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Feb 28, 2017 08:00:28   #
leftj Loc: Texas
 
MT Shooter wrote:
Despite the rampant claims of mirrorless being the fastest growing camera segment, their sales have been literally flat for four years now. But their performance is better than DSLR sales and MUCH better than P&S sales over the same period.


Source?

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Feb 28, 2017 08:02:06   #
leftj Loc: Texas
 
BJW wrote:
Correction. Kit lense. Singular.


Actually it's "lens"

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Feb 28, 2017 08:12:18   #
BJW
 
Actually, both spellings are recognized as correct and are listed as synonyms in Thesaurus and other widely cited reference sources.
But I like lens too because it saves a keystroke.

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Feb 28, 2017 08:24:46   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
MT Shooter wrote:
Despite the rampant claims of mirrorless being the fastest growing camera segment, their sales have been literally flat for four years now. But their performance is better than DSLR sales and MUCH better than P&S sales over the same period.


Looks like the Apple Mac vs the rest of the PC world... Flat sales in a declining market. At least there's significant price preservation in that situation (for Apple and the Mirrorless camera camp).

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Feb 28, 2017 08:29:24   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
BJW wrote:
Actually, both spellings are recognized as correct and are listed as synonyms in Thesaurus and other widely cited reference sources.
But I like lens too because it saves a keystroke.


Lens in "American English"... Lense gets autocorrected in my browsers here. Yet it seems to be the preferred spelling in "British English" speaking lands.

Language is colloquial in nature... Yet we know what is stated, most of the time!

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Feb 28, 2017 08:37:01   #
warrior Loc: Paso Robles CA
 
OMG! My Sonya6300 compared to my Nikon D810 for this 86 yr. old saved my neck and wrist!

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Feb 28, 2017 08:37:07   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
Capn_Dave wrote:
I am in the same boat, thinking about a mirrorless camera. I had one a bunch of years ago and it worked okay,but for the electronic viewfinder.
I two words, it sucked. And the lag time between you pushed the shutter and the actual photo was taken, seemed like forever.
Are these items up to snuff with a DSLR? or are they still a problem
Thanks gang.


The latest models have largely solved those issues. The latest 2.3 megadot EVFs are bright, crisp, fast, and wonderful to work with.

The delay is much shorter. That issue is largely solved by the use of electronic shutters and ridiculously high frame rates (40 fps and up, on some models). The forthcoming Lumix GH5 will make 30 18MP stills per second. Its mechanical shutter is good for 12 fps.

The "non-Canikon" mirrorless camera manufacturers are trying much harder than dSLR manufacturers. They've all been extremely innovative over the last five years.

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Feb 28, 2017 08:57:21   #
Tomcat5133 Loc: Gladwyne PA
 
I have the a6000 and the a6300 their is a a6500 now. You all know that you get a camera that you just love to work with. My old Nikon DSLRs were
comfortable simple to set and I loved the F3's I think. I really liked the Nikon 7000. Shot my first video with it and that started my current career.
I have the Sony a7s and PXW X70 camcorder, RX100 IV and my favorite the a6000 series. I am intrigued by the Oylmpus an some the other great cameras
but dont know much about them. Don't see them often where I go in the US. Sonys sensors are in a lot of other cameras. I believe Nikon uses them in the D800s.
The weight and user experience is a big deal. The image quality of all the cameras I mentioned I believe to be superb.

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Feb 28, 2017 08:57:23   #
camerapapi Loc: Miami, Fl.
 
As you very well know the selection of a camera is a very personal matter influenced by the type of photography that the operator usually does. As a tool the camera is selected on basis of the jobs at hand and for instance a landscape photographer will not have the same requirements than a wildlife or sports photographer. In those particular cases the camera with the fastest AF and best firing rate will be the camera to select for the sports and wildlife photographer.
Mirrorless has come a long way. All manufacturers are offering excellent bodies and in the majority of them the assortment of lenses is good enough to tackle any assignments. Some have better AF for action photography than others but eventually all of them will have an excellent AF for sports and action.
I use Olympus bodies. I have an old EPL-1 that performs for me to perfection and a more modern but by now considered an "old" camera which is the Olympus Pen EP-5 with the EVF-4. I have a decent assortment of lenses for the bodies I have and I find myself using the camera more often than my dSLR cameras.
Sony has been pretty short in their assortment of lenses but that is changing and they can use excellent Carl Zeiss lenses. I am not familiar with Fuji but they have excellent quality. Panasonic is making excellent bodies also and since it has a joint venture with Olympus the lenses of one company fit the bodies of the other. I use three Panasonic lenses with my Olympus bodies.
I would recommend that you rent the body you have in mind before buying. If there is a camera store nearby hold that particular camera you want in your hands and play with it to see if it is what you need. Useless to say that you should look at the lenses that are made for the camera so that you can fill your needs.
It will be very difficult to go wrong regardless of the brand you select although I will be the first one to tell you that Nikon and Canon did not invest in mirrorless cameras and most probably they regret it by now. Nikon is at present undergoing "re-structure" after a disastrous bad decision. Things most probably would have been different if they have invested in a good mirrorless camera with a good assortment of lenses.
I continue to predict that one day most if not all cameras will be mirrorless.

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Feb 28, 2017 08:57:40   #
maggiek
 
I recently purchased the M5 mostly because of my existing collection of L lenses. The 50 mm is amazing on the m5, but the rest are large and heavy for this body and honestly I don't know if I will ever want to use these lenses with the M5 rather than the DSLR. So then naturally a "had" to purchase the M 22 mm and the M 18-150 mm for a lightweight carryaround system. The combination of these three lenses will meet most of my needs for a carry around/travel system. Having said that, there really isn't any reason to stick with Canon since you will probably never want to use your L glass on this camera. However, I like the familiar layout and button usage on the Canon, so for me, I am glad I stuck with Canon.

Something better will always come along. A system I will take with me beats the system I will leave in my closet.

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Feb 28, 2017 09:04:49   #
mineart
 
Fuji X-T20. I researched and tested every major mirrorless brand and body within that brand since October. The best bang for the buck for me- the best IQ and auto-focus for people (bought to shoot my new son as well as shoot concerts and theatre pieces) - is the Fuji X-T20 with 18-55 f2.8-4 kit lens. Can not recommend it enough. It is a great deal of the X-T2 in a $700 less expensive body.

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Feb 28, 2017 09:08:24   #
Toment Loc: FL, IL
 
crphoto8 wrote:
I'm returning to the often discussed topic of mirrorless cameras. I'm looking to add a mirrorless system because my Canon 5D Mk3 and 3 L lenses bag is getting
heavier and heavier as I age. I've followed previous threads on this topic, have read reviews on the new crop of bodies, so here are some thoughts.
New bodies from Olympus, Fujifilm, Panasonic, Sony, etc. are quite impressive. There's an excellent comparison of the Olympus and Fuji high end bodies at

http://mirrorlesscomparison.com/fujifilm-vs-olympus/omd-em1-mark-ii-vs-fuji-xt2/

I still have a long way to go before I decide if and when to add a mirrorless system. The leading candidates are non-Canon so the price of a new system
is a significant factor. I could conceivably use an adapter for my L lenses but I don't know if I'll retain full functionality and the weight reduction may be gone.
The Canon M5 can use my lenses with adapter but the body is not in the same league as the other manufacturers.
Adorama has a promotion for Fuji - you can trade in any body and up to 3 lenses for a discount of up to $800.
I'm returning to the often discussed topic of mirr... (show quote)


Sony a6500. Fotodiox AF adapter w/Canon lens. AF is almost as fast as a 5Diii, no kidding, plus you get in-body 5 axis stabilization. Canon lenses are heavy, though, so you may want to invest in a good Sony lens too.
But the a6500 is 12oz vs 2 lbs for the 5D, do the math and save your neck!
Have fun 👍

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Feb 28, 2017 09:11:07   #
Morning Star Loc: West coast, North of the 49th N.
 
crphoto8 wrote:
...snip...
I still have a long way to go before I decide if and when to add a mirrorless system. The leading candidates are non-Canon so the price of a new system is a significant factor. I could conceivably use an adapter for my L lenses but I don't know if I'll retain full functionality and the weight reduction may be gone. ...snip...


The price of a system, yes!
However, you don't have to buy the entire system at once.
When I switched to mirrorless, I bought the camera body and a lens adapter. And started saving my pennies again. For the time being, I used the lenses I had used with my DSLR.
As my piggybank got fat enough, I bought a lens designed for the mirrorless - but kept feeding the piggy.
I now have 3 pro lenses for my mirrorless camera, and rarely use the lenses from the DSLR now.
The one thing you have to make sure of, before you decide to go this route: Is there an adapter to make it possible to use your current lenses on the mirrorless camera of your choice?
Sometimes there just isn't an adapter in existence to make Type A lens fit Type B body.

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Feb 28, 2017 09:12:56   #
napa1
 
I have an A6000 Sony but have always used mostly Nikon's (WZ8800,D90,D600,D7200,P900) and a few Canons over the last 20 years or so. I was really somewhat disappointed with the Sony. The Menu was not really user friendly like my Nikon's and the controls are so very small for a mans hands. It seems very difficult to set up. The photographs were of good quality and I like the 16mm/50 lens as it was compact. It performed well in low light situations. The camera was light and easy to carry. One does not have many choices of lens types so that was a problem. I feel it was a mistake for me to buy this camera, but that is only my opinion as others seem to like the camera. I was going to sell it but decided to keep it as a 'carry' around piece.
sample of work I did for a church with the A6000



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Feb 28, 2017 09:18:35   #
DavidM Loc: New Orleans, LA
 
mineart wrote:
Fuji X-T20. I researched and tested every major mirrorless brand and body within that brand since October. The best bang for the buck for me- the best IQ and auto-focus for people (bought to shoot my new son as well as shoot concerts and theatre pieces) - is the Fuji X-T20 with 18-55 f2.8-4 kit lens. Can not recommend it enough. It is a great deal of the X-T2 in a $700 less expensive body.


I've been watching the mirrorless market for some time before I make the move. At this point in time I would buy either the Fuji xt2 or the xt20 based on all the reviews of most mirrorless cameras I've seen. I think I'll wait for the next xt model to come out as I would like it to have a touch screen.

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