Lieb wrote:
I was about to buy the Canon 80 D, but wondering if I should consider the Nikon 7200. They are similar in many ways, both are good cameras. I'd like your feedback on which one you would buy and why.
I like to take travel photos, sports photos, grand children, landscapes and wildlife.
First of all, both are excellent cameras with extensive systems behind them. You can make great photos with either one.
However, you should look beyond the camera, at the other lenses and accessories you may want now or in the future. That can give you guidance which system is better for you, since there are some differences.
You mention travel and landscape photography... to me that means a wide angle lens. In that case, Canon has one of the best deals out there, in their EF-S 10-18mm IS STM lens, selling for under $300. The most comparable Nikkor 10-24mm costs nearly $900 and won't make any better images. The Canon lens is not only the least expensive ultrawide, it's also the smallest, lightest and one of only two that have image stabilization. It's a bit plasticky, but quite capable. Canon's "better" ultrawide is also quite good... the older EF-S 10-22mm USM doesn't have image stabilization, but it's better built, has higher performance USM autofocus drive, and sells for around $600. The "other" Nikkor... a 12-24mm... sells for $1100.... and won't make any better images.
But you also mention wildlife photography and for that Nikon has a particularly nice lens in their 200-500mm f/5.6 VR that sells for around $1500. Their older, more expensive 80-400mm (around $2000) is also excellent. The most comparable Canon is a superb 100-400mm "L" IS USM II, selling now for around $2000. There's an older version of that lens selling for less, but the only Canon zoom reaching 500mm or longer is the uber expensive 200-400mm f/4L IS USM with it's built in 1.4X teleconverter, which is a stunning lens, but costs around $11,000!
OTOH, if you wanted a prime super telephoto instead of a zoom, Canon has more options and has been using fluorite elements to deliver top image quality with them for decades. Nikon has only within the past year their big telephotos to include fluorite, but their "FL" lenses all tend to be significantly more expensive than the comparable Canon. Compare the Canon "II" 400mm f/2.8L, 500mm f/4L, 600mm f/4L and 800mm f/5.6L with the "FL" Nikkor counterparts. (Nikkor 300mm f/2.8 "FL", hasn't yet been introduced... Canon has used fluorite in theirs in versions dating back over 30 years. Canon also offers a superb EF 200mm f/2L IS USM w/fluorite.)
This carries over to some of the zooms, too... For example, Nikon has just introduced a 70-200mm f/2.8 "FL", selling for around $2800. It's said to be the best 70-200 Nikon has ever made. But Canon offers choice of four different 70-200s, three of which have included fluorite elements for years. The most comparable EF 70-200mm f/2.8L "II" sells for $1900 and also is ranked as one of the best 70-200s made. Canon even includes fluorite in their $700 EF 70-200mm f/4L USM (w/o IS) and $1100 EF 70-200/4L IS USM.
Both Canon and Nikon offer image stabilization and implement it similarly... optical correction for movement done with a group of elements in many of their lenses (other manufacturers put image stabilization in their cameras, moving the image sensor to correct for movement). While they give similar assistance, many Nikon users advocate turning off VR at times because they feel it slows autofocus to some small degree. There seems to be some evidence to support this, which might make the difference between getting a shot or not in a fast moving situation such as sports or wildlife photography. I've never heard or read a Canon user complain that their IS (which was implemented some 6 or 8 years before Nikon or anyone else put it in their cameras or lenses) has any negative effect on autofocus performance. I have no quantitative evidence to support this other than fifteen years personal experience and perhaps a quarter million photos taken using Canon IS lenses, but I feel that - if anything - Canon's stabilization system does the opposite and actually helps autofocus performance. I hardly ever turn off IS on any of my Canon lenses.
A Canon 80D can fully use any EF or EF-S lens that's been the last 30 years or is currently in production (about 90 lenses).
Nikon D7200 can work with most lenses Nikon produce now (both DX and FX, also about 90 lenses) or has produced in the past, too... but some of the lower priced Nikon DSLRs cannot autofocus lenses other than AF-S or AF-P (i.e., D5000-series and D3000 series cameras ). Nikon has used the same "F-mount" since 1959, making modifications and additions to it over the years to accommodate new features. There's a lot of "backward compatibility" within the Nikon system, so many vintage lenses can be used on them. But, due to the near-continuous "tweaking" to the mount, it can be important to consult a lens chart to confirm compatibility before purchasing (see:
http://www.kenrockwell.com/nikon/compatibility-lens.htm and
https://www.nikonians.org/reviews/nikon-slr-camera-and-lens-compatibility).
Canon completely switched from a mechanical "FL/FD" mount to their electro-mechanical "EF" mount in the late 1980s and early 1990s. Unfortunately there isn't much backward compatibility between these, orphaning a lot of great lenses in the old manual focus system. However, the modern Canon mount allows a great many other manufacturers' lenses to easily be adapted for use upon any modern EOS/EF DSLR... including vintage Nikon f-mount, Olympus OM, Pentax screw-mount and Pentax P/K bayonet mount, and a lot of others (see:
http://bobatkins.com/photography/eosfaq/manual_focus_EOS.html). There aren't many that can be adapted this way for use on modern Nikon F-mount cameras. Sony cameras are similar to Canon, able to use many brands via adapters... While Olympus and Pentax are more like Nikon, mostly limited to their own vintage mount lenses. To be fair, there are a lot of vintage lenses that can be used on all of them.
Canon makes their own image sensors. Nikon buys theirs from Sony. Canon pioneered using CMOS image sensors in their DSLRs around 2000/2001. Those proved to be better in some ways, such as for high ISO shooting, than the CCD type sensors everyone else was using. Nikon made their first foray into using CMOS in 2004 with their D2X... but didn't really mainstream using it fully until 2007 with D300 and D3, 2008 with D90. All DSLR manufacturers have now switched over to CMOS and continued to develop them to higher and higher image quality potential. Medium format digital manufacturers held out as long as they could, continuing to use "slower" CCD in their cameras until a couple years ago. But with the advent of Nikon, Sony and Canon DSLRs that have 36MP, 42MP and 50MP sensors... rivaling the resolution of medium format... the MF manufacturers have had to step up and convert to using CMOS, too. A little competition can be a healthy thing... driving improvements.
Both Nikon and Canon have been in the photography business for many years... since the early 20th Century. They both really took off globally after WWII. But now Canon is the larger corporation, more diverse in the products and services they offer. Nikon remains somewhat specialized. Canon is #254 on the 2016 Forbes Global 2000 largest companies list, with market capitalization (company valuation) of $40 billion and worldwide annual sales revenues over $30 billion. Nikon has fallen off the Forbes 2000 list this year, but was #1283 in 2014 with $6.4 billion market capitalization and just over $10 billion in worldwide sales revenues. Both companies have struggled a bit and seen profits slip due to the steep decline in the compact "point n shoot" camera market, as people have turned to simply using their smart phones instead. But Canon and Nikon still enjoy the largest market share of the interchangeable lens marketplace (despite both of them being slow to develop products in the new "mirrorless" segment of that market). In 2015 Canon had around 43% share, Nikon around 32% and Sony 12%, while "all others" split up the remaining 12%. (Note: Sony is #192 on 2016 Forbes 2000 with market cap of $34B and global sales of almost $68B. Fujifilm ranked as #417 with $21B market cap and almost $21B sales. Ricoh, who now owns Pentax, was #748 with $8B market cap and $18.5B sales. Olympus was #1473 with $14B market cap and $6.7B sales.)
So, as far as the cameras themselves are concerned... it's pretty much a toss-up. Both are excellent and capable. When it comes to lenses and accessories, depending upon your priorities, one or the other might have a slight advantage. As far as their company resources and future... Canon is bigger, more diverse and enjoys a bit larger share of the market. But Nikon is not far behind in 2nd place and is more focused on the camera industry and optics. Both will no doubt have their ups and downs in the future.
Do go to a store and handle the cameras, to see if one or the other seems a better "fit" for you. Study the control layout and menus, to see if one or the other seems more intuitive and easier to use. No doubt, either can be "learned".... it just might be easier for you with one or the other.
The problem with asking a "Canon versus Nikon" question on a forum like this is that people just naturally want to recommend you buy whatever they bought.... and they may or may not be familiar with both brands. I try to be a little more even handed, but I'm sure I have my own biases, too.
I'm happy with my Canon gear and plan to stick with it.
But I know quite a few happy Nikon users, too (and I personally enjoy some vintage Nikon in my camera collection, along with some vintage Canon, Konica, Pentax, Olympus, Minolta, etc.!)
Have fun shopping!