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Feb 13, 2017 18:23:04   #
Apaflo Loc: Anchorage, Alaska
 
selmslie wrote:
Yes, "loan" is both a noun and a verb. That's what

But for someone who doesn't know the difference between advice and advise, you are not in a position to lecture anyone on grammar.

A word cannot be both at the same time, hence it correct to say "or" the exact way that I did.

Advice is a noun, advise is a verb. Sorry for the typo. Guess it gave you another thrill.

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Feb 13, 2017 18:41:55   #
mas24 Loc: Southern CA
 
SusanFromVermont wrote:
I read through all the responses to your post, and there is a lot of excellent advice. I just wonder why you are the one who is posting here rather than your friend! Sounds to me like you would not be confident enough to tackle the assignment, and are projecting it onto him. (I know I would not have the confidence either!) He, on the other hand, sounds confident, and the fact that he already recognizes the need for help with managing things shows he is thinking ahead.

While 3-4 months is not a lot of time to prepare and gain experience, when still maintaining regular daily routines, it should be possible with planning. Have you talked to him yet about some of the advice presented here? Not just the discouragement part, mostly the constructive suggestions.

There was the suggestion to shadow a professional wedding photographer. He would probably get a lot of useful information and experience from going out with the pro, since doing is much better for learning than reading or even practicing on your own. It would be very useful to find someone he could go with multiple times, and who would talk to him away from the shoot site. No time to talk at the wedding! If he happens to know other people who are getting married, perhaps their photographer would not object to his being there with a camera.

If your friend enjoys photography as much as so many of us, he would probably have more fun doing that than sitting in a pew and then walking around with a plate of h'ordoerves! So the best thing you could do is share the constructive advice, especially the part about planning. Plan, plan, and plan again... And practice, practice, practice... Then go to the wedding and have fun - photography should always be fun!!!

[I go to football and baseball games with my husband. Always take my camera and tripod. More fun than watching the game with the same perspective as everyone else!]
I read through all the responses to your post, and... (show quote)


I don't do Weddings. I am an amateur, and would never attempt to do it, due to lack of experience. This isn't your general vacation photo shoot. If you screw those up, you get mad at yourself, not someone getting mad at you. Some even suggested that I be his backup photographer. I won't even do that.

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Feb 13, 2017 18:44:37   #
MichaelL
 
SusanFromVermont wrote:
I read through all the responses to your post, and there is a lot of excellent advice. I just wonder why you are the one who is posting here rather than your friend! Sounds to me like you would not be confident enough to tackle the assignment, and are projecting it onto him. (I know I would not have the confidence either!) He, on the other hand, sounds confident, and the fact that he already recognizes the need for help with managing things shows he is thinking ahead.

While 3-4 months is not a lot of time to prepare and gain experience, when still maintaining regular daily routines, it should be possible with planning. Have you talked to him yet about some of the advice presented here? Not just the discouragement part, mostly the constructive suggestions.

There was the suggestion to shadow a professional wedding photographer. He would probably get a lot of useful information and experience from going out with the pro, since doing is much better for learning than reading or even practicing on your own. It would be very useful to find someone he could go with multiple times, and who would talk to him away from the shoot site. No time to talk at the wedding! If he happens to know other people who are getting married, perhaps their photographer would not object to his being there with a camera.

If your friend enjoys photography as much as so many of us, he would probably have more fun doing that than sitting in a pew and then walking around with a plate of h'ordoerves! So the best thing you could do is share the constructive advice, especially the part about planning. Plan, plan, and plan again... And practice, practice, practice... Then go to the wedding and have fun - photography should always be fun!!!

[I go to football and baseball games with my husband. Always take my camera and tripod. More fun than watching the game with the same perspective as everyone else!]
I read through all the responses to your post, and... (show quote)


What a great comment Susan from Vermont. I think that sums it up pretty well. There are also a number of online courses available for both free and for sale that could help.

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Feb 13, 2017 19:03:15   #
R'laine Loc: Bay of Plenty, New Zealand.
 
I shot a wedding for a couple of young friends back in 2011. I had a D3100, kit 18-55mm lens, and the 70-300 zoom. They were very pleased with the end results, as was I. But, lesson learned, shooting a wedding is a bloody long and hard day, nothing went wrong, but I was aware the whole time that if something DID go wrong, there would be no do-overs. I had a backup camera, (yeah, I know, the D3100 wouldn't even cut it as a backup campera for a pro) and thankfully nothing went wrong. I wouldn't do it again though, waaaaay too much pressure, I prefer my shoots to be more relaxed.

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Feb 13, 2017 19:13:14   #
jlrivera Loc: Round Lake, Illinois
 
SharpShooter wrote:
If the guy is a GOOD photographer, he has everything he needs. He probably has a speedlight, what else is there?
Because YOU don't have the confidence in your abilities to do a wedding, why do you think he can't get it done?
WHY does he need fast primes?? To be sure nothing is in focus?
He's only gonna be an amateur like you till he shoots that wedding, then he'll be MORE professional than you!!!
It's always the 12" behind the camera till it comes to a wedding, suddenly it's ALL about the camera?! Hmmmm, funny how that works!!! LoL
SS
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Feb 13, 2017 19:17:52   #
photon38
 
Hmm. Try doing wedding videos, now that is 6to 8 hours of total concentration, exhausting!!, Almost no let up, then up to a week of editing, using multiple cameras. When I turned seventy, I declined further work, but I did have a good time, mostly.

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Feb 13, 2017 19:24:26   #
mas24 Loc: Southern CA
 
R'laine wrote:
I shot a wedding for a couple of young friends back in 2011. I had a D3100, kit 18-55mm lens, and the 70-300 zoom. They were very pleased with the end results, as was I. But, lesson learned, shooting a wedding is a bloody long and hard day, nothing went wrong, but I was aware the whole time that if something DID go wrong, there would be no do-overs. I had a backup camera, (yeah, I know, the D3100 wouldn't even cut it as a backup campera for a pro) and thankfully nothing went wrong. I wouldn't do it again though, waaaaay too much pressure, I prefer my shoots to be more relaxed.
I shot a wedding for a couple of young friends bac... (show quote)


Yes indeed. As you stated, waaaaay too much pressure. I prefer my shoots to be more relaxed too. I own two of same lenses as you. The 18-55mm and 70-300mm, along with two primes, and another I'm ordering soon. They say, it's the person behind the camera, not the camera. To a certain extent?

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Feb 13, 2017 19:38:35   #
mas24 Loc: Southern CA
 
SharpShooter wrote:
If the guy is a GOOD photographer, he has everything he needs. He probably has a speedlight, what else is there?
Because YOU don't have the confidence in your abilities to do a wedding, why do you think he can't get it done?
WHY does he need fast primes?? To be sure nothing is in focus?
He's only gonna be an amateur like you till he shoots that wedding, then he'll be MORE professional than you!!!
It's always the 12" behind the camera till it comes to a wedding, suddenly it's ALL about the camera?! Hmmmm, funny how that works!!! LoL
SS
If the guy is a GOOD photographer, he has everythi... (show quote)


I agree with you. I only suggested the prime lenses, particularly the 50mm f1.8, in case he wanted to do a portrait. Yes, his zoom lenses can achieve those focal lengths.

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Feb 13, 2017 20:08:04   #
mas24 Loc: Southern CA
 
Thanks everyone for your comments. Some were encouraging and discouraging. Unless he wins the lottery before June, he will do this. I have faith in him that he will do OK. He knows already it will be hectic. I didn't expect so many replies. He will receive these comments. All of them.

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Feb 13, 2017 20:22:54   #
R'laine Loc: Bay of Plenty, New Zealand.
 
(double post)

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Feb 13, 2017 20:25:55   #
R'laine Loc: Bay of Plenty, New Zealand.
 
mas24 wrote:
Yes indeed. As you stated, waaaaay too much pressure. I prefer my shoots to be more relaxed too. I own two of same lenses as you. The 18-55mm and 70-300mm, along with two primes, and another I'm ordering soon. They say, it's the person behind the camera, not the camera. To a certain extent?

Agreed, I need to be content with the D3100 as circumstances dictate I cannot upgrade for now, I am determined to get the most out of it. I shot my first astro a few days ago and shared a star trail here, I was (and still am) pleased with the result, and plan on taking more astro - once this cloud cover we have here has lifted.
Smiles
Lorri

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Feb 13, 2017 20:48:09   #
mmatus
 
I started doing weddings, but stopped. Because by the time you count your time and prep and wedding processing the money (If you charge in my opinion not worth) Suggestion: I developed wedding contract 75% down 25% time of delivery. (I know you doing this as a gift. ) find out the color of the dresses, go to church and the hall there having the party @ and check the lighting.
Equipment: I used my Canon 7D, a flash, 70-200 f-2-8, maybe a prime 50MM or 15-75 f-2-8, tripod, (If the church will ok.ask where you can stand at the wedding) Take notes that will help you with the , light and dark areas.( Practice, Practice on people). I did go to the day when they were do there wedding practice.I look a the lighting and spacing. (Plenty of charge batteries , maybe a shutter release.)

Some people put camera on the table. Remember your the boss take charge. Ask the bride and groom what they want as far as posted. (Do not forget Aunt Mary )

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Feb 13, 2017 21:06:25   #
BudsOwl Loc: Upstate NY and New England
 
mas24 wrote:
A friend who owns a Nikon D7100, and owns only two lenses, a Nikon 18-55mm kit lens, and a FX 28-300mm, wants to save his sister money, from not paying a pro photographer to do a small Wedding. He is an amateur just like me. I asked him, why didn't the Bride and Groom's family chip in to hire a pro photographer. He said they were already paying for other preparations to the Wedding. I told him those 2 lenses he owned were not going to cut the mustard. He does have an external flash unit. I offered to loan him my prime lenses of 35mm f1.8 and 50mm f1.8. And an outdoor plug in work light he could use inside the small Church. He has never done a wedding before. He said he will have two young laborers to help out. He says he can handle it. I told him to prepare for a long day when he does it. Reception included. I'm glad I'm not doing it.
A friend who owns a Nikon D7100, and owns only two... (show quote)

Tell him not to do it. When doing photos for family, the guests know you are a family member and forget that you are doing the job of a professional. They will ignore you, get in your way and in general be a pain in the Axx. I did a wedding for my nephew and will never do another one. Then the work begins when you have 100s of shots to post process. Good luck to him.
Bud

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Feb 13, 2017 21:48:51   #
camerapapi Loc: Miami, Fl.
 
If your friend has no experience in wedding photography expect a disaster. A wedding, even small, is a very especial day for the couple. They expect the best and those pictures they will treasure for their lifetime.
I have never recommended to anyone without experience in wedding photography to photograph a wedding. Wedding photography requires training to know how to use flash, posing and those especial moments of a wedding that require a fast reaction on the part of the photographer.
As I said, the couple could be very disappointed with his photography.

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Feb 13, 2017 21:49:00   #
Latsok Loc: Recently moved to Washington State.
 
mas24 wrote:
A friend who owns a Nikon D7100, and owns only two lenses, a Nikon 18-55mm kit lens, and a FX 28-300mm, wants to save his sister money, from not paying a pro photographer to do a small Wedding. He is an amateur just like me. I asked him, why didn't the Bride and Groom's family chip in to hire a pro photographer. He said they were already paying for other preparations to the Wedding. I told him those 2 lenses he owned were not going to cut the mustard. He does have an external flash unit. I offered to loan him my prime lenses of 35mm f1.8 and 50mm f1.8. And an outdoor plug in work light he could use inside the small Church. He has never done a wedding before. He said he will have two young laborers to help out. He says he can handle it. I told him to prepare for a long day when he does it. Reception included. I'm glad I'm not doing it.
A friend who owns a Nikon D7100, and owns only two... (show quote)


Several years ago I shot my daughter's wedding (her second), using a Nikon D5000 with a 55-200 mm lens and my older Nikon D80 with an 18-55 lens. I was leery when she asked me to do the photography because of the cameras I would be using. The wedding was held on an Oregon beach and was not the super formal type, so I went long. I shot RAW and Jpeg and the product was very well received. We didn't have an elaborate posed formal setup but because the event was outdoors and family/friends oriented rather than formal posed shots, the final product was great.
The main problem was blowing wind and some sand and occasional intrusions by people (strangers) strolling on the beach behind where the ceremony was held. I had to photoshop several people out of the background. Dinner and dancing was shot using only the in-camera pop-up flash - granted: not ideal, but it worked.
I wouldn't have done a great job on her first wedding, (Church procession, dim light, receiving lines etc). Being that this one was the second wedding, both the bride and the groom just wanted to have a candid record of this union, chronicling the happy event, showing friends and family, everyone being happy and enjoying the afternoon and evening.
Your friend should know exactly what the bride and groom want as the final product and practice beforehand, shooting in the rooms where the events will take place (so that he knows where the optimal placement of the photographer vs the subject will be), and worry more about taking pictures which depict a happy occasion, and great looking people, rather than worrying about what type of lens should be used. It may not be the multi-thousand $$$ product that professional photographer might shoot, but it will be a "family affair." Include some candids of the guests; these invariably end up as favorites.

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