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Jan 13, 2018 10:14:55   #
zazendude
 
For me a photograph is an image that captures a moment in time. It’s that simple I go out with my Minolta SRT 201 take a perfectly exposed photo ( I only shoot B&W film) and I’m done. I don’t have to come home and waste time fabricating an image that was not there in the first place with hardware and software. If you have a digital camera you are always tweaking something in your image. I get it that you want to swap colors, change an image to sepia, soften the focus, have starry lights and all the other games you play with an image. When will a digital camera be made that we won’t ever have to do anything to the image? You expose the scene correctly take the photo and you’re done. You’ve captured the moment perfectly! (And yes I have had digital slrs and computers, software, scanners, printers etc... )

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Jan 13, 2018 10:22:02   #
BebuLamar
 
zazendude wrote:
For me a photograph is an image that captures a moment in time. It’s that simple I go out with my Minolta SRT 201 take a perfectly exposed photo ( I only shoot B&W film) and I’m done. I don’t have to come home and waste time fabricating an image that was not there in the first place with hardware and software. If you have a digital camera you are always tweaking something in your image. I get it that you want to swap colors, change an image to sepia, soften the focus, have starry lights and all the other games you play with an image. When will a digital camera be made that we won’t ever have to do anything to the image? You expose the scene correctly take the photo and you’re done. You’ve captured the moment perfectly! (And yes I have had digital slrs and computers, software, scanners, printers etc... )
For me a photograph is an image that captures a mo... (show quote)


Tell me how you get your photograph by simply go out with the SRT-201? There are a lot more work needed to be done before you can have your photograph. Do you do it yourself? or do you hire someone to do it? You don't have to do anything with images captured by digital cameras if you don't want to.

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Jan 13, 2018 10:22:36   #
LFingar Loc: Claverack, NY
 
Different strokes for different folks. Why does it concern you what others do with their images? What impact does the way others do things have on how you do things?
BTW, welcome to the Hog.

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Jan 13, 2018 10:23:02   #
Darkroom317 Loc: Mishawaka, IN
 
zazendude wrote:
For me a photograph is an image that captures a moment in time. It’s that simple I go out with my Minolta SRT 201 take a perfectly exposed photo ( I only shoot B&W film) and I’m done. I don’t have to come home and waste time fabricating an image that was not there in the first place with hardware and software. If you have a digital camera you are always tweaking something in your image. I get it that you want to swap colors, change an image to sepia, soften the focus, have starry lights and all the other games you play with an image. When will a digital camera be made that we won’t ever have to do anything to the image? You expose the scene correctly take the photo and you’re done. You’ve captured the moment perfectly! (And yes I have had digital slrs and computers, software, scanners, printers etc... )
For me a photograph is an image that captures a mo... (show quote)


A photograph is an image that originates by recording light on light sensitive media. So long as this is the origination of the final image, it remains a photograph no matter how much editing is done. It should be noted that neither a camera nor a lens are necessary to produce a photograph.

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Jan 13, 2018 10:29:15   #
PixelStan77 Loc: Vermont/Chicago
 
zazendude wrote:
For me a photograph is an image that captures a moment in time. It’s that simple I go out with my Minolta SRT 201 take a perfectly exposed photo ( I only shoot B&W film) and I’m done. I don’t have to come home and waste time fabricating an image that was not there in the first place with hardware and software. If you have a digital camera you are always tweaking something in your image. I get it that you want to swap colors, change an image to sepia, soften the focus, have starry lights and all the other games you play with an image. When will a digital camera be made that we won’t ever have to do anything to the image? You expose the scene correctly take the photo and you’re done. You’ve captured the moment perfectly! (And yes I have had digital slrs and computers, software, scanners, printers etc... )
For me a photograph is an image that captures a mo... (show quote)


So, in B&W film I use a yellow or red or green filter. I use a hand held meter for perfect exposure. So you don't use filters to alter the sensitivity of light on the film? Welcome to UHH. I understand what you are saying, however Ansel Adams was the master manipulator of exposure with his zone system and in the darkroom with dodging and burning.

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Jan 13, 2018 10:33:58   #
OddJobber Loc: Portland, OR
 
Before this first page is full, we'll hear about Ansel Adams.

EDIT: How is shooting B&W different from "fabricating an image that was not there in the first place"? Compare to digital conversion to sepia, please.

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Jan 13, 2018 10:38:55   #
Say Cheese Loc: Eastern PA
 
ZaZendude,
You can go out and take that perfect picture but when you get it developed you see that garbage can in the background that really makes that great shot, not so good. I can spend about 2 minutes with the digital image removing that can and now have that great picture you thought you took.

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Jan 13, 2018 10:41:52   #
RonH Loc: Shoreview MN
 
Why so much attitude in your post? I shoot a 24-30 image story line article monthly and use everything you do plus many things you don’t approve of. I look at it as getting the job done not what tools to use or not use to do the job. I have been doing photo tech articles monthly for over35 years and use a wide range of techniques.

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Jan 13, 2018 10:42:19   #
PixelStan77 Loc: Vermont/Chicago
 
OddJobber wrote:
Before this first page is full, we'll hear about Ansel Adams.


I beat you to it Larry.!

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Jan 13, 2018 10:47:35   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
The digital darkroom is so much easier to work with than the chemical darkroom, so the propensity to do much more with images exists.
Even with tweaking an image in either darkroom, it's still a photograph. (Maybe not in the PURIST sense though.)

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Jan 13, 2018 10:48:37   #
Bill_de Loc: US
 
This should answer some questions.

https://ink361.com/app/users/ig-1334401296/zazendude/photos

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Jan 13, 2018 10:50:44   #
leftj Loc: Texas
 
zazendude wrote:
For me a photograph is an image that captures a moment in time. It’s that simple I go out with my Minolta SRT 201 take a perfectly exposed photo ( I only shoot B&W film) and I’m done. I don’t have to come home and waste time fabricating an image that was not there in the first place with hardware and software. If you have a digital camera you are always tweaking something in your image. I get it that you want to swap colors, change an image to sepia, soften the focus, have starry lights and all the other games you play with an image. When will a digital camera be made that we won’t ever have to do anything to the image? You expose the scene correctly take the photo and you’re done. You’ve captured the moment perfectly! (And yes I have had digital slrs and computers, software, scanners, printers etc... )
For me a photograph is an image that captures a mo... (show quote)


Not hard to tell when someone is just jerking your chain. Good try.

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Jan 13, 2018 10:51:32   #
BebuLamar
 
I heard many people having the similar comments like the OP and those came from the fact that when shooting film most people only did it half way. Most never did anything beyond exposing the film. That because they hire the labs to complete the work. They don't realize that there are much more work to be done after exposing the film in order to have a photograph.

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Jan 13, 2018 10:56:46   #
PixelStan77 Loc: Vermont/Chicago
 
BebuLamar wrote:
I heard many people having the similar comments like the OP and those came from the fact that when shooting film most people only did it half way. Most never did anything beyond exposing the film. That because they hire the labs to complete the work. They don't realize that there are much more work to be done after exposing the film in order to have a photograph.





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Jan 13, 2018 11:02:26   #
d3200prime
 
zazendude wrote:
For me a photograph is an image that captures a moment in time. It’s that simple I go out with my Minolta SRT 201 take a perfectly exposed photo ( I only shoot B&W film) and I’m done. I don’t have to come home and waste time fabricating an image that was not there in the first place with hardware and software. If you have a digital camera you are always tweaking something in your image. I get it that you want to swap colors, change an image to sepia, soften the focus, have starry lights and all the other games you play with an image. When will a digital camera be made that we won’t ever have to do anything to the image? You expose the scene correctly take the photo and you’re done. You’ve captured the moment perfectly! (And yes I have had digital slrs and computers, software, scanners, printers etc... )
For me a photograph is an image that captures a mo... (show quote)


"For me a photograph is an image that captures a moment in time." That is true and it's no new news.
"When will a digital camera be made that we won’t ever have to do anything to the image?" News flash: you don't have to do anything to the image. You can expose the scene correctly take the photo and you're done with ANY camera on the market right now if that is what you want.
Don't take this as an insult but in reading your post I am lead to believe you are not well educated in photography and are in dire need of more study on the subject. Now, if I am wrong and you are indeed an experienced photographer then I apologize but then your post wouldn't make any sense.

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