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Dec 19, 2017 08:33:25   #
Vet4scuba
 
It’s all in the glass.......

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Dec 19, 2017 08:37:36   #
Apaflo Loc: Anchorage, Alaska
 
Crombie wrote:
... Careful post processing can even surpass premium lens quality. The need for premium lenses is for pros needing the extra light gathering of an f4 vs. say a f1.4 or 1.2. ...

A "Sharpen" tool does not improve lens focus or lens resolution.

Sharpening an image actually improves acutance, not resolution. The image will look "sharper" but is not. Sharpness in terms of resolution is how many contrast transitions can be recorded, but acutance is how quickly the transition occurs.

Acutance is increased by changing pixels along contrast transitions to make the dark edge darker and the light edge lighter. It causes haloing and other negative effects as well. It does not improve resolution but increases perceived sharpness up to a point.

Higher resolution due to a sharper lens or better focus allows finer detail to be recorded. There is no software that increases resolution after the fact.

Note that the use of a Bayer Color Filter Array blurs contrast edges, and therefore a Sharpen tool to enhance acutance is always beneficial on images generated using Bayer arrays (almost all digital cameras).

It is also true that when an image is defraction limited an "Unsharp Mask" Sharpen tool can remove at least 2 fstops worth of defraction, which may greatly improve visibility of the resolution in some images.

Hence a combination of both good focus with a high resolution lens and post processing with different Sharpening tools is essental to high quality images from digital cameras.

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Dec 19, 2017 08:41:35   #
sathca Loc: Narragansett Rhode Island
 
Kmgw9v wrote:
There are no shortcuts.


The shortcut is a great lens!

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Dec 19, 2017 08:47:22   #
Apaflo Loc: Anchorage, Alaska
 
sathca wrote:
The shortcut is a great lens!

That is step 1.

Step 2 is equally important but with distinctly different effect: proper use of Sharpening tool.

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Dec 19, 2017 08:49:25   #
rehess Loc: South Bend, Indiana, USA
 
Szalajj wrote:
Buy wisely the first time, and that purchase will last you a lifetime.
I was in agreement with you until I came to your ending. So, you are saying that if my brother had purchased the best-available FD lenses in the 1980's when he purchased a Canon AE-1 Program camera, he'd still be satisfied with it today???

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Dec 19, 2017 08:53:38   #
Rich1939 Loc: Pike County Penna.
 
OptiCole wrote:
I know there is an optical difference between a "kit lens" and a "higher quality" lens. But with today's amazing post processing software options, is it that much of a difference? I know out of the camera a higher quality lens will be a little sharper, but after using appropriate post processing on something like a kit lens, is there really much difference to most non pixel peeper people. I am having to hard time justifying the extreme cost of a high end lens when my kit lens seems pretty sharp after a little bit of LightRoom.

In the "old" days the lens was everything, but is that true to with all of the lens software profiles that fix most if the lower cost lens issues.

What do people think about this?
I know there is an optical difference between a &q... (show quote)


You will always get better results from better glass. Always
There is only so much soft ware can do and most of that only corrects softness created by things other than the lens. Like AA filters on the sensor.

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Dec 19, 2017 08:54:28   #
Apaflo Loc: Anchorage, Alaska
 
rehess wrote:
So, if my brother had purchased the best-available FD lenses in the 1980's when he purchased a Canon AE-1 Program camera, he'd still be satisfied with it today???

If he is shooting with that AE-1 he should still be very satisfied.

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Dec 19, 2017 08:55:37   #
Szalajj Loc: Salem, NH
 
rehess wrote:
So, if my brother had purchased the best-available FD lenses in the 1980's when he purchased a Canon AE-1 Program camera, he'd still be satisfied with it today???

I'm not familiar with that particular Canon camera, or the "Earlier" Canon lenses, but there are many photographers out there that still swear by some of the older lenses.

They have to be used as manual focus lenses on the newer bodies, but they're still getting really exceptional shots with those older lenses.

So, by investing in the best quality lens that you can afford, you are investing in your future. Quality does matter in the long run.

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Dec 19, 2017 09:08:55   #
bcrawf
 
OptiCole wrote:
I know there is an optical difference between a "kit lens" and a "higher quality" lens. But with today's amazing post processing software options, is it that much of a difference? I know out of the camera a higher quality lens will be a little sharper, but after using appropriate post processing on something like a kit lens, is there really much difference to most non pixel peeper people. I am having to hard time justifying the extreme cost of a high end lens when my kit lens seems pretty sharp after a little bit of LightRoom.

In the "old" days the lens was everything, but is that true to with all of the lens software profiles that fix most if the lower cost lens issues.

What do people think about this?
I know there is an optical difference between a &q... (show quote)


Think of sharpening an image in which the subject matter has a very short depth of field, with its closer and farther detail blurring into puffy fuzz. You can sharpen that image, but the soft parts will not gain detail, though there might be an impression of it in the parts which were closest to being sharply focused. Enhanced crispness can seem like enhanced detail.

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Dec 19, 2017 09:13:11   #
rehess Loc: South Bend, Indiana, USA
 
Apaflo wrote:
Note that the use of a Bayer Color Filter Array blurs contrast edges, and therefore a Sharpen tool to enhance acutance is always beneficial on images generated using Bayer arrays (almost all digital cameras).
What about the most modern cameras that have an AA filter simulator instead of an actual AA filter?

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Dec 19, 2017 09:15:23   #
Jim Bob
 
OptiCole wrote:
I know there is an optical difference between a "kit lens" and a "higher quality" lens. But with today's amazing post processing software options, is it that much of a difference? I know out of the camera a higher quality lens will be a little sharper, but after using appropriate post processing on something like a kit lens, is there really much difference to most non pixel peeper people. I am having to hard time justifying the extreme cost of a high end lens when my kit lens seems pretty sharp after a little bit of LightRoom.

In the "old" days the lens was everything, but is that true to with all of the lens software profiles that fix most if the lower cost lens issues.

What do people think about this?
I know there is an optical difference between a &q... (show quote)


Is there really a difference? Yes. Is it a difference that..."most non pixel peeper people" will appreciate? Probably not, especially considering the explosion of decent cell phone cameras.

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Dec 19, 2017 09:21:06   #
kymarto Loc: Portland OR and Milan Italy
 
It is not only sharpness, but microcontrast, various types of optical aberrations, vignetting, lens speed, flare resistance and a few other things.

That being said, if you are shooting in good light stopped down to f8 or so in many situations the difference will often not be too obvious on smaller prints and computer screens.

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Dec 19, 2017 09:21:25   #
rehess Loc: South Bend, Indiana, USA
 
Szalajj wrote:
I'm not familiar with that particular Canon camera, or the "Earlier" Canon lenses, but there are many photographers out there that still swear by some of the older lenses.

They have to be used as manual focus lenses on the newer bodies, but they're still getting really exceptional shots with those older lenses.

So, by investing in the best quality lens that you can afford, you are investing in your future. Quality does matter in the long run.
Then you need to do some research before you make such blanket statements. In 1987 Canon introduced their new EF mount which totally replaced the FD mount. FD lenses can be mounted on a modern camera {and provide infinity focus} only via an adapter which includes a lens. Ultimately, this move made Canon the dominant company, but most people who stayed with Canon completely replaced all their lenses, even the great ones.

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Dec 19, 2017 09:24:25   #
ralphfr Loc: Long Island, NY
 
jerryc41 wrote:
Right. You can sharpen what the lens gives you, but software cannot work miracles. To get good results, you need a good camera, a good lens, good software, and good skill using all three.


Killjoy!!!!!

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Dec 19, 2017 09:24:47   #
rehess Loc: South Bend, Indiana, USA
 
Apaflo wrote:
If he is shooting with that AE-1 he should still be very satisfied.
Only if he were still shooting film - in fact, he moved to digital in 2005.

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