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Oct 19, 2017 14:39:04   #
Bill_de Loc: US
 
whitewolfowner wrote:
You still don't get it. You see $10 to some, and probably not you since you have the attitude you do, is a lot of money, while to others it's not even pocket change. Those of us that are on budgets and trying to be creative cannot afford the extortion, which is what this is when the companies wallets are now more like what fort Knox used to be. There is such a thing as a fair profit and then there is just out right robbery. Adobe is abusing the fact that people need their software in order to use their photo equipment to make a living and that is just out right immoral. OK, all you millionaires that have lost the value of a dollar, go ahead and trash me, it's nothing you haven't done in the past. Perhaps, those that think that the $10 a month is nothing, they could put in another nothing into a fund for those who can't afford it; wouldn't that be the democratic way of things. Now that statement should win me over some libertards.

Bottom line is that Adobe did fine as company before the extortion stunt, but I predict their greed is going to be their down fall. And the number of pissed off people here only proves that point. I predicted years ago Nascar would shoot themselves in the foot (when they started showing the races on pay TV channels and not free TV, where the majority of their fan base comes from); now they can barely fill half the stands even at their great races; the NFL is doing it to themselves right now (I said it would happen shortly after that piece of increment in San Francisco started his stunt last year); now they are having trouble filling stands and will fall if they keep it up. It's a corporate stupid mentality that they think they can do anything they want and we won't retaliate.
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Maybe you need to spend more time earning money and less time crying. Then you will be able to spend $10. And, nobody needs Adobe software. You could spend time learning to use something else. Boo Hoo doesn't accomplish much.

You could also invest in Adobe.


https://www.cnbc.com/2017/10/19/adobe-hits-new-all-time-high-as-wall-street-loves-its-new-a-i-cloud-products.html


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Oct 19, 2017 14:53:38   #
insaneo Loc: Byram, ms.
 
Bill_de wrote:
What about using the free Adobe DNG convertor?

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I use it and it's fine. My thing is adobe is always gouging folks. Even though I paid over 600.00 for cs4, is that right? Is it worth it? Maybe for a professional (which I'm not). I did it once, but never again. Is it worth 600.00? No! They suckered me once, but never again. My own fault. They should come way down on the price and stop this creative cloud nonsense. That's why I use dpp and affinity. Between the two it gets the job done without continuing to pay adobe. When I purchase another camera be Nikon or Canon I'll use affinity and dpp. I'm pretty much over Adobe. If Affinity can produce software that's great for 50.00 then Adobe can also. Adobe can't even make flash secure. come on! They're just in it for the money.

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Oct 19, 2017 14:57:41   #
Notorious T.O.D. Loc: Harrisburg, North Carolina
 
No, I still have a much better understanding of the issue than you do or ever will I suspect.
SIMPLE SOLUTION...IF YOU CAN AFFORD IT DON'T BUY IT, DON'T USE IT AND DON'T CRY ABOUT IT!!!
There are many things in life that I an other people can't or choose not to buy but I don't sit around crying about it being unfair that I can't afford their product or that they should make it so I can afford it no matter what my level of income or wealth. That would be ridiculous...
If you don't use Adobe products and they go out of business you will be able to come on here and tell us you were right about NASCAR, perhaps the NFL and Adobe.

Best,
Todd Ferguson

whitewolfowner wrote:
You still don't get it. You see $10 to some, and probably not you since you have the attitude you do, is a lot of money, while to others it's not even pocket change. Those of us that are on budgets and trying to be creative cannot afford the extortion, which is what this is when the companies wallets are now more like what fort Knox used to be. There is such a thing as a fair profit and then there is just out right robbery. Adobe is abusing the fact that people need their software in order to use their photo equipment to make a living and that is just out right immoral. OK, all you millionaires that have lost the value of a dollar, go ahead and trash me, it's nothing you haven't done in the past. Perhaps, those that think that the $10 a month is nothing, they could put in another nothing into a fund for those who can't afford it; wouldn't that be the democratic way of things. Now that statement should win me over some libertards.

Bottom line is that Adobe did fine as company before the extortion stunt, but I predict their greed is going to be their down fall. And the number of pissed off people here only proves that point. I predicted years ago Nascar would shoot themselves in the foot (when they started showing the races on pay TV channels and not free TV, where the majority of their fan base comes from); now they can barely fill half the stands even at their great races; the NFL is doing it to themselves right now (I said it would happen shortly after that piece of increment in San Francisco started his stunt last year); now they are having trouble filling stands and will fall if they keep it up. It's a corporate stupid mentality that they think they can do anything they want and we won't retaliate.
You still don't get it. You see $10 to some, and ... (show quote)

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Oct 19, 2017 15:03:21   #
Bill_de Loc: US
 
insaneo wrote:
I use it and it's fine. My thing is adobe is always gouging folks. Even though I paid over 600.00 for cs4, is that right? Is it worth it? Maybe for a professional (which I'm not). I did it once, but never again. Is it worth 600.00? No! They suckered me once, but never again. My own fault. They should come way down on the price and stop this creative cloud nonsense. That's why I use dpp and affinity. Between the two it gets the job done without continuing to pay adobe. When I purchase another camera be Nikon or Canon I'll use affinity and dpp. I'm pretty much over Adobe. If Affinity can produce software that's great for 50.00 then Adobe can also. Adobe can't even make flash secure. come on! They're just in it for the money.
I use it and it's fine. My thing is adobe is alwa... (show quote)


I don't understand your problem. The "FREE" dng converter is kept up to date. I have CS5, and my newest camera is a D500. You can continue to use CS4 that you paid for years ago. Seems like you are getting your money's worth. I recently purchased PS Elements and Premiere Elements for $69. Very reasonable and capable for us non professionals. GM doesn't sell a Cadillac for the price of a Chevy, but both get the job done.

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Oct 19, 2017 15:07:51   #
jeep_daddy Loc: Prescott AZ
 
Look at it a little more closely and you'll see that they have a new Lightroom CC that basically replaces Lightroom Mobile. It's a lot like the mobile version you can use on your phone or tablet but now you can use it on your computer as well. It does work with raw files and in my opinion it's for those people that want to post a lot of their pictures on social media, not serious photographers that want serious abilities to edit photos. Lightroom CC was renamed Lightroom Classic CC. So it's still the same and it's not going away. It's better now and it's about time. The older version was 2015.

So if you really do a lot of cell phone pics and you want to buy 1TB of cloud space and use LR CC this is the ticket for $10/month. If you want the same bundle you've been using for $9.99/mo & you want 1TB with the new Lightroom CC, it will cost you $20/month. If you like it the way it is, then simply don't install the new Lightroom CC, just get the new upgraded Photoshop, Bridge, and Lightroom Classic CC. But for free, you can try and use the new LR CC and you get 20GB of free cloud space to see if you like it. I'll probably configure it so that only my cell phone pics go to the Adobe cloud and that they are only jpg pics so 20gb of cloud should work fine. I've used the LR mobile app and it works very well. I suspect it's even better now.

Quantus5 wrote:
Lots of murky and byzantine details, and amazed no one sent info on this out yet.

Today Adobe released some new pricing plans around Lightroom.

Buried in the byzantine details, is that Adobe is phasing out Lightroom standalone. :-(

Here are a few links:

https://www.engadget.com/2017/10/18/adobe-max-lightroom-cc-cloud-1tb/

https://www.cnet.com/news/adobe-lightroom-cc-faces-an-uphill-climb-photoshop-2018/

Looks like they still have the $10 a month plan, and they rolled out a new $20 a month plan -- the main addition for the $20 plan appears to be 1TB of cloud storage for that extra $10.

Personally -- I'm glad I'm not an Adobe user, plenty of great alternatives that are almost as good and way, way less expensive . It's only going to get worse going down the road. My prediction is that in two years or less the $10 a month plan will be the $11.99 or $12.99 a month plan.
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Oct 19, 2017 15:12:09   #
Yankeepapa6 Loc: New York City
 
rgrenaderphoto wrote:
OMFG, it's 2017. You subscribe to a local newspaper? You pay a monthly fee for internet access? You do it all the time for much, much more than $10/month. The nice thing about Lightroom is, once you get comfortable in your workflow, you can leave all the new gadgets alone until you have a situation where it will make a difference.

I guess change is hard for some folks.


You do know it is not necessary for you to reply.

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Oct 19, 2017 15:14:51   #
whitewolfowner
 
Bill_de wrote:
Maybe you need to spend more time earning money and less time crying. Then you will be able to spend $10. And, nobody needs Adobe software. You could spend time learning to use something else. Boo Hoo doesn't accomplish much.

You could also invest in Adobe.


https://www.cnbc.com/2017/10/19/adobe-hits-new-all-time-high-as-wall-street-loves-its-new-a-i-cloud-products.html


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And who's doing the whining here. You have no idea what my finances are; of course if you are that concerned I can start sending you all my bills for payment; will that calm you down and stop the whining. Try saying something constructive. Like I said, I get the flack from the peanut gallery.

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Oct 19, 2017 15:18:10   #
wrangler5 Loc: Missouri
 
Folks, Adobe is a LARGE, LONG-ESTABLISHED commercial enterprise. They have been selling products for a LONG time, and that means they have been setting their selling prices for just as long.

The correct price for any product in any market is that which maximizes the profit to the seller, and is set at the point where a lower price produces more sales but lower profit and a higher price produces fewer sales and a lower profit. Whether you, or I, think a particular price is too high or too low or just right is UTTERLY IRRELEVANT except as it affects our individual decision to buy or not.

The fact that Adobe has remained in business is evidence that, on the whole, they know how to set their prices properly. That is actually ALL that ANY of us can know without access to the internal data which Adobe uses to set the prices. (One thing which I recall being mentioned when CC was rolled out, but haven't heard much of since then, is the benefit that CC offers Adobe in the ongoing fight against software piracy - an element of "cost" which none of us can even begin to quantify without internal data. And another element of why our individual feelings about a price are irrelevant outside of our individual situations.)

Personally, I don't like the subscription model. I did rent PS CC for several years, but dropped it a few months ago when I determined that Elements would do all the pixel level stuff I need to do, for less than one year of PS CC's subscription. And I never subscribed to LR CC, just keeping my standalone copy. So here I stand, independent of the cloud on this one function. Yet I'm still nothing but a single data point in Adobe's vast market.

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Oct 19, 2017 15:21:31   #
Bill_de Loc: US
 
whitewolfowner wrote:
You have no idea what my finances are; ...



If I can believe you, I know you can't afford $10.

You said,

"Those of us that are on budgets and trying to be creative cannot afford the extortion, ..."


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Oct 19, 2017 15:34:37   #
whitewolfowner
 
Bill_de wrote:
If I can believe you, I know you can't afford $10.

You said,

"Those of us that are on budgets and trying to be creative cannot afford the extortion, ..."


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Oct 19, 2017 15:42:34   #
whitewolfowner
 
Bill de, the stupid thing won't let me post a reply on the quote reply but maybe you are waking up; maybe! Just try to imagine a life where you have to double check every dollar you spend. I'm sure it's a shock to know that is the position most Americans are in.

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Oct 19, 2017 15:46:55   #
DSmith
 
My feelings are if you cannot afford it don't get it but don't complain about what Adobe is doing. It is their business and they can run it as they see fit. We are not entitled to any freebies. There are a lot of things I would like to have but they are out of my price range or I do not feel they are a financially good investment (a canon 1DX mark II is one). If you don't like Adobe's pricing use what comes with your camera, find an alternative, or pay Adobe's price, it is your choice.
Has anyone used Topaz Studio and if so what do you think of it? It is free with limited capabilities.

David Smith

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Oct 19, 2017 15:47:02   #
Notorious T.O.D. Loc: Harrisburg, North Carolina
 
$10 is nearly 33 cents a day... But have I and others have said there are alternatives and no one is forcing you to buy Adobe...
So, I just don't see what the beef is mostly... How much of our tax money gets wasted each day? I don't see this much complaining about that...

Best,
Todd Ferguson

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Oct 19, 2017 15:50:32   #
Bill_de Loc: US
 
whitewolfowner wrote:
Bill de, the stupid thing won't let me post a reply on the quote reply but maybe you are waking up; maybe! Just try to imagine a life where you have to double check every dollar you spend. I'm sure it's a shock to know that is the position most Americans are in.


I do understand that many people are in that same position. So we buy what we can afford or find a way to earn more. As with the car analogy, we don't cry about how expensive the Caddy is, we buy a Chevy and use it as long as it still runs.

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Oct 19, 2017 16:00:39   #
Yankeepapa6 Loc: New York City
 
Notorious T.O.D. wrote:
$10 is nearly 33 cents a day... But have I and others have said there are alternatives and no one is forcing you to buy Adobe...
So, I just don't see what the beef is mostly... How much of our tax money gets wasted each day? I don't see this much complaining about that...

Best,
Todd Ferguson


Good point about wasted tax dollars

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