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Oct 6, 2017 11:17:12   #
boberic Loc: Quiet Corner, Connecticut. Ex long Islander
 
GDP 3.1%----Country's wealth up $ 5 trillion--Unemployment, lowest in a decade---stock market up %20-- Illegal border crossings, way down---Manufacturing, up. Not bad for a "failing president"

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Oct 6, 2017 11:29:12   #
JohnFrim Loc: Somewhere in the Great White North.
 
So you think he deserves the credit for all of this?

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Oct 6, 2017 11:38:28   #
John_F Loc: Minneapolis, MN
 
All of these gains are due to long term trends in various economic sectors. None are due to recent legislative or executive policy measures. In a current report there are unfilled jobs owing to accelerating baby boomer retirements. The hitch is too few of the younger set have the recqusite sk**l sets. Be careful of whom you credit, your investment portfolio depends on it.

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Oct 6, 2017 11:41:54   #
boberic Loc: Quiet Corner, Connecticut. Ex long Islander
 
JohnFrim wrote:
So you think he deserves the credit for all of this?


Do you think he would be severely critized if all those numbers were lower than when he took office?

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Oct 6, 2017 12:01:37   #
JohnFrim Loc: Somewhere in the Great White North.
 
I believe government/big-business/society is like a heavy rock on the move -- it has a lot of momentum, and it takes time and effort to change its course. So I agree with John_F about the current situation being the result of longer term trends.

What scares me, as a Canadian, is what is happening in the US and on the world stage. I shudder to think who will lead the free world when the US loses its respect among allies. What Trump is doing today will have long term impact that again will be hard to rectify.

Make America Great Again is more aptly written Make America Grate Again.
God Bless America should be changed to God Help America.

And for the record, I don't think Hilary was a great candidate either (these were the best 2 out of 350,000,000 people???), but she would have been more p**********l. Trump may be a good businessman (if profits are your gauge), but he is not a good politician, he is not a statesman, he is not a diplomat, and certainly not a good leader/president.

I hope the US populace in general comes to their senses sooner rather than later and gets rid of this ... (insert any number of unflattering nouns describing Trump). Hopefully Mike Pence can then take the reins and put the US back on course. Despite his backing of his boss (which is admirable and noble in and of itself), Pence at least speaks like a gentleman when he opens his mouth.

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Oct 6, 2017 13:37:41   #
FlyingTiger Loc: Tortola, BVI
 
JohnFrim wrote:
So you think he deserves the credit for all of this?


Nah, I think Hillary and Putin deserve all the credit. LOL I***t.

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Oct 6, 2017 14:41:18   #
John_F Loc: Minneapolis, MN
 
As a Canadian I do not suppose JohnFrim realizes how dangerous Pence is. He is seasoned politician who knows how to manipulate all the levers of government and is several leagues further right than Trump. It is my view that Trump should not be removed for he stands as the best reason to v**e Democratic in 2018 (all House seats and some Senate seats) and in 2020 (President, whole House, some Senate seats).

JohnFrim wrote:
I believe government/big-business/society is like a heavy rock on the move -- it has a lot of momentum, and it takes time and effort to change its course. So I agree with John_F about the current situation being the result of longer term trends.

What scares me, as a Canadian, is what is happening in the US and on the world stage. I shudder to think who will lead the free world when the US loses its respect among allies. What Trump is doing today will have long term impact that again will be hard to rectify.

Make America Great Again is more aptly written Make America Grate Again.
God Bless America should be changed to God Help America.

And for the record, I don't think Hilary was a great candidate either (these were the best 2 out of 350,000,000 people???), but she would have been more p**********l. Trump may be a good businessman (if profits are your gauge), but he is not a good politician, he is not a statesman, he is not a diplomat, and certainly not a good leader/president.

I hope the US populace in general comes to their senses sooner rather than later and gets rid of this ... (insert any number of unflattering nouns describing Trump). Hopefully Mike Pence can then take the reins and put the US back on course. Despite his backing of his boss (which is admirable and noble in and of itself), Pence at least speaks like a gentleman when he opens his mouth.
I believe government/big-business/society is like ... (show quote)

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Oct 6, 2017 15:23:11   #
Kraken Loc: Barry's Bay
 
John_F wrote:
As a Canadian I do not suppose JohnFrim realizes how dangerous Pence is. He is seasoned politician who knows how to manipulate all the levers of government and is several leagues further right than Trump. It is my view that Trump should not be removed for he stands as the best reason to v**e Democratic in 2018 (all House seats and some Senate seats) and in 2020 (President, whole House, some Senate seats).


Thats what I heard and agree should wait till 2018. Hope he doesn't destroy the planet before then.

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Oct 6, 2017 15:54:17   #
JohnFrim Loc: Somewhere in the Great White North.
 
I would be the first to admit that I don't know much about Pence and his policies. All I know is what little I see of him on TV news. Perhaps he is worse than Trump in terms of ideas, policies, etc, and I don't wish anyone that is worse than Trump on my souther neighbours. My comments were based on "presentation", and I was simply trying to point out that Pence presents a far better persona than Trump. There may well be a monster behind that smooth talker, so maybe you are better keeping an ... (adjective, adjective, noun)... as the front man.

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Oct 6, 2017 23:03:45   #
SharpShooter Loc: NorCal
 
boberic wrote:
GDP 3.1%----Country's wealth up $ 5 trillion--Unemployment, lowest in a decade---stock market up %20-- Illegal border crossings, way down---Manufacturing, up. Not bad for a "failing president"


Unfortunately for you dumb TURDS, he's done s**t for those numbers to happen. Just being elected won't make changes.
All of those things were already in motion as a result of a robust economy handed to him by Bamma. It took Bush ll, 8 years to completely destroy the robust economy handed to him from Clinton, but destroy it he did.
When PUTOS starts to ACTUALLY enact legislation to steer the Economy, then history will give him the recognition due, but it won't be you prematurely gloating.
As of now, even the republicans in both houses won't pass the trash his millionaires throw out as legitimate legislation. Check back in 2 years and see just how well his presidency is humming along. It won't be humming, it will be crying!!! LoL
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Oct 7, 2017 09:34:00   #
dljen Loc: Central PA
 
I'm sure when California goes up in a mushroom cloud that they'll be thinking what a great GDP there is.

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Oct 7, 2017 09:58:49   #
Szalajj Loc: Salem, NH
 
boberic wrote:
GDP 3.1%----Country's wealth up $ 5 trillion--Unemployment, lowest in a decade---stock market up %20-- Illegal border crossings, way down---Manufacturing, up. Not bad for a "failing president"

The favorable unemployment numbers were blown out of the water after Harvey and Irma threw hundreds of thousands of employees out of work following those hurricanes.

The destruction of buildings forced businesses to close.

The pollution that these hurricanes left in their respective wakes could result in private citizens and businesses having to tear down their buildings.

The cost of rebuilding lives and businesses will not help the economy short term, because disaster relief only trickles down to the end user.

Rebuilding takes a toll on the finances of the individuals who were the hardest hit when the storms roared through. The least affluent in our society.

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Oct 7, 2017 10:05:58   #
dljen Loc: Central PA
 
If the country is so well off, why do only 32% feel America is on the right track?

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Oct 7, 2017 10:10:18   #
Szalajj Loc: Salem, NH
 
John_F wrote:
As a Canadian I do not suppose JohnFrim realizes how dangerous Pence is. He is seasoned politician who knows how to manipulate all the levers of government and is several leagues further right than Trump. It is my view that Trump should not be removed for he stands as the best reason to v**e Democratic in 2018 (all House seats and some Senate seats) and in 2020 (President, whole House, some Senate seats).

The entire trump administration will be taken down as a result of the Russian interference in the 2016 E******n. It's just a matter of the timing of when each person is removed as a result of their involvement in the Russian Collusion.

There are problems with every person who is currently on the list for Succession to be elevated to take over the Oval Office.

A lot hinges on just how deeply Mueller's investigation digs, and how soon his team releases their findings. It was reported last month that they had already amassed over 40,000 tons of evidence in just the first three and a half months of their investigations.

The first two indictments are close to being handed down, for acting as foreign agents without registering as such.

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Oct 7, 2017 11:45:45   #
JohnFrim Loc: Somewhere in the Great White North.
 
Szalajj wrote:
The entire trump administration will be taken down as a result of the Russian interference in the 2016 E******n. It's just a matter of the timing of when each person is removed as a result of their involvement in the Russian Collusion.

There are problems with every person who is currently on the list for Succession to be elevated to take over the Oval Office.

A lot hinges on just how deeply Mueller's investigation digs, and how soon his team releases their findings. It was reported last month that they had already amassed over 40,000 tons of evidence in just the first three and a half months of their investigations.

The first two indictments are close to being handed down, for acting as foreign agents without registering as such.
The entire trump administration will be taken down... (show quote)


If you are correct, then how do you see this playing out? If the e******n is deemed illegitimate, can the US hold another e******n in short order? Who would run for the Democrats -- Hilary, Sanders? And who would run for the Republicans? Or will the presidency simply pass down the hierarchy to the first executive that is NOT indicted?

This would be history in the making!!!

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