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Nov 15, 2017 10:48:08   #
selmslie Loc: Fernandina Beach, FL, USA
 
SlideRule wrote:
... maybe OP can try using a file recovery utility to see if the raw files can be resurrected ....

It's a lot simpler than that. Since the images were deleted only a couple of days ago they are probably in the recycle bin. All you need to do is right-click on a file and select Restore.

If he is using a MAC it's probably just as easy.

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Nov 15, 2017 15:47:32   #
Dabe Loc: Southern Missouri, Ozarks
 
selmslie wrote:
Everyone has been trying to offer suggestions with the best of intentions but many of us initially overlooked this statement. It rules out a lot of the speculation.

The problem cannot be the lights, reflections, flare or the protective filter. They were present for all of the unaffected images, 98% of the total. So you should examine:

1. In the first 20 images, did the problem go away gradually? Then it might be the camera temperature reaching a steady state and staying there for the rest of the game.
2. Did the problem go away suddenly when you changed from ISO 6400 to 3200?
3. Did you do anything different in post processing the first 20 images that you did not do for the others?

You posted only three images for us to examine but you can answer these questions by looking at the others.
Everyone has been trying to offer suggestions with... (show quote)


I didn't overlook this statement, however the lines in the image do not appear to be indicative of a moire type pattern, nor do they match what I would expect to see resulting from pulsating light from gas tube lighting. Therefore I would, contrary to your findings, rule out about everything but reflections. Perhaps there were only a few shots taken where the camera was at such an angle as to make the reflections noticeable, but that doesn't rule out reflections. I would bet that if and when the op goes to the trouble of recovering the raw images, he'll find the lines there as well. If you look at the lines, they look like a distorted, and unfocused, image of a net, with the type of distortion I would expect to see from the image reflected off the convex surface of the objective lens and onto the flat surface of the filter. We don't even have to guess as to whether or not a net was present, we already know it was.
If it looks like poop, and it smells like poop, you probably don't need to taste it to know what it is!

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Nov 15, 2017 16:01:33   #
selmslie Loc: Fernandina Beach, FL, USA
 
Dabe wrote:
I didn't overlook this statement, however the lines in the image do not appear to be indicative of a moire type pattern, nor do they match what I would expect to see resulting from pulsating light from gas tube lighting. Therefore I would, contrary to your findings, rule out about everything but reflections. Perhaps there were only a few shots taken where the camera was at such an angle as to make the reflections noticeable, but that doesn't rule out reflections. I would bet that if and when the op goes to the trouble of recovering the raw images, he'll find the lines there as well. If you look at the lines, they look like a distorted, and unfocused, image of a net, with the type of distortion I would expect to see from the image reflected off the convex surface of the objective lens and onto the flat surface of the filter. We don't even have to guess as to whether or not a net was present, we already know it was.
If it looks like poop, and it smells like poop, you probably don't need to taste it to know what it is!
I didn't overlook this statement, however the line... (show quote)

We were shown only 3 images and the first one clearly looks like moiré to many of us. The moiré is not as clear in the second one but the regular pattern of dots covers the entire image. It's not a net.

The chance that it has anything to do with reflections and that they occurred only in the first 20 images and not any of the remaining images from the 1100 taken is simply too much of a coincidence.

The OP has made it clear that there was no glass or net present. All of the images were taken last Saturday so I'm sure we can trust his memory on that.

The ball is in the OP's court. Once he has time to look at the images he should be able to narrow down what they have in common.

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Nov 15, 2017 16:04:04   #
Yankeepapa6 Loc: New York City
 
selmslie wrote:
We were shown only 3 images and the first one clearly looks like moiré to many of us. The moiré is not as clear in the second one but the regular pattern of dots covers the entire image. It's not a net.

The chance that it has anything to do with reflections and that they occurred only in the first 20 images and not any of the remaining images from the 1100 taken is simply too much of a coincidence.

The OP has made it clear that there was no glass or net present. All of the images were taken last Saturday so I'm sure we can trust his memory on that.

The ball is in the OP's court. Once he has time to look at the images he should be able to narrow down what they have in common.
We were shown only 3 images and the first one clea... (show quote)


I wonder if the OP is regreating asking his question???

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Nov 15, 2017 17:52:43   #
selmslie Loc: Fernandina Beach, FL, USA
 
brooklyn-camera I wrote:
2014 is connected to my Brooklyn-Camera 2014 Photos were from this past weekend 11-11-17.

You might want to change your copyright on the images. Part of what initially mislead us was your "2014 ©'. You should not apply a 2014 copyright date to an image taken in 2017.

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Nov 15, 2017 18:50:47   #
brooklyn-camera I Loc: Brooklyn, NY
 
https://photographylife.com/what-is-moire This is a maybe.....or could have been in post editing in CCLR?

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Nov 15, 2017 18:52:12   #
brooklyn-camera I Loc: Brooklyn, NY
 
Not at all....this has been gone on for a while. https://photographylife.com/what-is-moire eight pages and growing....
Yankeepapa6 wrote:
I wonder if the OP is regreating asking his question???

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Nov 15, 2017 18:55:35   #
brooklyn-camera I Loc: Brooklyn, NY
 
Say Poop-Man....there is zero netting above the players bench, there is a platform above the bench area. Keep on Pooping....lol.
Dabe wrote:
I didn't overlook this statement, however the lines in the image do not appear to be indicative of a moire type pattern, nor do they match what I would expect to see resulting from pulsating light from gas tube lighting. Therefore I would, contrary to your findings, rule out about everything but reflections. Perhaps there were only a few shots taken where the camera was at such an angle as to make the reflections noticeable, but that doesn't rule out reflections. I would bet that if and when the op goes to the trouble of recovering the raw images, he'll find the lines there as well. If you look at the lines, they look like a distorted, and unfocused, image of a net, with the type of distortion I would expect to see from the image reflected off the convex surface of the objective lens and onto the flat surface of the filter. We don't even have to guess as to whether or not a net was present, we already know it was.
If it looks like poop, and it smells like poop, you probably don't need to taste it to know what it is!
I didn't overlook this statement, however the line... (show quote)

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Nov 15, 2017 20:04:14   #
Dabe Loc: Southern Missouri, Ozarks
 
brooklyn-camera I wrote:
Yes there is netting above the glass the entire rink.


Hey Poop for brains, looks like you can't even remember what you've said in your own post, and we're supposed to go by what you think you remember.

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Nov 15, 2017 20:22:32   #
selmslie Loc: Fernandina Beach, FL, USA
 
Dabe wrote:
Hey Poop for brains, looks like you can't even remember what you've said in your own post, and we're supposed to go by what you think you remember.

Maybe you need to start reading again from the top.

There was no glass where he was sitting so there was no netting between the camera and the subjects.

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Nov 15, 2017 20:28:22   #
Dabe Loc: Southern Missouri, Ozarks
 
selmslie wrote:
We were shown only 3 images and the first one clearly looks like moiré to many of us. The moiré is not as clear in the second one but the regular pattern of dots covers the entire image. It's not a net.

The chance that it has anything to do with reflections and that they occurred only in the first 20 images and not any of the remaining images from the 1100 taken is simply too much of a coincidence.

The OP has made it clear that there was no glass or net present. All of the images were taken last Saturday so I'm sure we can trust his memory on that.

The ball is in the OP's court. Once he has time to look at the images he should be able to narrow down what they have in common.
We were shown only 3 images and the first one clea... (show quote)


Scotty, The second image does look somewhat like a moiré pattern, and they both certainly could be, however, if I'm seeing what I think I am seeing, I don't think it could be. I'll try to enhance the pattern to show you what I'm talking about.

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Nov 15, 2017 20:34:38   #
Dabe Loc: Southern Missouri, Ozarks
 
selmslie wrote:
Maybe you need to start reading again from the top.

There was no glass where he was sitting so there was no netting between the camera and the subjects.


I did read from the top, and I'm not talking about anything between the camera and the subjects. I'll post some pics to try to explain what I'm referring to.

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Nov 15, 2017 20:48:30   #
selmslie Loc: Fernandina Beach, FL, USA
 
Dabe wrote:
Scotty, The second image does look somewhat like a moiré pattern, and they both certainly could be, however, if I'm seeing what I think I am seeing, I don't think it could be. I'll try to enhance the pattern to show you what I'm talking about.

The OP's topic is, "What are these lines from?" In the second image it is not as obvious as in the first.

The lines in the first image are clearly moiré. Where they are 'from" (what caused them) is the real question. Was it temperature, ISO or processing?

We don't have enough to go on. He needs to tell us some more about the images he did not post. Until he does there is not much point in further speculation on our part.

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Nov 15, 2017 21:27:51   #
Dabe Loc: Southern Missouri, Ozarks
 
selmslie wrote:
The OP's topic is, "What are these lines from?" In the second image it is not as obvious as in the first.

The lines in the first image are clearly moiré. Where they are 'from" (what caused them) is the real question. Was it temperature, ISO or processing?

We don't have enough to go on. He needs to tell us some more about the images he did not post. Until he does there is not much point in further speculation on our part.


Scotty, "The lines in the first image are clearly moiré." I'll have to respectfully disagree and, as I said, I'll have to work on some images to show you why. I've understood the OP's question from the start, and the fact there was no glass and no netting between the lens and the subject, with the exception of his UV filter.

"Where they are 'from" (what caused them) is the real question. Was it temperature, ISO or processing?"

In my opinion, none of the three! I believe they were caused by a secondary reflection on the back of the filter. I could be wrong, and you could be right, but I'm not through working on this problem yet.

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Nov 15, 2017 22:31:47   #
brooklyn-camera I Loc: Brooklyn, NY
 
A few more photos....
selmslie wrote:
The OP's topic is, "What are these lines from?" In the second image it is not as obvious as in the first.

The lines in the first image are clearly moiré. Where they are 'from" (what caused them) is the real question. Was it temperature, ISO or processing?

We don't have enough to go on. He needs to tell us some more about the images he did not post. Until he does there is not much point in further speculation on our part.


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