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Jan 12, 2017 11:22:52   #
lamiaceae Loc: San Luis Obispo County, CA
 
rdgreenwood wrote:
Earlier this week I posted a photo and asked what people thought the story was. I wasn't feeling well, the result of an "airliner cold," but I thought some banter about a light-hearted photo might perk me up. Well, let me tell you, in short order someone posted a rather splenetic response, informing me that photos don't tell stories. Not wanting to throw cold water on the conversation, I responded that I didn't agree but the person was entitled to his opinion.

Not good enough! The writer wrote back, citing sources and broadening his argument in an attempt to completely discredit the notion that a photo could tell a story. As I said, I wasn't feeling well, so I wrote it off as the rantings of some sparrow-fart (a nod to Kurt Vonnegut for that descriptor) and tried to put it behind me.

But it nagged at me. I thought of the photo of the sailor kissing the nurse in Times Square at the end of WWII, the Vietnamese girl running naked with festering burns caused by napalm, the recent photo of the Syrian child sitting bloodied and dazed in an ambulance. (I'm betting that every one of you knows exactly what photos I've just listed.) And I asked myself, "If those images aren't telling a story, then why have they become iconic?"

Then, on Tuesday evening, I attended my camera club meeting, and half of the meeting was dedicated to a "member critique," in which a panel of three of our better photographers sat and commented on images that members had submitted for evaluation. It's a really nice event, and everyone learns from it, whether they agree or disagree with the comments. And it happened: over and over, the panel members included an assessment of the photos' story-telling quality. Over and over, I heard, "This image tells a (You insert the adjective) story." Over and over, the panel members alluded to story telling as a normal and crucial element of their evaluation.

So here's my question--I know, I know, it's about time I got to my question--Do you think photos tell stories? Obviously, I do. Obviously, at least one person doesn't. What do you think?
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I can't imagine why anyone would think they can't. I can not tell you how many times I've seen that as a Photo Class assignment. Personally I'm never too fond of it, but not because I don't think there is a story. It is the same way I feel when some one (say a teacher) asks me what my photo means (not what it is objectively). I looked up your "A Shot From Italy" image and post. After reading the replies I can see what is going on. Not a problem with you or your image, but let's not go there. I feel for you. Words have different precise meanings to different people (and I mean beyond the dictionary meaning).

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Jan 12, 2017 11:34:13   #
samantha90 Loc: Fort Worth,Texas
 
Yes sir with out a doubt I have seen a lot of photos that told a story. The ones you give as examples are proof.

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Jan 12, 2017 11:39:37   #
lamiaceae Loc: San Luis Obispo County, CA
 
Linda From Maine wrote:
Absolutely! I use the term often, and if you need more validation beyond your club experiences, just check articles in magazines like Outdoor Photographer, or websites and books of successful pro's.

But is the point really whether one (or many) people dismiss the term? I've been ridiculed for using "thinking in black & white," yet that is another much used and proven concept.

What matters is if you are happy with your own images and if they are telling the stories you want them to. Or perhaps you enjoy a variety of responses and find it interesting or educational to learn what others connect with (or don't) in your work.

Regarding definition: story is also often used to just mean what the image depicts: a dead sunflower in snow is a story very different from a vibrant bloom in summer. One image presented in both b&w and color can be a story of shapes, shadows, textures vs. a story of an ephemeral moment of light and weather or nature.
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I think in B&W all the time when is comes to photography. Comes from decades of shooting in B&W long before I tried digital. I pre-visualize photographs as B&W sometimes, never considering using it in it's original (captured) color form. Remember Rod Stewart's song "Every Picture Tells A Story (Don't It)"?

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Jan 12, 2017 11:39:44   #
dhtraveler
 
I am a new member of this forum and a beginner in photography. In response to your storyteller question it would seem important to identify the style of photography before saying if it should tell a story or not. Abstract, artistic, photography may be primarily about the art of photography rather than the story of photography. I see photos all the time used as interior design tools rather than story telling. I tend to look for the story in all my pictures because by nature I am a story teller. I have a friend who is more abstract in her view and finds satisfaction in the bold colors on a wall or post processing to create abstract from reality. Photography is an expression of art, storytelling and thought. It is your tool to express yourself and in its own way tells its story by the style that fits you. Happy photos everyone!

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Jan 12, 2017 11:53:46   #
TheStarvingArtist
 
I looked thru some if your posts and some of them have me putting a story line in there and some don't. I think that whether a photo tells a story depends on a person's imagination and if the photo plugs into their imagination. I am just wondering if you think my pictures tell a story or not?

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Jan 12, 2017 11:59:13   #
RobertW Loc: Breezy Point, New York
 
Well, I certainly think you have been vindicated and the position that a picture CAN tell a story wins the debate

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Jan 12, 2017 12:01:27   #
Darkroom317 Loc: Mishawaka, IN
 
Winogrand said that photographs do not tell stories. If I recall correctly he may have meant that it was far different than the way literature does rather than not at all. To me there are a few images that do tell an individual narrative with little need for added context.

In art school, us photography students always worked in series rather than creating standalone pieces. This allows for larger narratives to appear. I have come to think of images as sentences or words that if put together properly can be woven into a visual novel.

Having also a background in music, the idea of individual photographs as notes. In this line of thinking, I have realized that images have different visual weights. In this since if I have an exhibition some images which are visually louder can be thought of as notes, varying in tone and length and the more subtle images are like rests thus giving the viewer a quite break from the heaviness of the other images.

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Jan 12, 2017 12:14:53   #
Linda From Maine Loc: Yakima, Washington
 
Darkroom317 wrote:
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Having also a background in music, the idea of individual photographs as notes. In this line of thinking, I have realized that images have different visual weights. In this since if I have an exhibition some images which are visually louder can be thought of as notes, varying in tone and length and the more subtle images are like rests thus giving the viewer a quite break from the heaviness of the other images.


What a fascinating pov!

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Jan 12, 2017 12:18:06   #
davidrb Loc: Half way there on the 45th Parallel
 
rdgreenwood wrote:
Earlier this week I posted a photo and asked what people thought the story was. I wasn't feeling well, the result of an "airliner cold," but I thought some banter about a light-hearted photo might perk me up. Well, let me tell you, in short order someone posted a rather splenetic response, informing me that photos don't tell stories. Not wanting to throw cold water on the conversation, I responded that I didn't agree but the person was entitled to his opinion.

Not good enough! The writer wrote back, citing sources and broadening his argument in an attempt to completely discredit the notion that a photo could tell a story. As I said, I wasn't feeling well, so I wrote it off as the rantings of some sparrow-fart (a nod to Kurt Vonnegut for that descriptor) and tried to put it behind me.

But it nagged at me. I thought of the photo of the sailor kissing the nurse in Times Square at the end of WWII, the Vietnamese girl running naked with festering burns caused by napalm, the recent photo of the Syrian child sitting bloodied and dazed in an ambulance. (I'm betting that every one of you knows exactly what photos I've just listed.) And I asked myself, "If those images aren't telling a story, then why have they become iconic?"

Then, on Tuesday evening, I attended my camera club meeting, and half of the meeting was dedicated to a "member critique," in which a panel of three of our better photographers sat and commented on images that members had submitted for evaluation. It's a really nice event, and everyone learns from it, whether they agree or disagree with the comments. And it happened: over and over, the panel members included an assessment of the photos' story-telling quality. Over and over, I heard, "This image tells a (You insert the adjective) story." Over and over, the panel members alluded to story telling as a normal and crucial element of their evaluation.

So here's my question--I know, I know, it's about time I got to my question--Do you think photos tell stories? Obviously, I do. Obviously, at least one person doesn't. What do you think?
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I find someone who can't see the story of a picture to be brain-dead, pitifully brain-dead. No soul, no help.

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Jan 12, 2017 12:31:13   #
JohnSwanda Loc: San Francisco
 
I am certainly with those who say photographs CAN tell stories. But I disagree that they always tell stories, or that all good photos tell stories. Some great photos evoke a mood or an emotion without telling a story. And many photos that do tell stories can be enhanced by some text giving the context of the photo.

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Jan 12, 2017 12:32:27   #
SharpShooter Loc: NorCal
 
rdgreenwood wrote:

(You insert the adjective) story." Over and over, the panel members alluded to story telling as a normal and crucial element of their evaluation.

So here's my question--I know, I know, it's about time I got to my question--Do you think photos tell stories? Obviously, I do. Obviously, at least one person doesn't. What do you think?


Sorry buddy but you're at least half wrong.
First, let me ask, what was wrong with all the "links" that the responder provided...., did you read them? I didn't see them, that must have been in the gallery.
Next, there are a LOT of people that have no training in photography. They learn from others whether it's right or wrong, then repeat it further down the line. Yes, including judges. Some are trained, some are not. One can shoot for 50 years and not know a lot about the medium of photography.
Books are a collection of words assemble by the author "generally", specifically to tell a story. It's not visual!
Photography is a VISUAL MEDIA, therefore it is intended to evoke an "emotion, reaction or feeling or responce" from us.
This could come in the form of a long story as some are eluding to, or as a one word knee jerk emotion such as anger.
I've said here MANY times that in photography, "composition is king", but that means how the image is arranged, not necessarily what story it's telling.
Some images could read like a book but others are purely GRAPHIC, maybe no story just an assault on our senses and difficult to explain in words. That depends on the photographer and how successful they were.

A lack of photographic knowledge is the reason some come out of a museum and say "those photographs were pure trash"! It's usually because they are looking for the story and not the composition!!! They don't know anything about composition.

rd, does any of this make any sense? Perhaps our friends here with BFA's can shed better light on this story stuff, or lack of it!

SS

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Jan 12, 2017 13:02:15   #
Rongnongno Loc: FL
 
rdgreenwood wrote:
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Due to the subjectivity of an image the 'story telling' is more an 'illustration of a story'. They do not 'tell the story' per say. This, in my opinion, is where the dissent really is.

I am here (on this thread) because I posted an image in the gallery and one said 'it was telling a story'. To me, I simply did not. The ragged wings showed a surviving butterfly but did not show what happened to it. The story was in the viewer's head, not mine.

The images you refer too do not tell a story either. They are used to report something in a visual way. The story is not there. The 'kiss' has an 'importance' only because of the timing that is related to the image. If that background story, explained time and time again, was not there what is the story? Drunk sailor kissing an unprepared nurse?

I have another sample that I created a few months ago. I saw something, made a big deal out of it and published it. All the images were illustrations. None individually told a story. The text did.

This is why it is often more important to say why you did something than how, especially in the visual 'art'. Folks then can somehow relate to the image and think their are seeing a story when in fact they are really watching a result of it or more precisely their own slant on it.

A year or two ago a UHH participant showed the various slants created from a single image that went from being about to kill a prisoner point blank (gun on his head) to a group of US Marines trying desperately to save a person... And this using ONLY cropping!!!

Note that when you need a 'feedback' on an image for whatever reason giving the why or purpose is a must as it will change the viewer sight on what is being offered.

This is of course an opinion, a point of view.

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Jan 12, 2017 13:08:15   #
Matt Quinn Loc: Marriottsville, MD, Brewster, Cape Cod
 
May I reply?

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Jan 12, 2017 13:10:59   #
Rongnongno Loc: FL
 
Manuductor wrote:
May I reply?

Why the hell not? Free forum and all!!!

(do use 'Quote reply' thought, since you are new)

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Jan 12, 2017 13:22:15   #
RobertAltman Loc: Minneapolis
 
The first question I ask myself when evaluating a photo is what story is it telling? There first question I ask myself when taking a picture is what story am I telling. On more than one occasion, I've cropped the same photo differently to tell different stories.

So yes, a photo tells a story. The more interesting there story, there more compelling the photo.

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