db2step wrote:
Ok I am ready to move up from my d3300 dx to a Nikon used. I want to get way better quality pictures. I shot lots of subjects I do macro-landscape-flowers and animals I like to shot tight. I hope to find one of there lighter ones. Looking at d800 - d800e- or maybe d810. Any pointer of suggestions would be most appreciated. I am retired and on a limited income so may have to consider lens for it at a later date since I need to sell my dx lens first. you all and have a great turkey day. Thank you Diane
ps. Should I wait for Nikon to come out with a mirrowless . I haven't looked at these much. is there one with a longer lens?? or one you really like??
Ok I am ready to move up from my d3300 dx to a Nik... (
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Several questions you need to answer, to help you decide the right course...
1. Do you regularly make really big prints... say, 16x24" or larger?
2. When you say you photograph "animals", do you mean tame, domestic critters (as opposed to "wildlife")?
3. Do you regularly use very high ISO above 3200?
4. And are you are prepared to carry a bigger, heavier, kit of gear?
5. And, do you either have FX lenses already or have a healthy budget to purchase FX lenses?
If you answer "YES" to the above questions, an FX camera might be be in your future. But if you answer "NO" to those questions, you'd likely see little benefit... Or might even find yourself worse off.
There are a lot of myths about "full frame" cameras and, quite frankly, switching to one WILL NOT somehow magically make for "way better quality pictures".
Crop sensor DX cameras and lenses are actually a lot more capable than many people realize, and since they can fully utilize both DX and FX, give access to a greater selection of lenses. To "get the quality" possible with FX, you will also have to invest in high quality FX lenses to use on the camera... and those will be bigger, heavier and more expensive, as will the camera itself.
In fact, some of the recommendations in previous responses would give you little or no potential improvement over what you already have with your D3300. For example, a Nikon D700 is a 12MP camera... half the resolution of your current camera. A D610 or D750 is 24MP, same resolution as D3300... just FX format instead of DX. Those models would make for "better images"
IF you make really big prints from them and/or
IF you tend to use really high ISOs such as 6400 and up.
But there are significant "costs" involved in switching to FX. The camera itself will typically be bigger, heavier and more expensive. But so will too will be the lenses you'll need to use on it. This is most noticeable and dramatic with telephotos, such as a wildlife or sports photographer might use. For example, on crop sensor cameras I frequently use an easily handheld 300mm f/4 a lot for sports and wildlife. That lens weighs 2.5 lb. and cost about $1400. It uses a 77mm diameter filter and at about 10" long, fits easily into a small backpack. In order to photograph the same subjects the same way with my full frame camera, I will need to use a $9000 500mm f/4 lens that weighs 8 lb., is about 18" long (plus a 6" deep lens hood) and has a 150mm diameter front element. Due to the 500mm's size and weight, for anything more than a couple minutes shooting, a sturdy tripod or at least a monopod is also necessary... so add some more weight, bulk and cost for one of those, too.
It's not as apparent at the other extreme... but in order to produce a large enough diameter image circle to fully cover the larger sensor wide angle lenses for FX also need to be bigger and heavier, usually making for a higher price. For example, Nikon now produces a $300 AF-P 10-20mm DX lens for use on your D3300. That lens weighs half a lb. and is about 3" in diameter and under 3" long. But with an FX camera, for something similarly wide you'll need a $900 AF-S 16-35mm f/4 that weighs 1.5 lb., is slightly over 3" in diameter, and is close to 5" long.
Face it, if you switch to FX you will need to spend more and carry bigger, heavier gear around.
And, all for what? You really aren't going to see any sort of magical improvement in your images. You may see some incremental improvement in image quality from an FX camera, but only if you use quality FX lenses on it, make large prints and/or use very high ISOs.
A common mistake with digital photography is viewing images way too large on a computer monitor. If you are looking at your D3300's 24MP shots "at 100%" on the typical monitor, that's equivalent to making a print 40 x 60"... FIVE FEET WIDE... then looking at it from 18 or 20" away. When you look at any image that large, you're bound to see every little flaw, grain and speck of noise. And it has no bearing on reality... when you're judging your images for sharpness, noise, and even focus accuracy, back off to a more practical magnification. If you print 8x12", that's 20% magnification. Heck, even a 16x24" print is only 40% magnification. And online display is far less, due to the low resolutions you need to use. By the time you resize the image for it's intended purpose, many flaws seen "at 100%" completely disappear. Heck, even if you were to make a gigantic 40x60" print, you wouldn't view it from 18 or 20".
It's fine to use high magnification when working on and retouching images, but be more realistic when you're evaluating sharpness, noise, graininess and focus accuracy. Your images from your D3300 are probably much better than you realize.
You also didn't mention what lenses you are using. Those might offer better opportunity for image quality improvement, than the camera they're used upon. High quality, very capable lenses are available for both FX and DX cameras.... and are often a lot less costly for DX cameras.
Your best course of action might be to work more with your D3300 and learning to use it more fully. Maybe studying some books or taking a photography class or two would be helpful. I have no idea your skill level, so only you can say. But if you can't make great images with your D3300, you're unlikely to see much improvement from an "upgrade" to an FX. In fact, just the opposite might happen... the "problems" you have now with a DX camera will just be bigger and more obvious with an FX camera.
Finally, if you want a mirrorless Nikon camera, I hope you're patient! You could be waiting for many years for a Nikon "mirrorless" camera. So far the only mirrorless they've produced have been ultra-compact "Nikon 1" series cameras that use a 1 inch sensor that's even smaller and less capable than your D3300's. The selection of lenses for Nikon 1 are also quite limited. The latest news is that they will be abandoning the "Nikon 1" series, plan a new line of mirrorless, and are leaning toward FX format with those... but there is no known timeline or any guarantee that they won't end up compromising with a more versatile and practical DX format mirrorless. It's mostly just talk at this point.
Besides, "mirrorless" are all the rage right now. As a result, they tend to be pretty pricey. You can get a lot more for your money with a DSLR. And, mirrorless are great for some things... but not so much for others. Their potentially smaller size and lighter weight can make one great for travel or for "street" photography. But there are some challenges making them work with ultrawide lenses, such as might be wanted for landscapes or architectural interiors. There also aren't many powerful telephotos for sports and wildlife photographers, who also might prefer a DSLR's autofocus system and optical viewfinder, over what's offered in most mirrorless. Sure, some mirrorless systems can utilized lenses designed for DSLRs, via an adapter. But doing that sort of defeats a lot of the reasons for spending more to get a mirrorless camera.
In the end, a mirrorless camera also doesn't make for "better pictures" in any way. Many of them simply use the same sensors as are being used in DSLRs, producing identical quality images with a slightly more compact camera, but with less lens selection and some other compromises.