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Sep 16, 2017 13:12:43   #
charles tabb Loc: Richmond VA.
 
JD750 wrote:
It seems to me that the key to being able to clean your own sensor is the ability to inspect the sensor, before and after. A good magnifier/light is key to the inspection.

So if it were me, I would start by obtaining the inspection tool first, before doing anything else.

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A good suggestion.

I myself use : Sensor KLEAR Loupe.

Works every time.

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Sep 16, 2017 13:16:37   #
Rab-Eye Loc: Indiana
 
charles tabb wrote:
I read all the way down the page, and finally you brought up SKY.
Easiest way to check a sensor.

The Sensor KLEAR Loupe has always worked for me.

I remember the first time I had specks on my sensor, I paid $65.00 for a cleaning and also had to travel 100 miles round trip to get it cleaned.
I had to leave the camera for 2 hours then pick it up and drive back home.
That camera store was a moneymaker.

Time got me smarter.
I read all the way down the page, and finally you ... (show quote)


Thanks, Charles.

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Sep 16, 2017 13:17:03   #
terry44 Loc: Tuolumne County California, Maui Hawaii
 
I usually use a sensor scope with the Sensor Gel Stick this usually does the job. I recently had to take my D800 in for a store cleaning which involved a ride to Tucson 79 miles from use but as I had a VA appointment that day it all was a wash, for some reason the dust wouldn't all come up with the Gel Stick guess I could have bought a wet kit but after the shop did the cleaning my sensor was squeaky clean and so was the camera they really did a nice job not only with the sensor but cleaned the camera inside and out so once or twice a year to the shop is not a bad idea. Don't be afraid of cleaning yourself as long as you do it gently and follow the instructions you will do just fine.
Rab-Eye wrote:
Friends, I might have some dust on the sensor of my D500. I've done some research, and I now have three questions:

1. While all videos and articles I've seen agree that your check for dust on your sensor at the smallest possible aperture, some say your camera should be focused, and others stress that it should be out of focus. I am interested in the opinions of those experienced in this matter.

2. When photographing something white to check for sensor dust, does using a flash affect the process? Or more simply put, should I or should I not use flash when I check?

3. I am a little spooked by the fact that there is so much written and recorded about how careful you have to be if you clean your own sensor. On the other hand, my local store gets $70 to clean the sensor. Is that a reasonable price? Is it such a risky job that I would be foolish to try it on my own?

Thanks so much!
Friends, I might have some dust on the sensor of m... (show quote)

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Sep 16, 2017 13:17:57   #
Rab-Eye Loc: Indiana
 
JD750 wrote:
It seems to me that the key to being able to clean your own sensor is the ability to inspect the sensor, before and after. A good magnifier/light is key to the inspection.

So if it were me, I would start by obtaining the inspection tool first, before doing anything else.


That sounds reasonable, JD. Thank you.

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Sep 16, 2017 13:18:47   #
Rab-Eye Loc: Indiana
 
rgrenaderphoto wrote:
That might be the Anti Aliasing filter you are referring to.


Sorry; I am not sure what you are referencing.

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Sep 16, 2017 13:19:28   #
Rab-Eye Loc: Indiana
 
terry44 wrote:
I usually use a sensor scope with the Sensor Gel Stick this usually does the job. I recently had to take my D800 in for a store cleaning which involved a ride to Tucson 79 miles from use but as I had a VA appointment that day it all was a wash, for some reason the dust wouldn't all come up with the Gel Stick guess I could have bought a wet kit but after the shop did the cleaning my sensor was squeaky clean and so was the camera they really did a nice job not only with the sensor but cleaned the camera inside and out so once or twice a year to the shop is not a bad idea. Don't be afraid of cleaning yourself as long as you do it gently and follow the instructions you will do just fine.
I usually use a sensor scope with the Sensor Gel S... (show quote)


Thank you, Terry.

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Sep 16, 2017 13:20:07   #
Rab-Eye Loc: Indiana
 
terry44 wrote:
I usually use a sensor scope with the Sensor Gel Stick this usually does the job. I recently had to take my D800 in for a store cleaning which involved a ride to Tucson 79 miles from use but as I had a VA appointment that day it all was a wash, for some reason the dust wouldn't all come up with the Gel Stick guess I could have bought a wet kit but after the shop did the cleaning my sensor was squeaky clean and so was the camera they really did a nice job not only with the sensor but cleaned the camera inside and out so once or twice a year to the shop is not a bad idea. Don't be afraid of cleaning yourself as long as you do it gently and follow the instructions you will do just fine.
I usually use a sensor scope with the Sensor Gel S... (show quote)


Thank you, Terry.

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Sep 16, 2017 13:51:31   #
terry44 Loc: Tuolumne County California, Maui Hawaii
 
Rab-Eye wrote:
Thank you, Terry.



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Sep 16, 2017 14:02:11   #
Earworms Loc: Sacramento, California
 
My local camera store (Action Camera) did it for free. All they did was remove the lens and lock up the mirror, then directly inspect the sensor using a Sensor Loupe. To make it quick and easy, they blew away (can of air) whatever particles were there. As inexpensive as Sensor Loupes are, I'm thinking of purchasing one for myself.

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Sep 16, 2017 14:12:31   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
Rab-Eye wrote:
Friends, I might have some dust on the sensor of my D500. I've done some research, and I now have three questions:

1. While all videos and articles I've seen agree that your check for dust on your sensor at the smallest possible aperture, some say your camera should be focused, and others stress that it should be out of focus. I am interested in the opinions of those experienced in this matter.

2. When photographing something white to check for sensor dust, does using a flash affect the process? Or more simply put, should I or should I not use flash when I check?

3. I am a little spooked by the fact that there is so much written and recorded about how careful you have to be if you clean your own sensor. On the other hand, my local store gets $70 to clean the sensor. Is that a reasonable price? Is it such a risky job that I would be foolish to try it on my own?

Thanks so much!
Friends, I might have some dust on the sensor of m... (show quote)


1. Manually set focus to maximum *close* focusing point.

2. Do not photograph with flash, or with anything white. Photograph a perfect, blue sky, with the camera on aperture priority auto, at the smallest aperture (but using manual focus). You want to photograph blue, because it shows dust better than other colors. You photograph out of focus, for even illumination. You use a small aperture, to sharpen the dust.

3. If you are nimble with your hands (have steady hands and good manual dexterity), and you can read and follow instructions to the letter, cleaning your own sensor is not hard. The camera manufacturers recommend professional cleaning because they don't know how good their users' skills are. It IS a delicate process. It is NOT difficult to learn to do, or to do, however.

One other trick used to see the dust better is to view the image in Photoshop (or your similar software) and bump up the contrast a lot.

Here are two helpful links:

http://www.cleaningdigitalcameras.com

http://photosol.com

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Sep 16, 2017 14:43:10   #
tinplater Loc: Scottsdale, AZ
 
Never really understood the need for a sensor loupe when you can just make a blank image, magnify, and see the spots if any. Then blow and swipe and recheck again. I also was never attracted to using a "sensor stamp" or "pen" to physically press down on the dirt and remove it that way.

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Sep 16, 2017 14:50:44   #
charles tabb Loc: Richmond VA.
 
Earworms wrote:
My local camera store (Action Camera) did it for free. All they did was remove the lens and lock up the mirror, then directly inspect the sensor using a Sensor Loupe. To make it quick and easy, they blew away (can of air) whatever particles were there. As inexpensive as Sensor Loupes are, I'm thinking of purchasing one for myself.


I would never use a "can of air".
I use what I call a puffer bulb.
Squeeze and Blow.

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Sep 16, 2017 14:55:29   #
amfoto1 Loc: San Jose, Calif. USA
 
Rab-Eye wrote:
Friends, I might have some dust on the sensor of my D500. I've done some research, and I now have three questions:

1. While all videos and articles I've seen agree that your check for dust on your sensor at the smallest possible aperture, some say your camera should be focused, and others stress that it should be out of focus. I am interested in the opinions of those experienced in this matter.

2. When photographing something white to check for sensor dust, does using a flash affect the process? Or more simply put, should I or should I not use flash when I check?

3. I am a little spooked by the fact that there is so much written and recorded about how careful you have to be if you clean your own sensor. On the other hand, my local store gets $70 to clean the sensor. Is that a reasonable price? Is it such a risky job that I would be foolish to try it on my own?

Thanks so much!
Friends, I might have some dust on the sensor of m... (show quote)


1. IMO it really doesn't matter if the dust test image is focused or not.... But it does need to be a "plain, blank" image with no detail where specks of dust can "hide" (and sometimes that may be easier to accomplish with a de-focused lens). A patch of blue area sky will work, if you don't have anything else at hand. Note: If you use the sky and are using an auto exposure mode, the camera will want to underexpose so dial in +1 to +2 stops of Exposure Compensation. That will insure the image is bright enough to clearly see the dust on the sensor. Also be aware that a speck seen in - say - the upper, righthand corner of the image is actually located in the lower lefthand corner of the sensor when you view it from the front during cleaning (both firmware/imaging software and the camera's optical pentaprism "flop" the image to it's correct orientation and turn it right side up for viewing).

2. Flash might be helpful if you are working in a relatively dark space... rather than boost the ISO to shoot by available light, which will cause image "noise" where a speck of dust might hide. Just be sure that the flash illuminates the target evenly and isn't overpowering.... gives a reasonably "correct" exposure (a white target will want to underexpose, so once again +1 or +2 stops of Exposure Compensation might be needed).

3. There is risk cleaning the sensor yourself and to do it right you need to invest in some tools and supplies. But $70 for a sensor cleaning seems high. I've seen it done for $25 to $50. But maybe they do more than just a sensor cleaning. If not, shop around... Or learn to do it yourself. To minimize the risk you should read, fully understand and carefully follow the directions at http://www.cleaningdigitalcameras.com/. The guys who wrote and maintain that site are professional repair techs who between them have probably done thousands of sensor cleanings. One of them (Larry) has literally "written the book" on camera repair. Well, actually he's written dozens. They also own and operate one of the largest suppliers of tools and supplies for the camera repair and service industry.... www.micro-tools.com. They sell virtually every product for sensor cleaning and are unbiased in their recommendations. (Unlike many sites that are promoting their own products and so are VERY biased.)

It will cost you more than $100 to acquire the tools and supplies for proper sensor cleaning. But once you have those and know how to use them, you'll be able to do cleanings whenever and wherever needed... plus the consumables will be enough to do multiple cleanings and are relatively low cost to replaced. Personally I use:

1. A Rocket Blower.
2. A lighted magnifying loupe.
3. Dry "adhesive" method cleaning kit (I use Dust Aid).
4. Speck Grabber.
5. Anti-static brush.
6. Pec pads for wet cleaning.
7. "Wand" tools for use with pec pads (two sizes: full frame and APS-C, to match the cameras I use).
8. Eclipse sensor cleaning fluid.
9. SensorPen (same as LensPen, but with a square pad instead of round)
10. A low power mini-vacuum (I think it was made for computer keyboards).

The Rocket Blower is used the most frequently and between other steps. It's a "no touch" device and I always try it first, in hopes of puffing away the dust. It's also useful once another method has loosened adhered particles. But it can't remove adhered particles or oil specks. The low-power mini-vacuum serves a similar purpose at home (while I always take a Rocket Blower with me).

A camera that's never had a sensor cleaning almost always needs a "wet" cleaning with the fluid and swabs. This is because there's nearly always some oil specks on the sensor (well, actually on the protective filter in front of the sensor). That oil was probably excess thrown off by the shutter or mirror mechanism. It's common with a new camera or even an older one that's never had a sensor cleaning. Oils can cause dust specks to adhere and dry cleaning methods won't remove oils, will merely smear them around. In fact, some of the tools used for dry cleaning would be contaminated and ruined by the oils.

For wet cleaning I make my own swabs using the "wands" wrapped with Pec Pads that have been cut down to size, and are held in place with small strips made from Avery labels. One of the key things with wet cleanings is to only use the swab twice.... once each for a pass in each direction. If that doesn't fully cleaning the sensor, then a fresh swab is needed. Another VERY important thing is to use minimal fluid... just a drop to moisten the swab. Too much fluid might seep behind the filter or elsewhere inside the camera. I only use or move on to dry cleaning methods when I'm sure there is no oil on the sensor.

The dry "adhesive" method uses another type of wand that's fitted with a slightly adhesive, single-use "pad" that's gently pressed on the sensor to "grab" dust particles. There are also "gummy", multi-use (cleanable) adhesive method tools. The Speck Grabber is sort of a fine, pointed version of those... used with the lighted loupe when there's just one or a few stubborn specks remaining.

The anti-static brush is similarly used to coax loose adhered particles.

Often sensor cleaning is a multi-step process, requiring two or more of the cleaning techniques and some additional test shots or close inspection with the loupe. I also use the bulb blower (or mini-vac) in between steps, to be sure any specks I've loosened and dislodged are removed from the camera.

The SensorPen is a final step and is used to gently "polish" the surface, especially if a wet cleaning was done because that usually leaves behind some slight haze. It's very important that any and all specks of dust be removed before using the SensorPen, because some dust can be hard particles capable of scratching the surface or the coatings on it. This final polishing not only insures as clean a surface as possible, it also makes the surface more resistant to dust adhering for a while in the future and can help camera's self-cleaning sensor tech work better.

Obviously, the swabs and fluid are consumables that will need to be replaced every so often (though there are many drops of fluid in a container and the pack of Pec Pads I bought is probably good for about 1000 sensor cleanings... except I also sometimes use them for lens cleaning, on my eyeglasses and for other things). The SensorPen, anti-static brush, Speck grabber and any multi-use dry/adhesive method all become contaminated over time and should be replaced occasionally, too.

>>>> WARNING >>>> NEVER, EVER use "canned air" to blow out dust in a camera. It is too strong a blast and might damage delicate mechanisms. It also can blow propellant liquid onto the sensor and even can super-cool things dangerously.

>>>> WARNING >>>> NEVER, EVER use common household "cotton swabs" ("Q-Tips", etc.) anywhere inside a camera. Those tend to shed tiny, tough fibers that can get into and jam fine mechanisms such as the shutter and mirror assembly. If that happens, repairs will be expensive!

Finally, I DO NOT clean the mirrors or focus screens in my cameras with anything more than a puff of air from the bulb blower. Those are delicate items that are all-too-easily damaged... The mirror is front-surfaced with vaporized aluminum... and many focus screens are optical plastic. But mostly, there's really no reason to risk it. Anything on the mirror or focus screen (and seen in the viewfinder), WILL NOT SHOW UP IN IMAGES. The mirror is lifted up and covers the focus screen during exposure (and during sensor cleanings). So I just tolerate anything on there (if blurry, it's on the mirror... if more sharply defined, it's on the focus screen) until I have the camera serviced by a professional tech every so often. Many cameras also have "light seals" around the perimeter of the mirror when it's lifted, which can be delicate and may need professional replacement periodically.

P.S. It's virtually impossible to keep a sensor perfectly free of dust. Don't fret about changing lenses because it really won't matter... Lenses suck air in and out of the camera whenever you zoom and/or focus them! But also use common sense during lens changes. Keep camera body and lens capped whenever a lens isn't on the camera. Occasionally clean the rear elements of your lenses, inside lens/body caps and even vacuum out your camera bag. Also, don't use ridiculously small apertures... only use as small as you really need. At larger apertures, the dust may not show up at all in images. Super small apertures cause diffraction, anyway... which robs your images of fine detail (smaller than f8 to f/11 on APS-C or smaller than f/11 to f/16 on full frame).

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Sep 16, 2017 19:43:15   #
Rab-Eye Loc: Indiana
 
amfoto1 wrote:
1. IMO it really doesn't matter if the dust test image is focused or not.... But it does need to be a "plain, blank" image with no detail where specks of dust can "hide" (and sometimes that may be easier to accomplish with a de-focused lens). A patch of blue area sky will work, if you don't have anything else at hand. Note: If you use the sky and are using an auto exposure mode, the camera will want to underexpose so dial in +1 to +2 stops of Exposure Compensation. That will insure the image is bright enough to clearly see the dust on the sensor. Also be aware that a speck seen in - say - the upper, righthand corner of the image is actually located in the lower lefthand corner of the sensor when you view it from the front during cleaning (both firmware/imaging software and the camera's optical pentaprism "flop" the image to it's correct orientation and turn it right side up for viewing).

2. Flash might be helpful if you are working in a relatively dark space... rather than boost the ISO to shoot by available light, which will cause image "noise" where a speck of dust might hide. Just be sure that the flash illuminates the target evenly and isn't overpowering.... gives a reasonably "correct" exposure (a white target will want to underexpose, so once again +1 or +2 stops of Exposure Compensation might be needed).

3. There is risk cleaning the sensor yourself and to do it right you need to invest in some tools and supplies. But $70 for a sensor cleaning seems high. I've seen it done for $25 to $50. But maybe they do more than just a sensor cleaning. If not, shop around... Or learn to do it yourself. To minimize the risk you should read, fully understand and carefully follow the directions at http://www.cleaningdigitalcameras.com/. The guys who wrote and maintain that site are professional repair techs who between them have probably done thousands of sensor cleanings. One of them (Larry) has literally "written the book" on camera repair. Well, actually he's written dozens. They also own and operate one of the largest suppliers of tools and supplies for the camera repair and service industry.... www.micro-tools.com. They sell virtually every product for sensor cleaning and are unbiased in their recommendations. (Unlike many sites that are promoting their own products and so are VERY biased.)

It will cost you more than $100 to acquire the tools and supplies for proper sensor cleaning. But once you have those and know how to use them, you'll be able to do cleanings whenever and wherever needed... plus the consumables will be enough to do multiple cleanings and are relatively low cost to replaced. Personally I use:

1. A Rocket Blower.
2. A lighted magnifying loupe.
3. Dry "adhesive" method cleaning kit (I use Dust Aid).
4. Speck Grabber.
5. Anti-static brush.
6. Pec pads for wet cleaning.
7. "Wand" tools for use with pec pads (two sizes: full frame and APS-C, to match the cameras I use).
8. Eclipse sensor cleaning fluid.
9. SensorPen (same as LensPen, but with a square pad instead of round)
10. A low power mini-vacuum (I think it was made for computer keyboards).

The Rocket Blower is used the most frequently and between other steps. It's a "no touch" device and I always try it first, in hopes of puffing away the dust. It's also useful once another method has loosened adhered particles. But it can't remove adhered particles or oil specks. The low-power mini-vacuum serves a similar purpose at home (while I always take a Rocket Blower with me).

A camera that's never had a sensor cleaning almost always needs a "wet" cleaning with the fluid and swabs. This is because there's nearly always some oil specks on the sensor (well, actually on the protective filter in front of the sensor). That oil was probably excess thrown off by the shutter or mirror mechanism. It's common with a new camera or even an older one that's never had a sensor cleaning. Oils can cause dust specks to adhere and dry cleaning methods won't remove oils, will merely smear them around. In fact, some of the tools used for dry cleaning would be contaminated and ruined by the oils.

For wet cleaning I make my own swabs using the "wands" wrapped with Pec Pads that have been cut down to size, and are held in place with small strips made from Avery labels. One of the key things with wet cleanings is to only use the swab twice.... once each for a pass in each direction. If that doesn't fully cleaning the sensor, then a fresh swab is needed. Another VERY important thing is to use minimal fluid... just a drop to moisten the swab. Too much fluid might seep behind the filter or elsewhere inside the camera. I only use or move on to dry cleaning methods when I'm sure there is no oil on the sensor.

The dry "adhesive" method uses another type of wand that's fitted with a slightly adhesive, single-use "pad" that's gently pressed on the sensor to "grab" dust particles. There are also "gummy", multi-use (cleanable) adhesive method tools. The Speck Grabber is sort of a fine, pointed version of those... used with the lighted loupe when there's just one or a few stubborn specks remaining.

The anti-static brush is similarly used to coax loose adhered particles.

Often sensor cleaning is a multi-step process, requiring two or more of the cleaning techniques and some additional test shots or close inspection with the loupe. I also use the bulb blower (or mini-vac) in between steps, to be sure any specks I've loosened and dislodged are removed from the camera.

The SensorPen is a final step and is used to gently "polish" the surface, especially if a wet cleaning was done because that usually leaves behind some slight haze. It's very important that any and all specks of dust be removed before using the SensorPen, because some dust can be hard particles capable of scratching the surface or the coatings on it. This final polishing not only insures as clean a surface as possible, it also makes the surface more resistant to dust adhering for a while in the future and can help camera's self-cleaning sensor tech work better.

Obviously, the swabs and fluid are consumables that will need to be replaced every so often (though there are many drops of fluid in a container and the pack of Pec Pads I bought is probably good for about 1000 sensor cleanings... except I also sometimes use them for lens cleaning, on my eyeglasses and for other things). The SensorPen, anti-static brush, Speck grabber and any multi-use dry/adhesive method all become contaminated over time and should be replaced occasionally, too.

>>>> WARNING >>>> NEVER, EVER use "canned air" to blow out dust in a camera. It is too strong a blast and might damage delicate mechanisms. It also can blow propellant liquid onto the sensor and even can super-cool things dangerously.

>>>> WARNING >>>> NEVER, EVER use common household "cotton swabs" ("Q-Tips", etc.) anywhere inside a camera. Those tend to shed tiny, tough fibers that can get into and jam fine mechanisms such as the shutter and mirror assembly. If that happens, repairs will be expensive!

Finally, I DO NOT clean the mirrors or focus screens in my cameras with anything more than a puff of air from the bulb blower. Those are delicate items that are all-too-easily damaged... The mirror is front-surfaced with vaporized aluminum... and many focus screens are optical plastic. But mostly, there's really no reason to risk it. Anything on the mirror or focus screen (and seen in the viewfinder), WILL NOT SHOW UP IN IMAGES. The mirror is lifted up and covers the focus screen during exposure (and during sensor cleanings). So I just tolerate anything on there (if blurry, it's on the mirror... if more sharply defined, it's on the focus screen) until I have the camera serviced by a professional tech every so often. Many cameras also have "light seals" around the perimeter of the mirror when it's lifted, which can be delicate and may need professional replacement periodically.

P.S. It's virtually impossible to keep a sensor perfectly free of dust. Don't fret about changing lenses because it really won't matter... Lenses suck air in and out of the camera whenever you zoom and/or focus them! But also use common sense during lens changes. Keep camera body and lens capped whenever a lens isn't on the camera. Occasionally clean the rear elements of your lenses, inside lens/body caps and even vacuum out your camera bag. Also, don't use ridiculously small apertures... only use as small as you really need. At larger apertures, the dust may not show up at all in images. Super small apertures cause diffraction, anyway... which robs your images of fine detail (smaller than f8 to f/11 on APS-C or smaller than f/11 to f/16 on full frame).
1. IMO it really doesn't matter if the dust test i... (show quote)


Thanks for the detailed information. I was thinking about doing it myself, but your post gives me second thoughts.

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Sep 16, 2017 19:45:34   #
Rab-Eye Loc: Indiana
 
burkphoto wrote:
1. Manually set focus to maximum *close* focusing point.

2. Do not photograph with flash, or with anything white. Photograph a perfect, blue sky, with the camera on aperture priority auto, at the smallest aperture (but using manual focus). You want to photograph blue, because it shows dust better than other colors. You photograph out of focus, for even illumination. You use a small aperture, to sharpen the dust.

3. If you are nimble with your hands (have steady hands and good manual dexterity), and you can read and follow instructions to the letter, cleaning your own sensor is not hard. The camera manufacturers recommend professional cleaning because they don't know how good their users' skills are. It IS a delicate process. It is NOT difficult to learn to do, or to do, however.

One other trick used to see the dust better is to view the image in Photoshop (or your similar software) and bump up the contrast a lot.

Here are two helpful links:

http://www.cleaningdigitalcameras.com

http://photosol.com
1. Manually set focus to maximum *close* focusing ... (show quote)


Thanks. I definitely have some specks on the sensor. I'm not particularly handy, but I was starting to think I could manage this until I read the very detailed post just under your post. Now I am not so sure.

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