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Feb 4, 2018 10:27:44   #
machia Loc: NJ
 
CatMarley wrote:
Nonsense. The problem we have now is a 24 hour news cycle with many outlets competing for viewers with increasing notoriety. True racial white on black violence is almost nil. "Racism" is an epithet thrown about with no reality, except in the minds of the people doing the accusations. I am so tired of everybody using "racism" and "racist" to end conversation. And "diversity" to mean only pigmentation rather than ideas.

Well said .

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Feb 4, 2018 10:37:38   #
JeffL Loc: New Jersey
 
machia wrote:
Well said .


Since Fox News probably didn’t show the videos of a man being choked to death for the heinous crime of street peddling or another shot 12 times in the back as he ran from a cop during a traffic stop, you probably missed these episodes of white on black racism. I’ve personally experienced violence and bigotry as a Jew. If you, from your lofty conservative white bread perches, haven’t experienced being the subject of hate and bigotry, then you have no clue. So, your opinions are based in ideology, not reality.

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Feb 4, 2018 10:40:44   #
CatMarley Loc: North Carolina
 
machia wrote:

If I saw Kaepernick in the flesh I’d spit in his face . Believe me he would be getting off easy .


You would be acknowledging his importance. No If I met him I would walk right by as if he did not exist. He is simply an ugly little man undeserving of recognition.

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Feb 4, 2018 10:49:00   #
CatMarley Loc: North Carolina
 
JeffL wrote:
If you, from your lofty conservative white bread perches, haven’t experienced being the subject of hate and bigotry, then you have no clue. So, your opinions are based in ideology, not reality.


This is the usual racist answer to everything - call other people racist. The true racists are those who view everything through the prism of racism. You have no idea about those to whom you are speaking, or what we are or what we have or have not experienced. Thus, your expressed opinions of us are based on ignorant prejudice. As usual you are using the implied "racist" epithet to shut down other people. ("conservative, white bread).

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Feb 4, 2018 11:37:32   #
FrankR Loc: NYC
 
CatMarley wrote:
Nonsense. The problem we have now is a 24 hour news cycle with many outlets competing for viewers with increasing notoriety. True racial white on black violence is almost nil. "Racism" is an epithet thrown about with no reality, except in the minds of the people doing the accusations. I am so tired of everybody using "racism" and "racist" to end conversation. And "diversity" to mean only pigmentation rather than ideas.


So the problem as you see it is news being available one way or another, all day long, is that it? Not a man being choked to death while he’s yelling, “I can’t breathe!” And am I correct in presuming you think the problem is not that one of the cops who choked him to death was taped smiling, mugging and waving to the camera,but that it was captured on film? No problem exists with a cop shooting a guy in his car, while his wife is telling him not to shoot, he’s unarmed, just reaching for his wallet. Only that it was captured on film. Is that about it? Most cops are decent, caring, hard working people who put their lives on the line every time they go to work. You couldn't pay me enough to do that job. But to deny that there are far too many who have killed African-American men without cause or provocation is to deny reality.

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Feb 4, 2018 11:52:28   #
CatMarley Loc: North Carolina
 
FrankR wrote:
So the problem as you see it is news being available one way or another, all day long, is that it? Not a man being choked to death while he’s yelling, “I can’t breathe!” And am I correct in presuming you think the problem is not that one of the cops who choked him to death was taped smiling, mugging and waving to the camera,but that it was captured on film? No problem exists with a cop shooting a guy in his car, while his wife is telling him not to shoot, he’s unarmed, just reaching for his wallet. Only that it was captured on film. Is that about it? Most cops are decent, caring, hard working people who put their lives on the line every time they go to work. You couldn't pay me enough to do that job. But to deny that there are far too many who have killed African-American men without cause or provocation is to deny reality.
So the problem as you see it is news being availab... (show quote)


As I said before, those who see racism everywhere are the real racists.

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Feb 4, 2018 11:54:46   #
Sirsnapalot Loc: Hammond, Louisiana
 
FrankR wrote:
So the problem as you see it is news being available one way or another, all day long, is that it? Not a man being choked to death while he’s yelling, “I can’t breathe!” And am I correct in presuming you think the problem is not that one of the cops who choked him to death was taped smiling, mugging and waving to the camera,but that it was captured on film? No problem exists with a cop shooting a guy in his car, while his wife is telling him not to shoot, he’s unarmed, just reaching for his wallet. Only that it was captured on film. Is that about it? Most cops are decent, caring, hard working people who put their lives on the line every time they go to work. You couldn't pay me enough to do that job. But to deny that there are far too many who have killed African-American men without cause or provocation is to deny reality.
So the problem as you see it is news being availab... (show quote)


To base your case on video clips is as wrong as saying, "I looked it up on google". I admit, it does look bad, especially with the liberal narrative behind the video, but you can't judge the validity of what you see on a news clip to what really happened. It's just like the instant replays in football, even with super slow motion and numerous camera angles, sometimes they still get it wrong!

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Feb 4, 2018 11:57:04   #
BobHartung Loc: Bettendorf, IA
 
FrankR wrote:
So the problem as you see it is news being available one way or another, all day long, is that it? Not a man being choked to death while he’s yelling, “I can’t breathe!” And am I correct in presuming you think the problem is not that one of the cops who choked him to death was taped smiling, mugging and waving to the camera,but that it was captured on film? No problem exists with a cop shooting a guy in his car, while his wife is telling him not to shoot, he’s unarmed, just reaching for his wallet. Only that it was captured on film. Is that about it? Most cops are decent, caring, hard working people who put their lives on the line every time they go to work. You couldn't pay me enough to do that job. But to deny that there are far too many who have killed African-American men without cause or provocation is to deny reality.
So the problem as you see it is news being availab... (show quote)


You cherry pick a few cases from a huge population. A white vs. black shooting is rare. Given what police put up with, and yes some of the stereotypical images, are real, I am amazed that more are not shot. It does not make it right, but it is blown out of proportion to the whole population.

I agree that those that see everything as a "racist" plot are themselves the racists. And I also agree that the new media are themselves the news - fight for ratings, commentator popularity. It is not unbiased news reporting, it is story telling with a twist.

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Feb 4, 2018 12:17:47   #
johnbee418 Loc: Manchester Conn.
 
Thank you.

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Feb 4, 2018 12:19:47   #
rocket111
 
I can remember a time when I got home from Vietnam folks did not look so kindly on me or my fellow service members. I can honestly say I have never felt so let down. You would go out looking for a job and say you have spent the last 6 years in the army they would look at you like a contagious monster. Not so many flag wavers back in 1969.

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Feb 4, 2018 12:49:19   #
CatMarley Loc: North Carolina
 
FrankR wrote:
So the problem as you see it is news being available one way or another, all day long, is that it? Not a man being choked to death while he’s yelling, “I can’t breathe!” And am I correct in presuming you think the problem is not that one of the cops who choked him to death was taped smiling, mugging and waving to the camera,but that it was captured on film? No problem exists with a cop shooting a guy in his car, while his wife is telling him not to shoot, he’s unarmed, just reaching for his wallet. Only that it was captured on film. Is that about it? Most cops are decent, caring, hard working people who put their lives on the line every time they go to work. You couldn't pay me enough to do that job. But to deny that there are far too many who have killed African-American men without cause or provocation is to deny reality.
So the problem as you see it is news being availab... (show quote)


The facts are: A certain number of bad actors in the society are black. The majority of law enforcement officers who come into deadly conflict with all bad actors are white. Thus there will ALWAYS be a number of deadly conflicts which result in death or injury to a black bad actor by white law enforcement. There will ALSO be black bad actors shot by black law enforcement and white by both white and black. However the LATTER will never be given the same amount of press coverage (if any) because of the ratings agenda of the press, and the race mongering of those who find it politically advantageous. And race is nearly always a trumped up issue. The REAL fact is that bad actors are being stopped from doing bad stuff by some people who risk a lot to do their job, and the skin colors of the people involved has nothing to do with it!

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Feb 4, 2018 12:55:17   #
JeffL Loc: New Jersey
 
Because I have called out racism as I see it, read about it, hear it, does not make me a racist. So some of these responses, though written with great grammar and vocabulary, are bullshit. They show that the writer is unaware of the reality that many live with, or choose to close his/her eyes and pretend that it does not exist. That level of ignorance is amazing in today's information soaked environment. Is Google, Facebook, or Fox News a trusted source of unbiased, vetted information? Not a chance. However, when all of the, prior to Trump, respected news agencies, who pride themselves on honest reporting, report and verify the institutional racism that is prevalent in places like Baltimore, Fergusen, MO, or Chicago, it is hard to call it an abberation.

I remember living in Coral Gables, FL in the 50's, and being excluded from many of the resorts on Miami Beach because we were Jews. I remember getting the shit beat out of me in high school because "we don't want no fucking Jews in our school". I served this country for 8 years in the Air Force, from 1961-1969, during the height of the Cold War. I experience physical abuse in basic training because I was that "kike" from New York. The only fight I had in the service was with an airman from the South who called me a dirty Jew and coward when I didn't want to fight him. I ended up knocking his ass out. Today, anti-Semitism, and racism rage across the country and Europe, fueled by rhetoric from the highest levels. So, if you don't see the racism, anti-religious bigotry, and white supremacy ideology becoming ever wider and more strident in this country, then regardless of your so well-reasoned responses, you are truly an idiot.

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Feb 4, 2018 13:17:26   #
machia Loc: NJ
 
JeffL wrote:
Since Fox News probably didn’t show the videos of a man being choked to death for the heinous crime of street peddling or another shot 12 times in the back as he ran from a cop during a traffic stop, you probably missed these episodes of white on black racism. I’ve personally experienced violence and bigotry as a Jew. If you, from your lofty conservative white bread perches, haven’t experienced being the subject of hate and bigotry, then you have no clue. So, your opinions are based in ideology, not reality.
Since Fox News probably didn’t show the videos of ... (show quote)

Lofty , conservative , racist , all empty buzz words . I lived through the Newark riots as a kid buddy . I’ve seen a lot . I’ve seen injustice .
I unlike you , I have seen plenty . And being Italian , my Dad got plenty of flak in an a German area where he grew up . So what ! That’s life . And no amount of social engineering is going to change human nature .
I invite you to a NJ State Tropper barracks . Tell them what you think . Come with me to a Newark firehouse , tell them too . They’ll laugh at you .
Your living in a world that the news media created . This is 2018 , not 1958 . Have a good day Sir .

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Feb 4, 2018 13:17:49   #
CatMarley Loc: North Carolina
 
JeffL wrote:
So, if you don't see the racism, anti-religious bigotry, and white supremacy ideology becoming ever wider and more strident in this country, then regardless of your so well-reasoned responses, you are truly an idiot.


I see a press and the left wing activists crowing about all of the isms you mention. And that is the ONLY place I see it. And the motivation is quite transparent - to sow discontent and division in our country. I also see people who call other people names like "idiot" (and worse) for not agreeing with them or shutting up. I am a surgeon. When you open people up they are all the same color. Supremacy is based on character and accomplishment, and is not black, white, pink or green!

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Feb 4, 2018 13:21:05   #
Sirsnapalot Loc: Hammond, Louisiana
 
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CatMarley wrote:
I see a press and the left wing activists crowing about all of the isms you mention. And that is the ONLY place I see it. And the motivation is quite transparent - to sow discontent and division in our country. I also see people who call other people names like "idiot" (and worse) for not agreeing with them or shutting up. I am a surgeon. When you open people up they are all the same color. Supremacy is based on character and accomplishment, and is not black, white, pink or green!



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