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Jul 23, 2017 23:21:38   #
Steven Seward Loc: Cleveland, Ohio
 
soba1 wrote:
I posted links, would appreciate your feedback.

I'm not sure which links you wanted feedback on, but since you asked so nicely, I will give feedback on them all.

1. https://theintercept.com/2017/07/19/u-s-lawmakers-seek-to-criminally-outlaw-support-for-boycott-campaign-against-israel/
--I read only the first paragraph of this first article you posted, because it was so blatantly untrue. It was claiming that people who want to support the Palestinians against Israel are oppressed and prosecuted in France, Britain, America, and on College Campuses. This is so f**grantly false it is beyond comprehension. Support for Palestinians, and disparagement of Israel as an Apartheid State is the norm in France, Britain and College Campuses and is actively supported, not oppressed. America overall, not so much. You are a tactful guy, and you don't throw gratuitous insults at anybody, and I really appreciate that, but you come up with some real doozy websites that say the most bizarre things. I think this is one of them.

2. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FaqCyBlwCxQ&feature=youtu.be
--Video claiming that Negros are the true Jewish race. This is of course a huge speculation, and the video does not offer any evidence other than descriptions from the Bible. I don't know if you know about a tribe in Africa that had claimed to be the lost tribe of Israel for many years. I don't remember where they were exactly and what language they spoke, but they had many ritual recitations that pretty accurately mimicked the known Jewish prayers and blessings. Nobody took them very seriously until DNA testing became sophisticated enough to trace ancestry. Lo and behold, it turns out that they have significant amounts of Jewish DNA mixed with their African genes. So this Jewish thing may indeed turn out to be true for a small group in Africa!

3. https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/senate-bill/720/text
--The actual bill. I h**e reading lawyer language, but I slogged my way through it trying to comprehend the difficult legalese. As far as I can tell, it almost exclusively talks about making it official U.S. policy to oppose other countries and international organizations that boycott Israel and other allies of the United States. It spends a lot of ink outlining the U.N. and other organizations stance in boycotting of Israel. I couldn't find anything in there about individual U.S. citizens, or individuals at all except in a brief reference in Violations. "Whoever knowingly violates or conspires to or attempts to violate any provision of section 8(a) or any regulation, order, or license issued thereunder shall be fined in accordance with section 206 of the International Emergency Economic Powers Act. I couldn't really find anything about what the U.S. would do against these foreign countries and organizations other than "to oppose them," but I grow weary of reading lawyer gibberish.

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Jul 24, 2017 01:06:14   #
soba1 Loc: Somewhere In So Ca
 
Steven Seward wrote:
I'm not sure which links you wanted feedback on, but since you asked so nicely, I will give feedback on them all.

1. https://theintercept.com/2017/07/19/u-s-lawmakers-seek-to-criminally-outlaw-support-for-boycott-campaign-against-israel/
--I read only the first paragraph of this first article you posted, because it was so blatantly untrue. It was claiming that people who want to support the Palestinians against Israel are oppressed and prosecuted in France, Britain, America, and on College Campuses. This is so f**grantly false it is beyond comprehension. Support for Palestinians, and disparagement of Israel as an Apartheid State is the norm in France, Britain and College Campuses and is actively supported, not oppressed. America overall, not so much. You are a tactful guy, and you don't throw gratuitous insults at anybody, and I really appreciate that, but you come up with some real doozy websites that say the most bizarre things. I think this is one of them.

2. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FaqCyBlwCxQ&feature=youtu.be
--Video claiming that Negros are the true Jewish race. This is of course a huge speculation, and the video does not offer any evidence other than descriptions from the Bible. I don't know if you know about a tribe in Africa that had claimed to be the lost tribe of Israel for many years. I don't remember where they were exactly and what language they spoke, but they had many ritual recitations that pretty accurately mimicked the known Jewish prayers and blessings. Nobody took them very seriously until DNA testing became sophisticated enough to trace ancestry. Lo and behold, it turns out that they have significant amounts of Jewish DNA mixed with their African genes. So this Jewish thing may indeed turn out to be true for a small group in Africa!

3. https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/senate-bill/720/text
--The actual bill. I h**e reading lawyer language, but I slogged my way through it trying to comprehend the difficult legalese. As far as I can tell, it almost exclusively talks about making it official U.S. policy to oppose other countries and international organizations that boycott Israel and other allies of the United States. It spends a lot of ink outlining the U.N. and other organizations stance in boycotting of Israel. I couldn't find anything in there about individual U.S. citizens, or individuals at all except in a brief reference in Violations. "Whoever knowingly violates or conspires to or attempts to violate any provision of section 8(a) or any regulation, order, or license issued thereunder shall be fined in accordance with section 206 of the International Emergency Economic Powers Act. I couldn't really find anything about what the U.S. would do against these foreign countries and organizations other than "to oppose them," but I grow weary of reading lawyer gibberish.
I'm not sure which links you wanted feedback on, b... (show quote)


Thanks, so the article was sensationalism.
For now I will stand corrected.

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Jul 24, 2017 02:17:13   #
ken hubert Loc: Missouri
 
thom w wrote:
I wasn't trying to put words in your mouth. Nothing was supposed to be an accusation. I guess I was kind of feeling for where you were coming from.


Kind of like the feeling that you are a anti Jewish bigot?

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Jul 24, 2017 02:18:51   #
ken hubert Loc: Missouri
 
thom w wrote:
You're right. besides bombing civilians and schools and hospitals, and not respecting others borders, I can't think of anything Russia and Israel have in common


If you are trying to equate Isreal with Russia then you are either an i***t or a liar. Perhaps both!

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Jul 24, 2017 02:20:26   #
ken hubert Loc: Missouri
 
Rab-Eye wrote:
Thom, what can I say? Your moral compass is broken.


In case you didn't realize it but Thom has no morals!

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Jul 24, 2017 09:01:25   #
sueyeisert Loc: New Jersey
 
Rab-Eye wrote:
Nonsense. The bill does not restrict speech of any kind. It would prohibit two specific business practices:

1. Making a boycott of Israel a condition of doing business, and;
2. Doing business with countries engaged in a boycott of Israel.

Do you think our government doesn't have the right to regular international commerce? If not, you think a private company should be able to sell arms to Iran or Syria.

I've met personally with both my Senators in their D.C. offices to voice my support for S.720. Both, one from each party, said they do support it. Sounds like nonpartisan agreement to me.

Maybe someday I'll understand how the left can oppose the only open, liberal democracy in the Middle East. Aren't you in favor of women's rights, gay rights, minority rights, etc? In the Middle East, they exist only in Israel. Gays have served in the IDF for many, many years. It's a nonissue. Arabs are part of the government and can practice any profession they wish--Arab citizens of Israel equal rights. Why do you h**e this wonderfully Western style democratic nation?

I suggest you learn the real history before you rant about occupations or settlements.
Nonsense. The bill does not restrict speech of any... (show quote)


I am very liberal and support Israel and have lived there. However I don't support Netanyahu. He's made finding peace even more difficult and is turning moderate people against Israel. My fear is that Jews and the world will become indifferent to Israel.

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Jul 24, 2017 10:07:03   #
Steven Seward Loc: Cleveland, Ohio
 
sueyeisert wrote:
I am very liberal and support Israel and have lived there. However I don't support Netanyahu. He's made finding peace even more difficult and is turning moderate people against Israel. My fear is that Jews and the world will become indifferent to Israel.

My experience is that most Jews are already indifferent to Israel. Religious Jews are tremendously pro-Israel, but secular Jews are not, in fact many are hostile to Israel, and they make up the majority of the Jews.

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Jul 24, 2017 10:07:19   #
ole sarg Loc: south florida
 
Fool!

Nothing happens to you. You are a private citizen and are not engaged in doing business with Israel!



soba1 wrote:
"But now, a group of 43 senators — 29 Republicans and 14 Democrats — wants to implement a law that would make it a felony for Americans to support the international boycott against Israel, which was launched in protest of that country’s decades-old occupation of Palestine. The two primary sponsors of the bill are Democrat Ben Cardin of Maryland and Republican Rob Portman of Ohio. Perhaps the most shocking aspect is the punishment: Anyone guilty of violating the prohibitions will face a minimum civil penalty of $250,000 and a maximum criminal penalty of $1 million and 20 years in prison."

So if this bill passes what happens if I have a bumper sticker that says I support the boycott of Israel.
Do I get cuffed and hauled off to jail?
U really don't want to bring up history, also as a follower of Jesus Christ I firmly believe that Israel uses the Bible to control
our foreign policy where it concerns them.
I'm not the gullible one sir.
"But now, a group of 43 senators — 29 Republi... (show quote)

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Jul 24, 2017 10:14:54   #
Shutterbugsailer Loc: Staten Island NY (AKA Cincinnati by the Sea)
 
thom w wrote:
You're right. besides bombing civilians and schools and hospitals, and not respecting others borders, I can't think of anything Russia and Israel have in common


Maybe so, but do consider their enemies' tactics which include blowing themselves up in Israeli buses and restaurants "playing by the rules"? What about the airplane hijackings and the Munich Olympic Massacre? Were the victims armed combatants. How about the ways they torture and k**l each other in Muslim on Muslim violence? Moreover, the Palestinians are known for using hospitals, ambulances, schools, homes, and Mosques as places to manufacture, store, or launch rockets and bombs, turning them into valid military targets. I would be an i***t to claim Israel totally innocent of wrongdoings. I support them not because I believe they can do no wrong, but because their enemies can do no right

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Jul 24, 2017 10:55:37   #
bull drink water Loc: pontiac mi.
 
Shutterbugsailer wrote:
Maybe so, but do consider their enemies' tactics which include blowing themselves up in Israeli buses and restaurants "playing by the rules"? What about the airplane hijackings and the Munich Olympic Massacre? Were the victims armed combatants. How about the ways they torture and k**l each other in Muslim on Muslim violence? Moreover, the Palestinians are known for using hospitals, ambulances, schools, homes, and Mosques as places to manufacture, store, or launch rockets and bombs, turning them into valid military targets. I would be an i***t to claim Israel totally innocent of wrongdoings. I support them not because I believe they can do no wrong, but because their enemies can do no right
Maybe so, but do consider their enemies' tactics w... (show quote)


in india's quest for independence they able to establish two states, india and Pakistan. in 1948 the un copuld have established Israel and palistine as separate states. it would have been the best thing to do.

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Jul 24, 2017 10:56:19   #
thom w Loc: San Jose, CA
 
Rab-Eye wrote:
Thom, what can I say? Your moral compass is broken.


In what way? Because I detest Netanyahu? I have no particular feeling about Jewish people, there are good and there are bad.

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Jul 24, 2017 10:59:26   #
thom w Loc: San Jose, CA
 
bull drink water wrote:
in india's quest for independence they able to establish two states, india and Pakistan. in 1948 the un copuld have established Israel and palistine as separate states. it would have been the best thing to do.


India got rid of the English non violently. The Israelis established their country through terrorism. It's not me calling them terrorists, the British did that.

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Jul 24, 2017 11:03:01   #
Steven Seward Loc: Cleveland, Ohio
 
bull drink water wrote:
in india's quest for independence they able to establish two states, india and Pakistan. in 1948 the un copuld have established Israel and palistine as separate states. it would have been the best thing to do.

Yes, but the Arabs (Palestinians) rejected the U.N. partition and declared they wanted all of the land of Israel for their own so that they could "push the Jews into the Sea."

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Jul 24, 2017 11:11:16   #
Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.
 
soba1 wrote:
No matter where u stand if this is true this is a definite assault on free speech

https://theintercept.com/2017/07/19/u-s-lawmakers-seek-to-criminally-outlaw-support-for-boycott-campaign-against-israel/


I would be careful in believing that this is actual proposed legislation, you are right that we should be outraged, but I am also highly suspect that this may be f**e news....

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Jul 24, 2017 11:13:26   #
Steven Seward Loc: Cleveland, Ohio
 
thom w wrote:
India got rid of the English non violently. The Israelis established their country through terrorism. It's not me calling them terrorists, the British did that.

True, the Indians were generally non-violent against the British because the British were generally non-violent against them. It wasn't so much that the Indians kicked them out, as it was the British just grew weary of maintaining their Colony. But after their Independence all hell broke loose when they decided to split into two countries. The depravity and violence between the Hindus and the Muslims was as bad as anything seen in World War II.

http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2015/06/29/the-great-divide-books-dalrymple

What is generally referred to as the "Jewish Terrorism" in Israel under the British rule was so tame that it would not even make the news if it happened today.

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