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Nov 14, 2017 18:50:59   #
MikWar Loc: Chicago, Western Suburbs
 
Stunning pic.

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Nov 14, 2017 20:31:14   #
Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)
 
vonzip wrote:
Good capture. There's a lot to be said for editing when you have a decent photo to start with.


Thanks!

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Nov 14, 2017 20:31:25   #
Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)
 
MikWar wrote:
Stunning pic.


Thanks!

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Nov 14, 2017 20:36:51   #
Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)
 
tdekany wrote:
The end result you are seeing is the result of a person who has skills both as a photographer and as a post processor.

Just like the best camera in the world in the hands of a snapshot shooter, the greatest PP program is wasted on someone who is clueless.

Gene is awesome!


Thanks! So far this year it is my favorite! Something to be said for being in the right place at the right time with the right gear.

I took these two the day before, about 20 minutes later in the day. I liked these a lot, but the other one is clearly superior, at least to my eye.


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Nov 14, 2017 21:06:04   #
tdekany Loc: Oregon
 
Gene51 wrote:
Thanks! So far this year it is my favorite! Something to be said for being in the right place at the right time with the right gear.

I took these two the day before, about 20 minutes later in the day. I liked these a lot, but the other one is clearly superior, at least to my eye.


I agree, the first one is best and it is my favorite of yours.

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Nov 15, 2017 09:26:18   #
Rich1939 Loc: Pike County Penna.
 
Gene51 wrote:
Don't judge by the thumbnail which is contrasty and oversaturated. Download and open the saved image.


Great way to start the day!
A Bear Mountain sunset with my morning coffee.
I think I might have learned something from this photo. The vehicles on the bridge aren't showing as much movement as one might expect. I guess that the distance reduces the angle and there for the amount traveled. Or something.

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Nov 15, 2017 11:18:24   #
Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)
 
Rich1939 wrote:
Great way to start the day!
A Bear Mountain sunset with my morning coffee.
I think I might have learned something from this photo. The vehicles on the bridge aren't showing as much movement as one might expect. I guess that the distance reduces the angle and there for the amount traveled. Or something.


Thanks!

You are 100% correct on the movement, but it's a sunrise - I am looking east at around 7:15 AM - looking at Anthony's Nose and the Bear Mt Bridge from Fort Montgomery.

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Nov 15, 2017 11:51:36   #
Rich1939 Loc: Pike County Penna.
 
Gene51 wrote:
Thanks!

You are 100% correct on the movement, but it's a sunrise - I am looking east at around 7:15 AM - looking at Anthony's Nose and the Bear Mt Bridge from Fort Montgomery.

I'll happily accept the correction since it has been a long time since I've ventured in that direction.

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Nov 15, 2017 12:04:45   #
Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)
 
Rich1939 wrote:
I'll happily accept the correction since it has been a long time since I've ventured in that direction.


I was there last week. Nothing has changed.

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Nov 18, 2017 20:31:25   #
UTMike Loc: South Jordan, UT
 
Great discussion for the amateur lurkers. Thanks to all the participants!

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Jan 27, 2018 06:12:08   #
CyberDave Loc: Pennsylvania
 
rook2c4 wrote:
If colors are severely clipping all over the place then, at least for me, the image is over-saturated, and this is something I generally avoid. However, some people seem to like it that way. Or perhaps clipping simply doesn't bother them as it does me. If we look at photography as an art form, then there really are no rules concerning what is right and what is wrong.

@rook2c4:"If we look at photography as an art form, then there really are no rules concerning what is right and what is wrong."
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Yes indeed!>an important 'perspective', to consider...whilst viewing another 'photographer's' work! I've always viewed my photographic work, as 'Artistic Expressions', as visualized~through my mind's eye!:> 'CyberDave'

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Jan 27, 2018 10:28:06   #
Stlouisphotog
 
SS319 wrote:
I reject reality!

We applaud Artists whose vision escapes reality and allows them to re-create on canvas what they see in their mind's eye, so why should we limit our photography to accurate reproductions of reality. Do you remember sitting on the shores of Lake Michigan watching a sunset with that favorite girl when you were a teenager? Carefully consider that image in your mind - were those grey clouds with a tinge of red orange and blue above a lake of grey-blue water, or do those colors burn with the flames of your romance and your thoughts of that night.

When we do a still life of a bowl of fruit, will we settle for that weak orange color of a Valencia orange, the thin red and green color of an apple, or do we saturate those images to increase the saliva flows and the desire to reach into that photograph and grab that fruit.

Study the B&W photographs of the depression and dust bowl eras, study how the photographers added noise and contrast to their images to convey the ultimate hardship of these people's condition. Should we not use saturation the same way.

My goal is never to reproduce reality, but to induce emotions, and saturation is but one tool available to produce that image.
I reject reality! br br We applaud Artists whose ... (show quote)


Well said!

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Jan 27, 2018 12:06:53   #
CyberDave Loc: Pennsylvania
 
md91 wrote:
Well said!

'Well said'~indeed!!!!!> Perfect just Perfect!:>

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Jan 27, 2018 12:28:50   #
SharpShooter Loc: NorCal
 
CyberDave wrote:
@rook2c4:"If we look at photography as an art form, then there really are no rules concerning what is right and what is wrong."
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Yes indeed!>an important 'perspective', to consider...whilst viewing another 'photographer's' work! I've always viewed my photographic work, as 'Artistic Expressions', as visualized~through my mind's eye!:> 'CyberDave'


I worked as an archeologist for ten years. There's an old joke, pretty much ANYTHING you can't figure out or explain falls into a category called "ceremonial"!!! It's the photographic equivalent of "ART", or artistic expression.
For the uninitiated, the untrained and certainly, the uneducated in that discipline, "ART" is the catchall for crappy work!!!
We as humans are, "hard-wired" to perceive certain things pretty much all the same. Hence rules develop, even if only as guidelines but they are for the most part true. There aren't that many exceptions, mostly just those that are untrained and unable to comprehend the rules.
The more training you have, the more you realize the rules hold true, BUT the better prepared you are to bend them and even break them.
For everyone else there is "ARTISTIC EXPRESSION"!!! Sure it exist but it is NOT, willy-nilly!!!
SS

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Jan 28, 2018 04:32:48   #
CyberDave Loc: Pennsylvania
 
SS319 wrote:
I reject reality!

We applaud Artists whose vision escapes reality and allows them to re-create on canvas what they see in their mind's eye, so why should we limit our photography to accurate reproductions of reality. Do you remember sitting on the shores of Lake Michigan watching a sunset with that favorite girl when you were a teenager? Carefully consider that image in your mind - were those grey clouds with a tinge of red orange and blue above a lake of grey-blue water, or do those colors burn with the flames of your romance and your thoughts of that night.

When we do a still life of a bowl of fruit, will we settle for that weak orange color of a Valencia orange, the thin red and green color of an apple, or do we saturate those images to increase the saliva flows and the desire to reach into that photograph and grab that fruit.

Study the B&W photographs of the depression and dust bowl eras, study how the photographers added noise and contrast to their images to convey the ultimate hardship of these people's condition. Should we not use saturation the same way.

My goal is never to reproduce reality, but to induce emotions, and saturation is but one tool available to produce that image.
I reject reality! br br We applaud Artists whose ... (show quote)
*[Three Cheers!!!] Greetings, 'SS319'!:>

@'SS319':"My goal is never to reproduce reality, but to induce emotions, and saturation is but one tool available to produce that image."
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'Saturation'- is indeed a powerful tool...that certainly should be considered~in any final composition. Now, as to the degree {strictly-subjective in nature}(?)~well it's 'artistic' license, that should prevail...in the final and completed photographic work.

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