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Feb 10, 2018 10:09:15   #
chaman
 
david vt wrote:
Not high enough!!! As someone whom regularly reviews my out-of-state purchases when I do my state taxes, and pays the alternative use tax, I do feel entitled to call it as it is - tax cheating!. These taxes pay for the roads your big brown truck drives down to deliver your packages, the schools your kids (or grandkids) go to, the police and fire departments that protect you, and more

While I am all in favor of each person finding every legal means to lower their tax bill, why do you feel entitled to break the law?

As for the mail-order businesses, their day in court is coming. They know people routinely compare net delivered prices, so they can raise prices, knowing the many (most?) will “do the wrong thing” and not take into account paying those required sales/use taxes and profit - literally- from the difference. I think the courts will overturn the precident that banned this, and the technology certainly exists for the online platforms to properly collect by zip code and remit the proper amount to the right jurisdictions.

I know this is just MHO, but seeing my property and state taxes continue to rise knowing that local businesses are closing (depriving governments at all levels - local,state, and federal this revenue) due to this unfair completion combined with people feeling “entitled” to break the law and not pay their fair share, if you are in this (hopefully) minority - shame on you.
Not high enough!!! As someone whom regularly rev... (show quote)


I just love to hear people like you running their mouths, love the condescending attitudes....know why? because the higher the horse the worse the fall.

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Feb 10, 2018 10:11:52   #
mainshipper Loc: Hernando, Florida
 
Kmgw9v wrote:
I live in Florida, have spent thousands at B&H, and not paid sales tax---"tax avoidance"
But if confronted, I will, without whining, pay the tax and continue to frequent B&H.
B&H has always served me well.


Ditto!!!

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Feb 10, 2018 10:16:55   #
lautenk2
 
Jakebrake wrote:
So far I haven't been charged sales tax from Amazon, however I see the writing on the wall and expect, not in the too distant future tax will be collected and forwarded to the states on all online purchases. It's just a matter of time as the states see all of this revenue they are missing out on to waste.

I think you haven't been paying close enough attention to make that statement, but you're not wrong. I moved to Colorado 2 years ago. Amazon has been collecting sales tax for CO the whole time I've been here for orders where the vendor is Amazon.

If you order from a third party vendor through Amazon, even if your purchase is "fulfilled" by Amazon and shipped from an Amazon distribution center (and all that info is provided to you during the ordering process), it seems to be up to the individual third party vendor whether or not they collect CO sales tax, and most don't. For example, you can purchase from Adorama, Cameta, and many other well known vendors, through Amazon, and not be charged tax if the delivery is in CO. If you order the same item, on the same Amazon website and the vendor is Amazon instead of a third party vendor, Amazon does collect the CO tax.

I read a news story just last week about Massachusetts either winning a lawsuit or otherwise coming to some agreement after a long fight with Amazon whereby Amazon will provide the Commonwealth with all the purchase information on deliveries to MA that haven't collected tax, specifically including third party vendor orders. So, the party is over in MA. I'm only surprised that California didn't beat them to it, since CA already forced Amazon to collect sales tax starting around 2012, maybe earlier, but with the third party vendor loophole. I think CA was first to do that, but maybe I was only paying attention to it because I lived in CA at that time. A side effect was that buying from third party vendors through Amazon suddenly became a lot more popular in CA, go figure. The same arrangement was in effect in CO when I got here. Like Jakebrake said, the writing is on the wall. If MA can do this, so can every other commonwealth and state, and they will. Soon. Amazon is the target now because they are the largest, but after this all the states will go after the next largest internet vendor.

It's not worth complaining about. We got a free ride for several years, and now things will be soon be back to normal. BTW, I don't like to see local shops closed either, but correcting the unfair advantage of no sales tax will not entirely fix that. Small shops in every industry have been severely challenged by big-box stores and internet sales (and before that, catalog mail order vendors who then blossomed with the internet) even in states with no sales tax, so why would that not continue?

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Feb 10, 2018 10:18:14   #
leftj Loc: Texas
 
david vt wrote:
You get no arguement from me on this front! Much of what government does, especially as one climbs from local to county to state to federal, is wasteful or not-needed, and should be fought vigorously either directly or through electing people whom share this view.

That said, it is moot vs this thread. The law is what it is, and a person whom cheats on their taxes by not paying what is do shifts the burden on me and the rest of your neighbors. Are you willing to stand next to them, look them in the eye, and tell them they need to pay higher taxes as you feel entitled to cheat and not pay your legally required share?
You get no arguement from me on this front! Much... (show quote)


Talk about moot!

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Feb 10, 2018 10:22:47   #
katherineivey Loc: Corinth, Texas
 
That may be a contributing factor to stores going out of business but the biggest factor is the cost of overhead to brick and mortar stores. Hard to compete with virtual stores. Here in TX we are not required to pay a "use tax" on online purchases. Probably because we have no state Income tax. But more and more online merchants are collecting TX sales taxes. All this being said, the state will get it's money. Don't get me started on how ridiculously high our property taxes are!
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Feb 10, 2018 10:24:30   #
david vt Loc: Vermont
 
tiphareth51 wrote:
Unfortunately there is only one brick and mortar camera store in my home town. It's return policy is not the best in my humble opinion. Shopping on-line at B&H is a much better experience..no hassle and a great return policy!.


Absolutely agree. Online shopping has given us all unprecedented access to all sorts of goods, and competition, either from on-line stores or big box stores, is fair game. one needs to complete on price vs product/service/support offered. Some may chose local for those reasons. Some may weigh the options and buy online. Frankly, all fine choices at the heart of our capitalistic society.

that said, fair is fair, and if taxes are legally owed, pay them. That Colorado and other states are pursuing more aggressive treatment from merchants is a sign that they are going after tax cheats. If you bought online, and paid alternative “use” taxes when you filed your taxes, then you have nothing to feel guilty about nor worry about.

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Feb 10, 2018 10:24:54   #
camerapapi Loc: Miami, Fl.
 
Two things are for sure in life:
1- To pay taxes.
2- To die.
Till now we have been allowed to buy tax free from stores like B&H but the government knows it is loosing money. Perhaps one of these days buying from the Internet will cease saving us taxes.
Looks to me it will happen soon.

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Feb 10, 2018 10:29:43   #
mas24 Loc: Southern CA
 
Consequences occur when you don't pay taxes, especially Federal Income Taxes. California will make an example of you, if you don't pay State Income Taxes too. Both Tax Collection agencies can give you a miserable, unhappy ending. I expect more B&H letters in the future to be distributed to other States nationwide regarding sales taxes. Population growth demands more taxes. Whether you like it or not. taxes aren't going away, period. Yes, there is waste. But we can't do anything about it, but complain. Wasn't the Boston Tea Party about paying taxes to the British? Now, we pay our government and States in the same fashion.

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Feb 10, 2018 10:31:29   #
Jakebrake Loc: Broomfield, Colorado
 
david vt wrote:
Not high enough!!! As someone whom regularly reviews my out-of-state purchases when I do my state taxes, and pays the alternative use tax, I do feel entitled to call it as it is - tax cheating!. These taxes pay for the roads your big brown truck drives down to deliver your packages, the schools your kids (or grandkids) go to, the police and fire departments that protect you, and more

While I am all in favor of each person finding every legal means to lower their tax bill, why do you feel entitled to break the law?

As for the mail-order businesses, their day in court is coming. They know people routinely compare net delivered prices, so they can raise prices, knowing the many (most?) will “do the wrong thing” and not take into account paying those required sales/use taxes and profit - literally- from the difference. I think the courts will overturn the precident that banned this, and the technology certainly exists for the online platforms to properly collect by zip code and remit the proper amount to the right jurisdictions.

I know this is just MHO, but seeing my property and state taxes continue to rise knowing that local businesses are closing (depriving governments at all levels - local,state, and federal this revenue) due to this unfair completion combined with people feeling “entitled” to break the law and not pay their fair share, if you are in this (hopefully) minority - shame on you.
Not high enough!!! As someone whom regularly rev... (show quote)


Apparently I'm in the minority here in taking advantage of not paying my states sales tax on internet purchases. My initial post simply asked if anyone else had received a letter from B&H like I did, and would be in the future be making my purchases locally through a brick and mortar store, Mike's Camera. (which I thought would make many of you happy) I guess now I'm a 'tax cheat' for not promptly forwarding this money to the state of Colorado on all of my online purchases for the last 10 or so years. To those of you who have showed me the error of my ways, consider me properly chastised. Make no mistake about it, I don't have an issue with paying my taxes. What I do have an issue with is the bloated bureaucracy's, taxing for one thing, then using it for another, senseless and redundant programs and using my hard earned dollars the fed, state and local take to advance absurd programs like the mating habits of the blue nosed bottle fly.

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Feb 10, 2018 10:32:47   #
david vt Loc: Vermont
 
Tom Ryman wrote:
States without income tax: AK, FL, NV, SD, TX, WA, WY.


You forgot NH, which also does not have a state sales tax!

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Feb 10, 2018 10:37:14   #
Larryshuman
 
There used to be a photography store in downtown in my city. I spent thousands there. They are closed and new owners have moved it 20 miles away and charge full list prices. If I wanted to buy a Nikon 24~70 F2.8 they will have to order it, they don't stock it. Same with a 600mmF:4. Tell same they will have it in 2 weeks. The even lost their Advanced Nikon classification from Nikon. If you go there and want a 500 or 600 prime your sales tax is at 7.5%. That's a ton of extra money to put out for what. A strobe cord that goes from the camera to the strobe- a 3rd party costs $109. I sat at my desk a took apart my 3 Nikon cords and tighten all the little screws myself thus fixing the strobe cord. I saved $327+ $24 sales tx =$351. Nikons 600mmF:4GVR was at $10300 X 7.5%=$11,072.50. Support our local brick and mortar stores BS

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Feb 10, 2018 10:39:39   #
MadMikeOne Loc: So. NJ Shore - a bit west of Atlantic City
 
wds0410 wrote:
With all due respect, nobody cares what you think about our system. I think its just rude for foreigners who don't live here to offer their opinions on things they just don't understand. Things are just different here - not better, not worse, different.


Thank you for your response to our members from outside the US who have criticized our systems. You put my thoughts in much more polite terms than I ever could have.

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Feb 10, 2018 10:44:44   #
Bazbo Loc: Lisboa, Portugal
 
Jakebrake wrote:
I have been a B&H customer for many years, and the reason being laser fast free shipping and no sales tax. This past week I received a letter from them stating they had notified the state of Colorado of my purchases which amounted to slightly over 3K. Now I know we are supposed to pay the state taxes voluntarily on our purchases from out of state businesses, but I believe not many do, at least I didn't until now. Being a Canon shooter B&H priced those items at list and the savings was in taxes. So, from now on I will make my purchases from my local brick a mortar store which is Mike's Camera in Boulder, Colorado (which is 9 miles away) and not have to deal with this when I file my state taxes. No problemo, and no more waiting around for the big brown truck, but has anyone else received a letter like mine from B&H? I shudder at the though of receiving a letter from Adorama!

This could be the best thing that has happened for local camera stores.
I have been a B&H customer for many years, and... (show quote)


BFD. pay your taxes remember this when you complain about government deficit spending.

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Feb 10, 2018 10:46:24   #
Dngallagher Loc: Wilmington De.
 
Tom Ryman wrote:
States without income tax: AK, FL, NV, SD, TX, WA, WY.


Income Tax and Sales tax are two different beasts.....

Some states have NO SALES TAX, but do have INCOME TAXES, some have no INCOME TAXES, but collect a SALES TAX on every sale, some collect BOTH or as much as they can from as many places as they can.

Living in Delaware, there is a STATE INCOME TAX, CITY WAGE TAXES, PROPERTY TAXES, FUEL TAXES but NO SALES TAX....

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Feb 10, 2018 10:46:35   #
LWW Loc: Banana Republic of America
 
This topic is quite entertaining.

If someone doesn’t like paying their own states sales tax let them opt into paying NY taxes.

It annoy be called a free market when the gubmint taxes one business but not another when they in the same line of business.

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