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Nov 28, 2017 21:17:29   #
martinfisherphoto Loc: Lake Placid Florida
 
Much more balanced from my view, thanks for all the tedious work.. If you replace slanted pole with straight pole, more tedious work, I think your depth and original composition will return. The pole did give the image a lot more depth

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Nov 28, 2017 21:33:21   #
Linda From Maine Loc: Yakima, Washington
 
martinfisherphoto wrote:
Much more balanced from my view, thanks for all the tedious work.. If you replace slanted pole with straight pole, more tedious work, I think your depth and original composition will return. The pole did give the image a lot more depth


Balanced = calm and controlled, as AzPicLady suggested it looks without the slanted pole? This becomes a totally different image than the punctuation or accent (words from other feedback on the existing composition). I hoped that breaking the rules would offer a bit of unexpected interest, while I do understand it can be uncomfortable presented this way.

I don't mean to belabor the point, but I've been trying to remember the difference between offering suggestions that strengthen the OP's vision vs. changing the entire mood or story. I usually fail miserably in my attempts (at both remembering and executing), but your suggestion that it would be better via a completely different composition reminded me of that point...so I took advantage of the moment

Thank you again, Martin!

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Nov 29, 2017 05:26:14   #
firtree Loc: Florida, USA
 
You must have 'mad' PP skills! You did an excellent job getting rid of the slanted pole and it does give a totally different feel to the photograph. The second one is calmer and makes me want to wander through the poles towards the mountain. The first one says "Stop! Look at me from here." Which makes the eye take the trip through the poles only to discover the mountain. Both presentations are great and you make it hard to choose. However, I think the depth provided in the first (with the pole) along with the chaotic feel, make for a more interesting composition and experience. (I do tend to lean more towards the chaos as it echoes real life. So take my humble opinion with a grain of salt. I am sure many will disagree. :)

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Nov 29, 2017 08:13:53   #
Linda From Maine Loc: Yakima, Washington
 
firtree wrote:
You must have 'mad' PP skills! You did an excellent job getting rid of the slanted pole and it does give a totally different feel to the photograph. The second one is calmer and makes me want to wander through the poles towards the mountain. The first one says "Stop! Look at me from here." Which makes the eye take the trip through the poles only to discover the mountain. Both presentations are great and you make it hard to choose. However, I think the depth provided in the first (with the pole) along with the chaotic feel, make for a more interesting composition and experience. (I do tend to lean more towards the chaos as it echoes real life. So take my humble opinion with a grain of salt. I am sure many will disagree. :)
You must have 'mad' PP skills! You did an excelle... (show quote)


Most of the "pp" was done with a one click "content-aware move" tool in PS Elements, and if I had provided a download, you would see a gazillion bits of floating wire, attached to nothing

I appreciate your describing how you view the differences in the two images. Thanks so much for coming back!

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Mar 23, 2018 23:43:09   #
Uuglypher Loc: South Dakota (East River)
 
Linda From Maine wrote:
Toning is Nik Silver Efex at reduced opacity on a layer over color. Feedback regarding subject, composition, pp -
all welcomed!


Hi, Linda,

Given my interest in perspective (and lines thereof), monocular cues to depth perception, and the seeming innumerable varieties of images illustrating linear perspective, I am finally driven to admit that your image “After the Hops Harvest” that you posted <http://www.uglyhedgehog.com/t-499016-1.html> on Feb 26 of last year is the most un-be-friggin-lievably complex example of an image of linear perspective that I have ever seen.

The lines of perspective that I have laid in are but a minuscule proportion of the possible perspective lines that might be drawn in an adequately enlarged version of the image.

I have spent far more time than I care to admit trying to carry out 3D conversion of this magnificent image.

.....and I give up!

Your image is so damnably replete with strong cues to depth that it is, to paraphrase Lincoln....far beyond my poor ability to add or detract.

After analyzing the geometry upon which those poles are seated in the Earth, it is obvious that there really are numerous potential camera placements that could provide almost exactly an equal number of lines of perspective.

But you....you, Linda...discovered that compositional gem of great price that renders your image unique and to a level of perfection that few would notice ...or aspire to...and that, I fear, most would avoid: that one pole near the left side that has slumped in its loose hole from verticality.

For me, it makes the image, much as capturing a single German soldier goose-stepping out-of-step with his thousands of fellow goose-steppers marching before Der Fürher in celebration of the invasion of Czechoslovakia in ‘38 (or was it ‘39?).

Anyway, the mind boggles in consideration of the concept of “rank-and-file” trying inconclusively to decide which rows of poles are “ranks” and which are “files”€.

I have been frustrated by, and, at the same time have greatly enjoyed my continuing study of your wonderful image.

Just wanted you to know.

Dave


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Mar 24, 2018 08:50:27   #
Linda From Maine Loc: Yakima, Washington
 
Thank you Dave!
Uuglypher wrote:
Hi, Linda,

Given my interest in perspective (and lines thereof), monocular cues to depth perception, and the seeming innumerable varieties of images illustrating linear perspective, I am finally driven to admit that your image “After the Hops Harvest” that you posted <http://www.uglyhedgehog.com/t-499016-1.html> on Feb 26 of last year is the most un-be-friggin-lievably complex example of an image of linear perspective that I have ever seen.

The lines of perspective that I have laid in are but a minuscule proportion of the possible perspective lines that might be drawn in an adequately enlarged version of the image.

I have spent far more time than I care to admit trying to carry out 3D conversion of this magnificent image.

.....and I give up!

Your image is so damnably replete with strong cues to depth that it is, to paraphrase Lincoln....far beyond my poor ability to add or detract.

After analyzing the geometry upon which those poles are seated in the Earth, it is obvious that there really are numerous potential camera placements that could provide almost exactly an equal number of lines of perspective.

But you....you, Linda...discovered that compositional gem of great price that renders your image unique and to a level of perfection that few would notice ...or aspire to...and that, I fear, most would avoid: that one pole near the left side that has slumped in its loose hole from verticality.

For me, it makes the image, much as capturing a single German soldier goose-stepping out-of-step with his thousands of fellow goose-steppers marching before Der Fürher in celebration of the invasion of Czechoslovakia in ‘38 (or was it ‘39?).

Anyway, the mind boggles in consideration of the concept of “rank-and-file” trying inconclusively to decide which rows of poles are “ranks” and which are “files”€.

I have been frustrated by, and, at the same time have greatly enjoyed my continuing study of your wonderful image.

Just wanted you to know.

Dave
Hi, Linda, br br Given my interest in perspective... (show quote)

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Jan 11, 2019 14:42:15   #
Uuglypher Loc: South Dakota (East River)
 
Linda From Maine wrote:
Thank you, Dave! (sorry for your unruly I-pad ) My favorite shooting conditions are when I suddenly see something and my right brain says, oh yes! I don't do as well when I have time for that "other" side to take over.

Now, this subject - hops growing apparatus - I have photographed in all kinds of weather, seasons and light. I have one from last year I particularly like that is looking straight down a row. And there are hundreds of acres of the crop grown around here; I'm not just working with one field

I noticed the multiple vanishing points and symmetry of the main part of this particular location right away and as I was framing, I decided the left-leaning foreground pole would add a bit of unexpected visual stimulation, and of course one rarely can go wrong with a volcano in the background

I had some feedback on another forum that helped me decide to tweak my original edit where the clouds were darker and kind of competing with the main idea of patterns and lines.

Your time and interest is much appreciated!
Thank you, Dave! (sorry for your unruly I-pad img... (show quote)


Hi, Linda,
Sorry for the belated follow-up but I’ve recalled that I had neglected to have posted a 3D conversion of your image resulting from a refined geometric transformation technique that came about some time after I had
posted my comments above.

Any who are able to free-view stereo image pairs will perceive the 3D effect.

Best regards,
Dave


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Jan 11, 2019 15:24:30   #
artBob Loc: Near Chicago
 
Fascinating visual field. The composition is great, the angled pole pulling the eye back into the frame after it wanders down the dominant poles perspective to the right.

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Jan 11, 2019 15:26:21   #
Linda From Maine Loc: Yakima, Washington
 
artBob wrote:
Fascinating visual field. The composition is great, the angled pole pulling the eye back into the frame after it wanders down the dominant poles perspective to the right.
Thanks, Bob. This topic is over a year old; I wish Dave hadn't re-activated, though it is a photo I'm proud of, so there's that

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Jan 11, 2019 17:00:41   #
Uuglypher Loc: South Dakota (East River)
 
Linda From Maine wrote:
Thanks, Bob. This topic is over a year old; I wish Dave hadn't re-activated, though it is a photo I'm proud of, so there's that


Sorry, Linda; I was unaware that any thread, regardless of age, was ineligible for a response of any kind. if it is the general wish of registrants we probably ought to get that into the rules or arrange for the managers to close discussion on threads of a certain age.

Dave

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