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Feb 4, 2017 11:17:54   #
Pierre H.J. Dumais Loc: Mississippi Mills, Ont.
 
Gene51 wrote:
For me it's easy. I only shoot raw - faster processing, equal and often better results, no file clutter, never wishing I had shot the image as raw because I needed the extra dynamic range to properly record the shot. But the consistent, fast workflow is probably the number one reason I shoot raw. I have been a professional photographer for a number of years (50, actually) and never in my career have I been as productive as I am today. Other than fashion headshot retouching - where I might spend an hour or more on a single image, my typical time from importing to my computer to finished image ranges from about 3 to 10 minutes, with the majority taking less than 5 min each.

Oh, and over the past 11 yrs I have been shooting raw I have never had an issue with editing raw on my Windows computers. I am not sure what Blackest is referring to.
For me it's easy. I only shoot raw - faster proces... (show quote)

Gene has summed it up perfectly.
Pierre

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Feb 4, 2017 11:23:09   #
G Brown Loc: Sunny Bognor Regis West Sussex UK
 
I use RAW + jpg as some of my software cannot read Raw and some of my Sony camera settings only work in jpg. (they are not used often though)

Raw plus whatever file you save it in, allows you the greatest ability to alter your image. Most cameras allow you to use Raw and some Raw processing is free. If it is there - use it. (That can be said for a lot of things)

I shoot lots of 'interesting shots' and then find later that an awful lot are 'not interesting enough' to save. Delete button stops me wondering about how to fix them. I also find that I sometimes like a picture to be 'a little different' than nature / Man intended so see no reason not to use whatever PP is available to alter them. As a Chef I used to eat my mistakes so no-one saw them - now I only save what I am happy to show others.

After nearly ten years of learning photography I still cannot get images right every time SOOC. Purists I think, are like vegetarians, they spend lots of effort making something that tastes like bacon, but which would always taste better if it WAS bacon. Often it is easier 'to fix' something than try to re-invent something.

How ever you get to your final image is less important than HAVING a final image that you, and others enjoy. No-one asks a Mason what the rock looked like 'in the beginning', you only wonder at the end product: not even at the tools hanging on the wall. (unless you are the kind of person that thinks ' The right tool' will make you, too, an expert!) {not everyone can cook for others}

As my Dad always said - "Try it, see if you like it....but don't tell your mother unless its legal!!"

Have fun

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Feb 4, 2017 11:32:10   #
blackest Loc: Ireland
 
Gene51 wrote:
For me it's easy. I only shoot raw - faster processing, equal and often better results, no file clutter, never wishing I had shot the image as raw because I needed the extra dynamic range to properly record the shot. But the consistent, fast workflow is probably the number one reason I shoot raw. I have been a professional photographer for a number of years (50, actually) and never in my career have I been as productive as I am today. Other than fashion headshot retouching - where I might spend an hour or more on a single image, my typical time from importing to my computer to finished image ranges from about 3 to 10 minutes, with the majority taking less than 5 min each.

Oh, and over the past 11 yrs I have been shooting raw I have never had an issue with editing raw on my Windows computers. I am not sure what Blackest is referring to.
For me it's easy. I only shoot raw - faster proces... (show quote)


I didn't say editing raw, the issue was viewing raw, in that some raw files couldn't be directly opened by the operating system, (although to be fair it is usually the case that canon or nikon release a new camera and only their software can open the new raw file for a few months at least).

If I look at raw files in finder I can see the thumbnail at different sizes

It seemed that is not necessarily the case with Windows Explorer without third party codecs for some raw files?

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/3897672 thats a 6 page thread dedicated to the issue for some raw files. The first page suggests buying a $10 codec pack.

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Feb 4, 2017 11:33:22   #
brucewells Loc: Central Kentucky
 
blackest wrote:
http://www.uglyhedgehog.com/t-439992-1.html#7396981

suggests a missing codec, for opening some raw files. It could just be newness. Although in the case of video codecs, my panasonic g5 has two options for recording video and one type (AVCHD) requires buying certain software to work with it...


Understood.

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Feb 4, 2017 12:03:42   #
Linda From Maine Loc: Yakima, Washington
 
My Windows 8 computer can read cr2 (Canon raw) files of my older bridge camera, but not the newer. I have not let that computer online for many months, though, so perhaps there has been an update.

I shoot raw+ jpg with my dslr because I find it handy to view the "finished" jpg (usually in Picasa) in order to make a decision on which raw to edit.

With the Canon sx50 (thousands of photos) and sx60 (which I haven't used a lot yet), I discovered that with distant shots, the camera itself does a better job than I, so I shoot jpg only, then edit further with Topaz Detail and layers for masking etc.

Even with a closer shot of a large subject as test, I couldn't get my raw to look as good as the camera's jpg on the sx60. The only time I was glad I had shot raw, as well, was in harsh bright light. In that instance I was able to pull a few more details from the raw file (eagle's head in sunlight).

Once I've edited my favorites from an outing, I delete the jpg's from my computer, but keep the raw and the PS Elements file that contains all the layers of my work.

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Feb 4, 2017 12:08:01   #
blackest Loc: Ireland
 
Linda From Maine wrote:
My Windows 8 computer can read cr2 (Canon raw) files of my older bridge camera, but not the newer. I have not let that computer online for many months, though, so perhaps there has been an update.

I shoot raw+ jpg with my dslr because I find it handy to view the "finished" jpg (usually in Picasa) in order to make a decision on which raw to edit.

With the Canon sx50 (thousands of photos) and sx60 (which I haven't used a lot yet), I discovered that with distant shots, the camera itself does a better job than I, so I shoot jpg only, then edit further with Topaz Detail and layers for masking etc.

Even with a closer shot of a large subject as test, I couldn't get my raw to look as good as the camera's jpg on the sx60. The only time I was glad I had shot raw, as well, was in harsh bright light. In that instance I was able to pull a few more details from the raw file (eagle's head in sunlight).

Once I've edited my favorites from an outing, I delete the jpg's from my computer, but keep the raw and the PS Elements file that contains all the layers of my work.
My Windows 8 computer can read cr2 (Canon raw) fil... (show quote)


Thanks for the confirmation Linda, see i'm not a complete idiot :)

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Feb 4, 2017 12:11:44   #
LoneRangeFinder Loc: Left field
 
Pierre H.J. Dumais wrote:
Gene has summed it up perfectly.
Pierre



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Feb 4, 2017 13:20:18   #
PHRubin Loc: Nashville TN USA
 
I hesitate to say I only shoot jpg. Apparently I am in the vast minority.

I do not sell photos, and rarely print. I post on social media and email. The only prints I've had made in the last decade are 8 X 10s in a photo album of singers that I subsequently have autographed when I see them again. I shoot many other subjects, but that is all I have printed.

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Feb 4, 2017 13:35:41   #
Peterff Loc: O'er The Hills and Far Away, in Themyscira.
 
steve49 wrote:
Do you shoot some of each or are you all in one way or the other?

Thoughts on when you may reduce the files or when you feel the need to shoot raw?


I live in San Francisco, so I go both ways! Disk is cheap. JPEG is fast, but for anything that is worth keeping, post processing or printing raw is superior, faster and easier.

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Feb 4, 2017 13:38:58   #
Peterff Loc: O'er The Hills and Far Away, in Themyscira.
 
blackest wrote:
Thanks for the confirmation Linda, see i'm not a complete idiot :)


Hey, it's hard to be a compleat idiot. You're going to have to work much harder!

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Feb 4, 2017 13:41:19   #
LoneRangeFinder Loc: Left field
 
Peterff wrote:
Hey, it's hard to be a compleat idiot. You're going to have to work much harder!

Besides the competition is fierce.

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Feb 4, 2017 13:44:03   #
Peterff Loc: O'er The Hills and Far Away, in Themyscira.
 
LoneRangeFinder wrote:
Besides the competition is fierce.


Yeah, I know! I train every day, but I'm still not making the grade!

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Feb 4, 2017 13:46:28   #
LoneRangeFinder Loc: Left field
 
Peterff wrote:
Yeah, I know! I train every day, but I'm still not making the grade!

Well I would consider you to be far down on the list. You'll just have to work a whole lot harder!

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Feb 4, 2017 13:51:10   #
Peterff Loc: O'er The Hills and Far Away, in Themyscira.
 
LoneRangeFinder wrote:
Well I would consider you to be far down on the list. You'll just have to work a whole lot harder!


Damn! It's hard to deal with the emotional consequences of failure.

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Feb 4, 2017 13:56:21   #
Mac Loc: Pittsburgh, Philadelphia now Hernando Co. Fl.
 
steve49 wrote:
Do you shoot some of each or are you all in one way or the other?

Thoughts on when you may reduce the files or when you feel the need to shoot raw?


I shoot RAW all the time.

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