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Aug 18, 2017 12:55:34   #
boberic Loc: Quiet Corner, Connecticut. Ex long Islander
 
For some reason I am thinking about statues and how other countries deal with statues from their past. Egypt-has many statues and monuments of monarchs who conquered other countries and ens***ed and murdered tens of thousands fo thousands of years. These are revered and remembered as symbols of Egypts past. Italy has many statues and monuments of the most viscious leaders. They ens***ed and tortured thousand for thousands of years. Not only have they been preserved they are revered as memories of the past. Japan. Many monuments of Japans past samauri leaders who also k**led those who crossed their paths, they too are valued as past memories. France. Tere are still statues and monuments of Napolean, another conquerer who murdered and ens***ed many, he was o*******wn and exiled, But those statues ans still preserved as French history.. There ane many other countries that heve preserved memories of their history. But somehow many people in this country do not want to preserve memories-no matter how they might have held a different view. some do not want to remember the past. It offends them that past figures did some unpleasant things and they want to forget them. In the 19'th and 20'th centuries for some reason we are trying to forget our history. This kind of thing is actually quite dangerous. Some of these things needs to be remembered.

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Aug 18, 2017 13:31:09   #
Frank T Loc: New York, NY
 
Statues and particularly these are not history. Most were put up in the 20's and then another spurt in the 60's. They were pretty much a dog whistle to those fighting for equal rights that the establishment was going to fight them.
History belongs in books and museums, two things that very few people use anymore but should.
I'm sure that Great Britain teaches the American Revolution in schools but I doubt you'll find any statues of George Washington in London.

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Aug 18, 2017 13:41:38   #
JohnSwanda Loc: San Francisco
 
There aren't any statues of Hitler or other N**i leaders in Germany.

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Aug 18, 2017 13:53:50   #
boberic Loc: Quiet Corner, Connecticut. Ex long Islander
 
Frank T wrote:
Statues and particularly these are not history. Most were put up in the 20's and then another spurt in the 60's. They were pretty much a dog whistle to those fighting for equal rights that the establishment was going to fight them.
History belongs in books and museums, two things that very few people use anymore but should.
I'm sure that Great Britain teaches the American Revolution in schools but I doubt you'll find any statues of George Washington in London.


Yes. But Britain has many statues of past kings or queens or knights who weren't such nice people. They ens***ed and/or murdered many for trivial reasons. Perhaps we shouldn't have statues of Hitler, Stalin or Musilini, but they were not Americans. All the civil war statues of confederate leaders were Americans, and must be remembered, lest we forget. There are "fraidy cats" who are afraid of our past. They are the ones who go trophys when they lost. Israel has museums of the atrocities of WW2with the slogan NEVER FORGET. It's appropriate fot the statues of confederate soldiers. Someone here suggested a museum where many of the statues that are to be taken down might be placed. Not a bad idea.

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Aug 18, 2017 14:15:39   #
thom w Loc: San Jose, CA
 
boberic wrote:
Yes. But Britain has many statues of past kings or queens or knights who weren't such nice people. They ens***ed and/or murdered many for trivial reasons. Perhaps we shouldn't have statues of Hitler, Stalin or Musilini, but they were not Americans. All the civil war statues of confederate leaders were Americans, and must be remembered, lest we forget. There are "fraidy cats" who are afraid of our past. They are the ones who go trophys when they lost. Israel has museums of the atrocities of WW2with the slogan NEVER FORGET. It's appropriate fot the statues of confederate soldiers. Someone here suggested a museum where many of the statues that are to be taken down might be placed. Not a bad idea.
Yes. But Britain has many statues of past kings or... (show quote)


I'm pretty sure accompanying each statue with a placard denigrating it would stir up more w***e s*********ts than just removing them.

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Aug 18, 2017 15:04:39   #
Frank T Loc: New York, NY
 
We could of course compromise and put all the Confederate leader statues in the Hall of T*****rs. That might work.

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Aug 18, 2017 18:38:33   #
boberic Loc: Quiet Corner, Connecticut. Ex long Islander
 
As I recall Britain waged a war against t*****rs, we call them Founding Fathers.

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Aug 18, 2017 18:40:02   #
user47602 Loc: ip 304.0.0.33.32
 
boberic wrote:
As I recall Britain waged a war against t*****rs, we call them Founding Fathers.
Britain lost... if they had won, our founding fathers would be h*****g from the rafters.

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Aug 19, 2017 07:45:26   #
mlj Loc: Anderson, SC
 
Based on your comments, the American F**g and all the monuments in D.C. should be safely stored away in a museum. That way, anyone who does not want to see them or is offended by them, does not have to visit the museum.

Frank T wrote:
Statues and particularly these are not history. Most were put up in the 20's and then another spurt in the 60's. They were pretty much a dog whistle to those fighting for equal rights that the establishment was going to fight them.
History belongs in books and museums, two things that very few people use anymore but should.
I'm sure that Great Britain teaches the American Revolution in schools but I doubt you'll find any statues of George Washington in London.

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Aug 19, 2017 08:58:27   #
Frank T Loc: New York, NY
 
mlj wrote:
Based on your comments, the American F**g and all the monuments in D.C. should be safely stored away in a museum. That way, anyone who does not want to see them or is offended by them, does not have to visit the museum.


I never said that. The American F**g is the current f**g of our Country. However putting the Confederate F**g which most people have never seen and the Battle F**g of the Army of Northern Virginia which can be seen flying at W***e S*********t Rally's should be in museums. I'm not sure why you would misinterpret my post so drastically. I'll have to ride in a lower grade point level for you.
Have a nice day.

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Aug 19, 2017 10:01:43   #
mlj Loc: Anderson, SC
 
Most any historical monuments or statues representing historical figures could be offensive to practically anyone. For example, some Japanese living in the US could be offended by the WWII memorials around the US because they represent, to them, death of relatives by the American Imperialists. Because they are offended, should these symbols be removed from public viewing and placed in museums?

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Aug 19, 2017 10:36:45   #
ayersrl Loc: Palm Beach Gardens,Fl
 
Let's tear down everything that reminds us of anything older that last week! Oh, wait a minute, "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it." George Santayana

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Aug 19, 2017 10:37:25   #
Wrangler Loc: North Texas
 
Frank T wrote:
We could of course compromise and put all the Confederate leader statues in the Hall of T*****rs. That might work.


It just dawned on me Frank. You call all Confederate solders t*****rs because they fought against the government. Now you want to nullify the e******n, attack the President no matter what he says or does and o*******w the Constitution, at least the parts with which you disagree. It seems as though you are fighting against the government.

Your stand seems hypocritical. Would you please explain?

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Aug 19, 2017 11:22:41   #
WNYShooter Loc: WNY
 
thom w wrote:
I'm pretty sure accompanying each statue with a placard denigrating it would stir up more w***e s*********ts than just removing them.


Or placards reminding people just who they were, for instance:


Confederate President Jefferson Davis, Democrat

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Aug 19, 2017 11:23:55   #
WNYShooter Loc: WNY
 
Wrangler wrote:


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It just dawned on me Frank. You call all Confederate solders t*****rs because they fought against the government. Now you want to nullify the e******n, attack the President no matter what he says or does and o*******w the Constitution, at least the parts with which you disagree. It seems as though you are fighting against the government.

Your stand seems hypocritical. Would you please explain?


Just typical Liberal confusion and hypocracy.

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