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Jan 14, 2018 21:19:12   #
10MPlayer Loc: California
 
Big yawn. I agree with bebulamar, the first to reply to this thread. Why do you care what others do with their images? Why should we care about what you do? You consider yourself some kind of purist. Good for you.

Have you ever looked at a beautiful image on a magazine cover or in a museum exhibit? Do you really believe the artist just went out and took the shot with his SLR on TriX film, sent it to Kodak for processing, mounted it and put it on the wall? That's not how real life works.

But at this point you've gotten 11 pages of replies so if that's what you were really after, good for you.

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Jan 14, 2018 21:25:11   #
10MPlayer Loc: California
 
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Jan 14, 2018 21:35:45   #
waegwan Loc: Mae Won Li
 
alx wrote:
Even back then with B&W, one used lens filters to control how the film responded to certain elements in the scene. The classic used of a yellow or red filter on he lens to bring out the sky. There is no difference between burning and dodging and using photoshop to control contrast or emphasize elements, pulling them out of the shadows. Photographic papers and developers were selected as another way to manipulate that OOC film to achieve a desired result.

If everything was done IN THE CAMERA, you wouldn't develop those prints in wet trays under a safelight to pull them from the developer at just the right moment to plunge them into the fixer.

Post Processing has always been with us. Just done differently in today's dry digital world.

In the end, it is the quality and artistry that went into the final image on display that counts.
Even back then with B&W, one used lens filters... (show quote)




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Jan 14, 2018 22:38:58   #
Harvey Loc: Pioneer, CA
 
I know that many people will see an image in different opinions - in our group we could enter an image as often as we wanted till it won/placed in a category - we had different/rotating judges- it was not uncommon to see one judge disregard an image and another praise it. In 8 yrs of watching this I learned that I was the best judge of my photos - if it did not please me it surely would not please a judge.
Harvey

alx wrote:
I said a photographer is an artist. Now, not all artist are good, some can be pretty bad in some people's eyes, but some are great.

The photograph as an object is flat and static, but that doesn't mean that it can't be powerful, tell a story, evoke powerful reactions and emotions. It can be a simple wedding photograph that brings back fond memories years or even decades later. It can be a powerful news photograph that captures a moment that moves a nation. It can be a portrait that captures the soul. It can be a landscape that sucks the audience in to another place and time to make them wish they were there.

All of these (and many more) are different types, kinds and categories of photographs. In spite of their different subjects, approaches, techniques and sometimes levels of luck they can be works of art. The photographer captured their vision and perspective, processed it to bring out the best of what was available in the film or data, and shared it with the world to move them.

Not every picture works, but when they do they have power.

alx
I said a photographer is an artist. Now, not all a... (show quote)

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Jan 14, 2018 22:56:12   #
Bill_de Loc: US
 
10MPlayer wrote:
Big yawn. I agree with bebulamar, the first to reply to this thread. Why do you care what others do with their images? Why should we care about what you do? You consider yourself some kind of purist. Good for you.

Have you ever looked at a beautiful image on a magazine cover or in a museum exhibit? Do you really believe the artist just went out and took the shot with his SLR on TriX film, sent it to Kodak for processing, mounted it and put it on the wall? That's not how real life works.

But at this point you've gotten 11 pages of replies so if that's what you were really after, good for you.
Big yawn. I agree with bebulamar, the first to rep... (show quote)


Real photographers went to Fotomat!

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Jan 14, 2018 23:05:06   #
bcrawf
 
zazendude wrote:
For me a photograph is an image that captures a moment in time. It’s that simple I go out with my Minolta SRT 201 take a perfectly exposed photo ( I only shoot B&W film) and I’m done. I don’t have to come home and waste time fabricating an image that was not there in the first place with hardware and software. If you have a digital camera you are always tweaking something in your image. I get it that you want to swap colors, change an image to sepia, soften the focus, have starry lights and all the other games you play with an image. When will a digital camera be made that we won’t ever have to do anything to the image? You expose the scene correctly take the photo and you’re done. You’ve captured the moment perfectly! (And yes I have had digital slrs and computers, software, scanners, printers etc... )
For me a photograph is an image that captures a mo... (show quote)


This is the trap for amateurs: they lose track of the importance of the final result and suppose that the process or the mechanics of how they work is somehow the important thing.

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Jan 15, 2018 00:16:51   #
Marionsho Loc: Kansas
 
zazendude wrote:
For me a photograph is an image that captures a moment in time. It’s that simple I go out with my Minolta SRT 201 take a perfectly exposed photo ( I only shoot B&W film) and I’m done. I don’t have to come home and waste time fabricating an image that was not there in the first place with hardware and software. If you have a digital camera you are always tweaking something in your image. I get it that you want to swap colors, change an image to sepia, soften the focus, have starry lights and all the other games you play with an image. When will a digital camera be made that we won’t ever have to do anything to the image? You expose the scene correctly take the photo and you’re done. You’ve captured the moment perfectly! (And yes I have had digital slrs and computers, software, scanners, printers etc... )
For me a photograph is an image that captures a mo... (show quote)

Welcome to the Hog, zazendude.

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Jan 15, 2018 00:29:56   #
waegwan Loc: Mae Won Li
 
bcrawf wrote:
This is the trap for amateurs: they lose track of the importance of the final result and suppose that the process or the mechanics of how they work is somehow the important thing.


I suspect amatures fall into to at least two categories those who get wrapped up in the artistic image and don't use all of the camera's functions to get the best exposure and the ones who use every advantage of the camera and get the best exposure but fail on the artistic. I know folks in both groups.

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Jan 15, 2018 02:44:43   #
splatbass Loc: Honolulu
 
I've been shooting since the 70s, but I love digital. I was never in a position to develop and print my own film, so I was reliant on the employees of the lab to do it. With digital, I can make the photo look like I envision it, not some lab tech that is thinking about where he is going to go for lunch. Ansel Adams (yes, him again) said he wanted to capture on film and print what he felt when he took the picture. That is why he spent so much time in the darkroom, sometimes days trying to get a single print right. That is so much easier to do with digital (not that I can do it like him).

Anyway, I got out my old Canon A1 last year and shot a roll for old times sake. It was fun, and I got one good picture with it, but I'm glad digital came along.

I have no problem with anyone that feels like B&W film is all they want to use, but I don't like it when they get all condescending about it.

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Jan 15, 2018 02:58:45   #
Harvey Loc: Pioneer, CA
 
I find it so dang easy with digitalto either shoot a subject/scene either in Color or switch to B&W or easier yet to go into PS and change the image to B&W and add some sepia too - I do that a lot with most all images that depict the pre 1900's .

splatbass wrote:
I've been shooting since the 70s, but I love digital. I was never in a position to develop and print my own film, so I was reliant on the employees of the lab to do it. With digital, I can make the photo look like I envision it, not some lab tech that is thinking about where he is going to go for lunch. Ansel Adams (yes, him again) said he wanted to capture on film and print what he felt when he took the picture. That is why he spent so much time in the darkroom, sometimes days trying to get a single print right. That is so much easier to do with digital (not that I can do it like him).

Anyway, I got out my old Canon A1 last year and shot a roll for old times sake. It was fun, and I got one good picture with it, but I'm glad digital came along.

I have no problem with anyone that feels like B&W film is all they want to use, but I don't like it when they get all condescending about it.
I've been shooting since the 70s, but I love digit... (show quote)

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Jan 15, 2018 06:15:05   #
waegwan Loc: Mae Won Li
 
splatbass wrote:
I've been shooting since the 70s, but I love digital. I was never in a position to develop and print my own film, so I was reliant on the employees of the lab to do it. With digital, I can make the photo look like I envision it, not some lab tech that is thinking about where he is going to go for lunch. Ansel Adams (yes, him again) said he wanted to capture on film and print what he felt when he took the picture. That is why he spent so much time in the darkroom, sometimes days trying to get a single print right. That is so much easier to do with digital (not that I can do it like him).

Anyway, I got out my old Canon A1 last year and shot a roll for old times sake. It was fun, and I got one good picture with it, but I'm glad digital came along.

I have no problem with anyone that feels like B&W film is all they want to use, but I don't like it when they get all condescending about it.
I've been shooting since the 70s, but I love digit... (show quote)


It's too bad you didn't get to play with developing, sounds like you would have enjoyed it. Lack of space and time to develop and print is what pushed me into digital. I'm not sorry about going digital and I'll probably never give it up but I'd jump at the chance to set up a dark room again.

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Jan 15, 2018 07:06:09   #
Stephan G
 
Harvey wrote:
... In 8 yrs of watching this I learned that I was the best judge of my photos - if it did not please me it surely would not please a judge.
(Judge) Harvey
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The bottom line for why we do anything. It is to please ourselves.

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Jan 15, 2018 07:28:23   #
Jeffcs Loc: Myrtle Beach South Carolina
 
Maybe someone calling themselves a purest photographer is someone whom has no idea how to use PS or other software!

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Jan 15, 2018 08:09:04   #
Stephan G
 
bcrawf wrote:
This is the trap for amateurs: they lose track of the importance of the final result and suppose that the process or the mechanics of how they work is somehow the important thing.


My trap is my garage. My basic darkroom equipment, including the enlarger and tumbler, are in boxes. I just had the pop-up memory of when I used the post service club dark rooms! Aah, darkrooms with elbow room! Those were the days.

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Jan 15, 2018 09:35:08   #
duane klipping Loc: Bristow iowa
 
zazendude wrote:
For me a photograph is an image that captures a moment in time. It’s that simple I go out with my Minolta SRT 201 take a perfectly exposed photo ( I only shoot B&W film) and I’m done. I don’t have to come home and waste time fabricating an image that was not there in the first place with hardware and software. If you have a digital camera you are always tweaking something in your image. I get it that you want to swap colors, change an image to sepia, soften the focus, have starry lights and all the other games you play with an image. When will a digital camera be made that we won’t ever have to do anything to the image? You expose the scene correctly take the photo and you’re done. You’ve captured the moment perfectly! (And yes I have had digital slrs and computers, software, scanners, printers etc... )
For me a photograph is an image that captures a mo... (show quote)


The horse and buggy system works just fine as a means of transportation so why use a new device such as an automobile to get there faster and with more options.

Maybe what you don't understand is some people create Photographic works of art or are trying too and not common snapshots so many in the world take. For me that is using all the tools available to me and waiting on some photo lab to develop my pics is so 80's.

Use still using a party line phone? Still using dial up modem? Have to change with the time or it will leave you behind.

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