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Jun 2, 2012 12:20:51   #
UP-2-IT Loc: RED STICK, LA
 
carlysue wrote:
I am just wondering how you folk who live in the effected states feel about this pipeline coming through from Alberta to the Gulf coast. I don't really care so much about your political agendas. I'd prefer your thoughts on how you feel environmentally if there was a spill or if you have concerns about environment or health issues. After all, the pipe won't run through my neighborhood in Ohio and its not my eyesore.That doesn't mean I'm ambivalent. Just want to know how those who are directly affected feel.
I am just wondering how you folk who live in the e... (show quote)


Understand your question, a great one really. I am responding only because there are so many pipelines passing through this area of south Louisiana. The majority of them are constructed following very strict guidelines and are constantly monitored because of your concerns. This is not to say that an accident can or cannot happen, there is always the possibility of a break and a leak either from mother nature or man made. But to look at what they accomplish, moving oil, in this case, from Canada to the Gulf Coast they are the most efficient and economical way to do this. From a personal point of view I would rather live close to a pipeline than I would an oil well, either in the drilling stage or producing stage. The wells are extremely noisy and odoriferous and very unsightly, just aditional forms of pollution.

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Jun 2, 2012 12:21:46   #
UP-2-IT Loc: RED STICK, LA
 
carlysue wrote:
Thanks, Donrent and Archy. But you both live in Florida and you would not be one of the 50 people out of 5,000 who would have to look at this or be concerned what a tornado would do to it.....just sayin'.


A tornado would have no effect on a pipeline.

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Jun 2, 2012 12:24:45   #
UP-2-IT Loc: RED STICK, LA
 
woody54895 wrote:
I've read where most, if not all, of this oil will be exported and and will not benefit us at all, with the exceptions of the oil companies, of course.


No Woody, you were misinformed on that. Once completed it will first be used to replace our strategic reserves which over the years have been tapped for whatever reason. Some will perhaps be exported but the majority will stay here in the US.

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Jun 2, 2012 12:26:55   #
UP-2-IT Loc: RED STICK, LA
 
Fla Walt wrote:
I remember that in the 1970's when domestic oil sold for less than imported oil the oil companies loaded up tankers in Texas shipped it a few miles to Mexico and then trucked it back to the US as foreign oil.
something is just not right about that.


Walt, where did you get this information from, what validates your statement?

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Jun 2, 2012 12:57:58   #
pigpen
 
Here in western PA, there are a lot of natural gas wells going up. Personally, I'm not a fan of what it is doing to the landscape, but the people who own the land are very happy with the money. Also, I don't live in La-La land. I realize we need sources of energy. If I lived where the pipeline was going through, I'd rather see a pipeline than put up with tanker trucks coming into our neighborhood. I also think the tanker trucks pose a greater risk of spills and , obviously, auto accidents.

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Jun 2, 2012 17:22:25   #
woody54868
 
DeanerNiker wrote:
woody54895 wrote:
I've read where most, if not all, of this oil will be exported and and will not benefit us at all, with the exceptions of the oil companies, of course.


The main benefit is putting people to work building it.


Right, this will create jobs, for what, like 3 years or so? I can see all these construction workers who haven't had a decent paycheck in years, all of a sudden getting a huge paycheck, going out and buying a new car, a new pick up truck, maybe a house. And in three years, the job is done, the big paycheck is no longer. We will have a whole bunch of foreclosures all over again. But...the oil companies will be really happy.

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Jun 2, 2012 17:59:51   #
Mattie
 
<<<<<I can see all these construction workers who haven't had a decent paycheck in years, all of a sudden getting a huge paycheck, going out and buying a new car, a new pick up truck, maybe a house. And in three years, the job is done, the big paycheck is no longer. We will have a whole bunch of foreclosures all over again. But...the oil companies will be really happy.>>>>>

This is what happens when people buy above their means. The banks gave them loans when BOTH knew they couldn't afford it if disaster strikes....Most love to impress others of how big and fine their house is.... while owing a fortune on it for the next 30 or 40 years. I knew just such a family too, when the husband was suddenly without a job and the payments were too much for the wife's salary to handle along with other bills they owed on too.

Those loans people take out usually extend past retirement age... Who in their right mind wants to be making payments after they've retired. People get sick, or something else happens where they can't afford the payments.

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Jun 2, 2012 18:06:20   #
ace-mt Loc: Montana
 
To me the main benefit of the pipeline, is having a steady supply of energy that does not hinge on the whims of governments that hate us. A pipeline from a friendly neighbor is far superior to shipping oil through the Strait of Hormuz.

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Jun 2, 2012 18:16:53   #
Mattie
 
One would think as cozy as Obama is with the unions, he'd jump at that pipeline, but the enviornmentalists must mean more to him than those union men. Then he wonders why manufacturers have gone over seas to have their products made... it's cause of the unions demanding and getting such high salaries which has driven up the cost of products in this country. I remember when a big box of cereal cost 55 cents. Now it's way over 3 bucks and you get less of it than back then, too.

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Jun 2, 2012 18:33:35   #
DeanerNiker Loc: Lakewood, Colorado
 
woody54868 wrote:
DeanerNiker wrote:
woody54895 wrote:
I've read where most, if not all, of this oil will be exported and and will not benefit us at all, with the exceptions of the oil companies, of course.


The main benefit is putting people to work building it.


Right, this will create jobs, for what, like 3 years or so? I can see all these construction workers who haven't had a decent paycheck in years, all of a sudden getting a huge paycheck, going out and buying a new car, a new pick up truck, maybe a house. And in three years, the job is done, the big paycheck is no longer. We will have a whole bunch of foreclosures all over again. But...the oil companies will be really happy.
quote=DeanerNiker quote=woody54895 I've read whe... (show quote)


Your are right. . . Don't put them to work, just put them on welfare or unemployment. Why don't we just get rid of all the oil companies and make it all government. Now they sure as hell know how to run everything. They have proven that over and over. And our government had nothing to do with the foreclosures. . .letting people into homes with little or no down payment. Why would you even think about buying a home that one income could not make the payment and buy food. When I bought my home I happened to look more than 3 years down the road. Do you really think all construction workers are that stupid?

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Jun 2, 2012 18:40:56   #
Harvey Loc: Pioneer, CA
 
There are several things to address here:
Did any of you happen to see the map that was posted that showed all the hundreds of oil, gas & natural gas pipelines already in existence?
Leaks and damage would be far easier to control and repair in this more modern line than ones that I know have been in for unknown years.
A very large amount of pipe lines are owned by the RR companies as they run right in the RR right-away.
Put it in, put men & women back to work, control the export, move ahead.

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Jun 2, 2012 22:33:40   #
Archy Loc: Lake Hamilton, Florida
 
woody54868 wrote:
DeanerNiker wrote:
woody54895 wrote:
I've read where most, if not all, of this oil will be exported and and will not benefit us at all, with the exceptions of the oil companies, of course.


The main benefit is putting people to work building it.


Right, this will create jobs, for what, like 3 years or so? I can see all these construction workers who haven't had a decent paycheck in years, all of a sudden getting a huge paycheck, going out and buying a new car, a new pick up truck, maybe a house. And in three years, the job is done, the big paycheck is no longer. We will have a whole bunch of foreclosures all over again. But...the oil companies will be really happy.
quote=DeanerNiker quote=woody54895 I've read whe... (show quote)


You’re a real optimist you are…………..

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Jun 3, 2012 00:59:41   #
UP-2-IT Loc: RED STICK, LA
 
Mattie wrote:
<<<<<I can see all these construction workers who haven't had a decent paycheck in years, all of a sudden getting a huge paycheck, going out and buying a new car, a new pick up truck, maybe a house. And in three years, the job is done, the big paycheck is no longer. We will have a whole bunch of foreclosures all over again. But...the oil companies will be really happy.>>>>>

This is what happens when people buy above their means. The banks gave them loans when BOTH knew they couldn't afford it if disaster strikes....Most love to impress others of how big and fine their house is.... while owing a fortune on it for the next 30 or 40 years. I knew just such a family too, when the husband was suddenly without a job and the payments were too much for the wife's salary to handle along with other bills they owed on too.

Those loans people take out usually extend past retirement age... Who in their right mind wants to be making payments after they've retired. People get sick, or something else happens where they can't afford the payments.
<<<<<I can see all these constructi... (show quote)



Mattie, it is commendable that based on your reasoning, in your household there are no vehicles or other means of transportation, as you never know what may happen down the road. Seriously, you can't blame the banks or other financial institutions because someone looses thier McMansion and Hummer when the job runs out. Champain taste on a beer budget has never worked out.

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Jun 3, 2012 01:57:45   #
wlgoode Loc: Globe, AZ
 
Big oil distorted it's importance. Is anyone surprised?

*Thousands of jobs.
For a short while, then hundreds.
*Minimal environmental impact.
Well, let's just say-Valdez, Gulf, TX explosion?
*Oil independence.
It comes from Canada & goes to China.

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Jun 3, 2012 04:31:44   #
Mattie
 
Obama doesnt want the oil in this country to benefit the car industry, he wants electric cars to benefit his buddies in the 'wind' power industry. After all, I'm sure he has stock in just such companies. Why can't we have both. Even if we have an oil spill, what's the difference in tornadoes, hurricanes, or earthquakes destroying half the country? People clean it up and go on with their lives.

I will say this again, why do the people of this country elect a person who are/is only in their 40's to run a country as large as this one. No person alive, regardless of their 'smarts' have the WISDOM it takes to know what to do. Wisdom comes with age. Does anyone in their 70's know more now than they did when they were in their 40's? Of course they do. We all learn something each day of our lives. We mostly learn by mistakes. We dont need a President to 'learn' on the job employment -- if that's the case, we'll always have disasters in the making!

I bet if you ask those men sitting in Congress who are older now, have more wisdom at that age than they did when they were first elected.. such as 30's or 40's... they of course, would say yes. This has always baffled me why men so young should be able to run a country as large as this one. Not only that, but look how long they are benefiting from their govt pensions and all the freebies that go along with being a president. Obama will be set for life now and laugh all the way to the bank each time he receives his pension.... thinking of the stupidity of the American people!

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