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Jun 28, 2012 14:09:05   #
les_stockton Loc: Eastern Oklahoma
 
dhelix33 wrote:
Recommend using fill flash with a softbox.



Ditto that. I think using a fill flash solves a lot of problems, whether you are shooting in auto, semi-auto, or in manual.

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Jun 28, 2012 16:22:38   #
wilsondl2 Loc: Lincoln, Nebraska
 
cony25 wrote:
I took a bunch of pictures at the park the other day,, some came out too dark, it was broad day light, my lens is an esL 24-105,, what am I doing wrong,, please help!!


A little PP may save the ones that are too dark. I did this in "Quick Fix" in elements 8 :evil:



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Jun 28, 2012 16:33:39   #
CaptainC Loc: Colorado, south of Denver
 
wilsondl2 wrote:
cony25 wrote:
I took a bunch of pictures at the park the other day,, some came out too dark, it was broad day light, my lens is an esL 24-105,, what am I doing wrong,, please help!!


A little PP may save the ones that are too dark. I did this in "Quick Fix" in elements 8 :evil:


IMO, This is not a "save" by a longshot. There is no such thing as a 'quick fix" for this.

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Jun 28, 2012 17:20:05   #
dhelix33 Loc: Live in Raleigh, NC - Grew up in Teaneck, NJ
 
I too have used Adobe Lightroom to enhance fill light in images CaptainC (if I absolutely, positively had too). However, I do agree that digitally post-processing a 'quick fix' in images for that effect just doesn't say what a properly composed light written image does...

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CaptainC wrote:
wilsondl2 wrote:
cony25 wrote:
I took a bunch of pictures at the park the other day,, some came out too dark, it was broad day light, my lens is an esL 24-105,, what am I doing wrong,, please help!!


A little PP may save the ones that are too dark. I did this in "Quick Fix" in elements 8 :evil:


IMO, This is not a "save" by a longshot. There is no such thing as a 'quick fix" for this.

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Jun 28, 2012 20:28:15   #
cony25
 
What do you mean recompose? Thank you for your advice
CaptainC wrote:
Harvey wrote:
Yes - a spot meter on the ladies face would have produce a much better photo.


Yes, but using spot metering should - this case - be done in manual. Meter the face- set the camera to that setting, then recompose to shoot. Otherwise we have the face in the middle of the frame.

OR - shoot in Av or Tv, but after metering and focusing on the face, make sure that the exposure and focus lock are active so you can recompose.

In any case, AUTO is the worst possible mode.

In my opinion, the best approach would be to use an incident meter and then bracket half a stop or so either side.
quote=Harvey Yes - a spot meter on the ladies fac... (show quote)

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Jun 28, 2012 20:31:47   #
cony25
 
How do you do a flash dialed down? I have canon spedlite, its either on or off...
greymule wrote:
cony25 wrote:
I took a bunch of pictures at the park the other day,, some came out too dark, it was broad day light, my lens is an esL 24-105,, what am I doing wrong,, please help!!


My call is to use metered light from the face, then fill flash dialed down. So, I agree with the others. What a big help, huh?

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Jun 28, 2012 20:32:20   #
cony25
 
Something happened to the face,, to many shadows..
wilsondl2 wrote:
cony25 wrote:
I took a bunch of pictures at the park the other day,, some came out too dark, it was broad day light, my lens is an esL 24-105,, what am I doing wrong,, please help!!


A little PP may save the ones that are too dark. I did this in "Quick Fix" in elements 8 :evil:

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Jun 28, 2012 20:37:38   #
CaptainC Loc: Colorado, south of Denver
 
cony25 wrote:
What do you mean recompose? Thank you for your advice
CaptainC wrote:
Harvey wrote:
Yes - a spot meter on the ladies face would have produce a much better photo.


Yes, but using spot metering should - this case - be done in manual. Meter the face- set the camera to that setting, then recompose to shoot. Otherwise we have the face in the middle of the frame.

OR - shoot in Av or Tv, but after metering and focusing on the face, make sure that the exposure and focus lock are active so you can recompose.

In any case, AUTO is the worst possible mode.

In my opinion, the best approach would be to use an incident meter and then bracket half a stop or so either side.
quote=Harvey Yes - a spot meter on the ladies fac... (show quote)
What do you mean recompose? Thank you for your adv... (show quote)


Oh, my.

Well....you set the camera to spot meter. Aim that spot at the face and see what the reading is. Set that manually. Then copose the image so the face is NOT in the middle.

OR - using Tv / Av and spot metering - place spot on face, depress shutter halfway to lock exposure and focus, then move camera so the the face is not in the middle - so that the image is composed properly.
You need to be sure your camera does not change focus or exposure when you recompose.

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Jun 28, 2012 20:49:07   #
cony25
 
Ohhh... I see...just not familiar with the terms, thank you
CaptainC wrote:
cony25 wrote:
What do you mean recompose? Thank you for your advice
CaptainC wrote:
Harvey wrote:
Yes - a spot meter on the ladies face would have produce a much better photo.


Yes, but using spot metering should - this case - be done in manual. Meter the face- set the camera to that setting, then recompose to shoot. Otherwise we have the face in the middle of the frame.

OR - shoot in Av or Tv, but after metering and focusing on the face, make sure that the exposure and focus lock are active so you can recompose.

In any case, AUTO is the worst possible mode.

In my opinion, the best approach would be to use an incident meter and then bracket half a stop or so either side.
quote=Harvey Yes - a spot meter on the ladies fac... (show quote)
What do you mean recompose? Thank you for your adv... (show quote)


Oh, my.

Well....you set the camera to spot meter. Aim that spot at the face and see what the reading is. Set that manually. Then copose the image so the face is NOT in the middle.

OR - using Tv / Av and spot metering - place spot on face, depress shutter halfway to lock exposure and focus, then move camera so the the face is not in the middle - so that the image is composed properly.
You need to be sure your camera does not change focus or exposure when you recompose.
quote=cony25 What do you mean recompose? Thank yo... (show quote)

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Jun 28, 2012 20:51:12   #
dhelix33 Loc: Live in Raleigh, NC - Grew up in Teaneck, NJ
 
I use a Nikon SB-600 on my Nikon camera systems (D700 FX, D5100 DX and D3100 DX). Exposure compensation functionality is designed in the flash unit. I can dial in up to +3 to -3 stops flash exposure compensation on the flash, simply by pressing a + or - button on the unit. I also use a Softbox cover over the strobe with helps to diffuse the direct light harshness from a naked a strobe flash release.

cony25 wrote:
How do you do a flash dialed down? I have canon spedlite, its either on or off...
greymule wrote:
cony25 wrote:
I took a bunch of pictures at the park the other day,, some came out too dark, it was broad day light, my lens is an esL 24-105,, what am I doing wrong,, please help!!


My call is to use metered light from the face, then fill flash dialed down. So, I agree with the others. What a big help, huh?

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Jun 28, 2012 21:10:02   #
CaptainC Loc: Colorado, south of Denver
 
cony25 wrote:
How do you do a flash dialed down? I have canon spedlite, its either on or off...
greymule wrote:
cony25 wrote:
I took a bunch of pictures at the park the other day,, some came out too dark, it was broad day light, my lens is an esL 24-105,, what am I doing wrong,, please help!!


My call is to use metered light from the face, then fill flash dialed down. So, I agree with the others. What a big help, huh?


Nikon flash is dialed up or down on the flash. I THINK Canon is done on the camera. But check your manuals to figure it out.
I any event, it is easy to do.

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Jun 28, 2012 21:22:51   #
dhelix33 Loc: Live in Raleigh, NC - Grew up in Teaneck, NJ
 
There are flash compensation controls in the Nikon DX and FX bodies also, I just commonly use the path of least resistence with the flash unit control myself.

CaptainC wrote:
cony25 wrote:
How do you do a flash dialed down? I have canon spedlite, its either on or off...
greymule wrote:
cony25 wrote:
I took a bunch of pictures at the park the other day,, some came out too dark, it was broad day light, my lens is an esL 24-105,, what am I doing wrong,, please help!!


My call is to use metered light from the face, then fill flash dialed down. So, I agree with the others. What a big help, huh?


Nikon flash is dialed up or down on the flash. I THINK Canon is done on the camera. But check your manuals to figure it out.
I any event, it is easy to do.
quote=cony25 How do you do a flash dialed down? I... (show quote)

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Jun 28, 2012 23:43:47   #
Photogdog Loc: New Kensington, PA
 
[quote=CaptainC

Nikon flash is dialed up or down on the flash. I THINK Canon is done on the camera. But check your manuals to figure it out.
I any event, it is easy to do.[/quote]

Captain,

With the Canon 5D MKII & 430EXII Speedlite, you can dial down the flash compensation on the body and/or reduce flash output on the flash itself.

One nice thing about the 5D (and others) is that the main EV compensation is adjusted using the control dial right under the thumb.

Another thing is that the "AF-On" & "*" can be reconfigured for back button focus and exposure lock which holds for ~6 sec after focusing and metering. So in this case, the spot can capture the face and give the shooter enough time to recompose.

You should have seen me trying to figure this out on my 7D. After customizing my 5D MKII, the 7D was like a Three Stooges short (and I was Curly).

PD

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Jun 29, 2012 00:54:16   #
tainkc Loc: Kansas City
 
Wow! I actually know how to do something right! My camera has an AEL button and it works perfectly in these situations. But what I am referring to is MWAC & Caption C. I use both of those techniques also. Great forum!

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Jun 29, 2012 03:10:31   #
EGROB14
 
cony25 wrote:
I took a bunch of pictures at the park the other day,, some came out too dark, it was broad day light, my lens is an esL 24-105,, what am I doing wrong,, please help!!


You could have seen that after taking the first Picture. Then hand the camera to someone who knows how. There are 3 ways and they are all in the manual. It does require that you read the manual at least 3 times.

However now you have the picture and it is not too bad. Using a program called Gimp I have at least 2 ways to brighten things up.
If you care to email the picture to me at borge@iinet.net.au I can send it back to you in good order. if you have the manual read page 38 - that is the quick way.

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