school system here and I gladly pay my dues every year.

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Feb 10, 2018 13:33:54   #
LWW Loc: Banana Republic of America
 
anderzander wrote:
... no new taxes when Reagon ran for office, with in a year taxes went, up. T


Read a history book.

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Feb 10, 2018 13:35:09   #
Dngallagher Loc: Wilmington De.
 
BobHartung wrote:
Yes but big ticket items are all sold at MSRP. So no savings in base price there.


FWIW - when it comes to big ticket items, like camera bodies and other mfg controlled price things, I will buy local from a favorite store, but if I can save $40.00 on a $100.00 item, I am going internet thank you.

Living & shopping in a no tax state also gives me a little benefit :)

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Feb 10, 2018 13:36:23   #
Bill_de Loc: US
 
Indiana wrote:
Well, I don't think this issue has anything to do with "tax cheats". When I buy from Amazon or any other on line seller, they specify the terms of purchase, not me. If they say there are no sales tax or shipping costs, those are their terms, not mine. If I comply with their terms, just as I did when I bought my 850 from ProPhoto online, and they stipulate there is no tax or shipping charges, those are the terms and conditions of the purchase...and has nothing to do with me, or anyone else, being a tax cheat.
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Amazon does not write your state's tax code. Amazon is only telling you that they do not collect it for your state. Amazon doesn't pave your roads, provide police protection, fund your courts, etc.

I'd love to be in court when somebody tells the judge that Amazon said they don't have to pay taxes.

I believe, unless you just got off the boat, that you already knew that. And if you didn't, remember that ignorance of the law is no defense.

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Feb 10, 2018 13:37:33   #
LWW Loc: Banana Republic of America
 
Shutterbug57 wrote:
Ok, so you want a ndw D850 with grip, D5 battery & charger along with a few memory cards. Pre-tax your tab hits $4,500. You can buy it from B&H for $4,500 out the door and owe your state $337.50 (@7.5%) and have to remember that at tax time or risk getting fines and penalties. Jobs are in NYC and you have not supported your local economy at all past paying the postman. Or, you could go to the LCS, pay them the $4,837.50 and not have to remember anything. If you have an issue, you can easily go back to the store and have them address/remedy the issue. You are also creating jobs locally with the camera store, landlord, utilities and other local businesses that support retailers. You also keep 5he $$ in your local economy and they get spent and respect where you live, not in NYC.

My LCS will match B&H prices and I gladly support them. I only mail order when the LCS doesn’t carry something and is not interested in getting it in. I would rather stimulate the local economy than Park my $$ in NYC. YMMV.
Ok, so you want a ndw D850 with grip, D5 battery &... (show quote)


Stop making sense, it offends some of our friends here.

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Feb 10, 2018 13:38:16   #
Dngallagher Loc: Wilmington De.
 
Bill_de wrote:
Amazon does not write your state's tax code. Amazon is only telling you that they do not collect it for your state. Amazon doesn't pave your roads, provide police protection, fund your courts, etc.

I'd love to be in court when somebody tells the judge that Amazon said they don't have to pay taxes.

I believe, unless you just got off the boat, that you already knew that. And if you didn't, remember that ignorance of the law is no defense.

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Ohhh, I don't know... ignorance MIGHT be a defense these days!

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Feb 10, 2018 13:39:35   #
Cookie223 Loc: New Jersey
 
gpman wrote:
buy from adorama


If you live in NY or NJ Adorama will charge a state tax.

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Feb 10, 2018 13:40:44   #
Bill_de Loc: US
 
Dngallagher wrote:
Ohhh, I don't know... ignorance MIGHT be a defense these days!


You are right of course. I neglected to include ignorance of the judges.

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Feb 10, 2018 14:03:31   #
Rab-Eye Loc: Indiana
 
Jakebrake wrote:
Now I know we are supposed to pay the state taxes voluntarily on our purchases from out of state businesses, but I believe not many do, at least I didn't until now.


So you were knowingly breaking the law. Where is the honor in that?

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Feb 10, 2018 14:06:30   #
Cookie223 Loc: New Jersey
 
Jakebrake wrote:
Apparently I'm in the minority here in taking advantage of not paying my states sales tax on internet purchases. My initial post simply asked if anyone else had received a letter from B&H like I did, and would be in the future be making my purchases locally through a brick and mortar store, Mike's Camera. (which I thought would make many of you happy) I guess now I'm a 'tax cheat' for not promptly forwarding this money to the state of Colorado on all of my online purchases for the last 10 or so years. To those of you who have showed me the error of my ways, consider me properly chastised. Make no mistake about it, I don't have an issue with paying my taxes. What I do have an issue with is the bloated bureaucracy's, taxing for one thing, then using it for another, senseless and redundant programs and using my hard earned dollars the fed, state and local take to advance absurd programs like the mating habits of the blue nosed bottle fly.
Apparently I'm in the minority here in taking adva... (show quote)


Boy did you start a fire storm! I can'y believe how a simple comment has blown so much out of proportion. I guess I'm a minority too. If we were able to select what our taxes are used for, I'd pick for the fed's, SS, money towards the security of our great country, affordable health care for the elderly (who worked and paid taxes) and the repairs of our interstate highways. As for the state taxes, I would select, police, firemen, and other emergency responders. and the up keep of all roads. I would select that my tax money would not pay for people who are on welfare and keep having kids, and illegals who are abusing our generosity (which our elected officials created). BTW, NJ just mandated that Rutgers use tax payer dollars to fund a think tank to understand gun violence! There is so much data collected on this subject already that you can fill a library

I have been paying tax's just like everyone on this forum has for over 50 years. I'm now retired, and even though I'm fortunate to have secondary medical coverage, I still have to pay for medicare, Government prescription which I also don't need, and get taxed on my SS too!

So yes, if I can save some money that's been frivolously wasted on dead beats, and other wasteful programs, then yes I'm a cheat too.

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Feb 10, 2018 14:09:12   #
chrissybabe Loc: New Zealand
 
wds0410 wrote:
With all due respect, nobody cares what you think about our system. I think its just rude for foreigners who don't live here to offer their opinions on things they just don't understand. Things are just different here - not better, not worse, different.


Just because I am a foreigner doesn't mean I have to like how you do things. I accept things are different there, we have equally stupid different issues in our own country. I may debate whether things are "different" over there but this is the longest thread I have yet seen on UHH so the subject is very polarizing. I guess my point is just how hard it is to fix something that needs fixing because people let vested interests and total lack of commonsense get in the way of the best solution to a problem. A big part of this is caused by being in a capitalistic system. Your state sales tax system and the problems it is going to give you are being paralleled by our GST system. We have a GST system that is exactly the same as a Sales Tax system but they couldn't call it Sales Tax system because they did away with the Sales Tax system earlier and would have felt idiots bringing it back again. Politicians forget that we have things called "memory". The revenue extractors here don't know how to make GST payable on out of country purchases so they are trying to make it somebody elses problem with how the mechanics of it work.
I can see that as out of state, or out of country, purchases gather steam their efforts to gather the tax will become so onerous as to make life impossible with the red tape. Voluntary declarations ? You have to be kidding !
Americans interfere so much in external events that you are obviously concerned about things that happen outside the US so why can't we be concerned in the opposite direction ?

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Feb 10, 2018 14:10:04   #
Shutterbug57
 
Indiana wrote:
Well, I don't think this issue has anything to do with "tax cheats". When I buy from Amazon or any other on line seller, they specify the terms of purchase, not me. If they say there are no sales tax or shipping costs, those are their terms, not mine. If I comply with their terms, just as I did when I bought my 850 from ProPhoto online, and they stipulate there is no tax or shipping charges, those are the terms and conditions of the purchase...and has nothing to do with me, or anyone else, being a tax cheat.
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Good luck with that logic. In most states you are legally responsible for paying the tax. The stores collect it and remit because the states demand it and can more easily audit them, but the liability is yours. If you are deliberately not paying the tax to the state, you are, in fact, a tax cheat. Look it up.

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Feb 10, 2018 14:12:44   #
ChaplainPlato Loc: Florida
 
" Now I know we are supposed to pay the state taxes voluntarily on our purchases from out of state businesses, but I believe not many do not"

With all respect to your rage at a company that is responding to the new rules, in the "greatest, most fabulous, really great - I'm tellin' ya, no other country has a greater tax deal", Pay your taxes. If that means you go and support the local guys then that's great, but you had little respect for your local guys for years because you could duck taxes. This is how we got into this tax deal, the rich looking out for themselves and the regular Joes being duped into thinking the middle-class is somehow better off. Just remember, companies did not have to report your transactions prior to the new tax deal. So this now becomes a middle-class tax that includes every income range. New tax buddy. Pay your freeking taxes! It costs a lot to keep this place operational and the rich guys ain't payin' a fair share.

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Feb 10, 2018 14:14:41   #
pendennis
 
Tom Daniels wrote:
To sum up what I am reading on this post it appears that their is such confusion about sales tax that no one knows what to do.
The IRS collects tax from most American's and then starves the states. And then a state like PA starves parts of the states politically.
The schools of their major cities in PA have not gotten what they need from the state back. Our current government is after school lunches
for very poor children. They just borrowed debt for trillions to advance tax relief for the very richest people. And they will be coming
for SS and medicare reductions soon. Tax should go to our states and our country for what we really need.
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The states are not starved by the IRS from collection of Federal Income Taxes. The distribution of tax collections among the states is a function of either the state legislatures through legislation or by state constitutional mandates. That the state legislature "starves" local government is a political issue, not moral. The states have a finite amount of revenue from all sources, whether from state or local collections, and everyone of these jurisdictions never have enough, whether for schools, safety, roads, etc. And, like thieves, they spend their waking hours trying to figure out how to squeeze another dime from the local taxpayers. Any time people don't like the way their state and local tax dollars are spent, the next election is only months away.

Each and every time someone decides they need more constituent votes to remain in office, that someone creates another "program" to provide a benefit to a chosen constituency; whether school lunches, general welfare programs, computers for schools, or other "worthy" ideas. It's not the dearth of tax money, it's the absolute waste and corruption at every level of government. And they can always count on guilt to try and shame taxpayers into paying more.

As an example, just whose responsibility is it to insure that children are fed breakfast and lunch? This is what the nanny state is all about, and it grows every year, regardless who's in power.

The top 50% of taxpayers pay over 97% of all Federal income taxes.

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