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Jan 9, 2017 14:02:47   #
Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.
 
John_F wrote:
Okay, I see your question. I have personally done no research, but I have read in various places statements about privatising Social Security which means your part of the money will be shared with a for-profit plan. Your benefits go down to pay high salaries and bonuses to management and dividends tl stockholders. Vouchering Medicare to buy insurance has the sane effect. Now, of course, the devil is in the details and that has yet to happen. To be sure, there will be small armies of lobbyists in the bill crafting and latter regulation writing. To get an eyeball on how that works check out Steven Brill's "Ameirica's Biiter Pill" - it chronicals the before and after process of the PPACA. It makes for instructive reading.
Okay, I see your question. I have personally done ... (show quote)


You do understand that Social Security is a Ponzi scheme and that the return you would have gotten by the private investment of your contributions would far exceed what you will receive in Social Security benefits. I know that for the far left anything associated with for profit is a bad thing, no matter that the track record may be far better than any thing that the government has ever done. The so called privatization of Social Security only allows for a percentage of your contribution to be privately invested and it would be in a controlled fashion similar to most company's 401K programs.

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Jan 9, 2017 14:13:35   #
ken hubert Loc: Missouri
 
Wellhiem wrote:
So how come you want to force democracy on other countries?


Couldn't care less about other countries. Especially yours.

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Jan 9, 2017 16:07:05   #
Wellhiem Loc: Sunny England.
 
ken hubert wrote:
Couldn't care less about other countries. Especially yours.


Glad to hear it. Once the US starts caring, it never turns out well.

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Jan 9, 2017 16:20:25   #
ken hubert Loc: Missouri
 
Wellhiem wrote:
Glad to hear it. Once the US starts caring, it never turns out well.


Agreed. When I start caring about a Limey I will send you a gift. (Disregard the ticking noise)

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Jan 9, 2017 16:39:00   #
SteveR Loc: Michigan
 
greymule wrote:
Letter to the Denver Post:

The United States Senatorial v****g since 2012 has resulted in Republican Senators, who number 52 out of 100, receiving 54.8 million v**es. By contrast, Democratic Senators, the remaining 48 Senators, have received 78.4 million v**es, 23.5 million more v**es collectively than the Republican contingent, a 59-41 percent majority for Democrats, if it were a straight head-to-head e******n. The Senate, then, is ruled by only 41 percent of the American e*****rate in our Democracy. This anomaly of American democracy is a carryover compromise the Constitutional Convention had to make in order for the Southern S***e States to agree and to sign our Constitution out of concern that the lesser populated South would be outnumbered in any Congressional v**e to abolish s***ery. Similar to the E*******l College, wherein Clinton won the popular v**e by nearly 3 million v**es, this ancient compromise leaves the majority of Americans subject to Senatorial rule by a group distinctly in the minority of American citizens. The Democrats in the House of Representatives in 2012 won 1.17 million more v**es than Republicans, yet they only won 46.21 percent of the seats. In 2014, Republicans won 52 percent of v**es in House races, yet won 57 percent of the seats. In 2016, The Democrats won 48% of the total v**es for House candidates to the Republicans 49%, yet the Republicans won 55% of the seats. (Independent v**es bring the total to 100%.) The American e*****rate majority is severely under-represented in all three: the presidency, the senate and the house of representatives. America is a democracy wherein majority does NOT rule.

And Republicans have the unmitigated gall to claim a "mandate". Freaking pack of thieves, corporate and NRA pimps, and colossal liars.
Letter to the Denver Post: br br The United State... (show quote)


Got news for ya....these races don't result in "cumulative" v**es nationwide. That some districts v**e overwhelmingly for Democrats, as they do in the P**********l e******n, is inconsequential. Each district is a separate entity and each state is a separate entity. To spin numbers, as this writer did, is just that, twisting statistics with no grounds in reality. If we'd want to be ruled by the urban centers of NYC and LA, we'd re-write the Constitution. However, it's one reason the Constitution is written the way it is. The population is represented proportionately in the House. States are provided equal power in the Senate no matter what the population of the state might be. That gives North Dakota a place to voice its concerns just as much as New York. It's because our Constitution is written this way that we are THE UNITED STATES and not just America, one big block of people. Don't like it? Rewrite it.

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Jan 9, 2017 16:56:37   #
btbg
 
John_F wrote:
Okay, I see your question. I have personally done no research, but I have read in various places statements about privatising Social Security which means your part of the money will be shared with a for-profit plan. Your benefits go down to pay high salaries and bonuses to management and dividends tl stockholders. Vouchering Medicare to buy insurance has the sane effect. Now, of course, the devil is in the details and that has yet to happen. To be sure, there will be small armies of lobbyists in the bill crafting and latter regulation writing. To get an eyeball on how that works check out Steven Brill's "Ameirica's Biiter Pill" - it chronicals the before and after process of the PPACA. It makes for instructive reading.
Okay, I see your question. I have personally done ... (show quote)


Privatizing social security would probably hurt me since I'm nearing retirement age, but it would help me if I was 25.

Privatized would mean that the money that I and my employer paid in would accrue interest. I've already posted at length in a previous post and no one questioned the math. Placing six percent of a $25,000 per year salary into a mutual fund with an average annual return of 6% would end up being worth more than a million dollars by the time that you are 60. Remember the employer also puts money in 6% plus, doubling how much money you would have by the time you retired.

And most people here make significantly more than $25,000 a year. My wife and I are both nearing retirement and my social security is estimated to be about $1,500 a month. If I had the 2 million plus that I would have if both my employer and I had invested the money in my own account I could do a lot better than $1,500 a month.

Instead of screaming about privatization just do the math and see who would be better off if the money is invested versus if the money is kept used by the government and then they take the next guy's money to pay for your social security. Any person with even moderate math sk**ls can figure out that with the current rate that is taken out of your pay for social security if it were invested you would be financially better off. That's what privatization means. You get your own account and invest. How is that bad?

The problem isn't privatization. The problem is how to do the t***sition from the current government fiasco to privatization without financially crippling some people in the process.

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Jan 9, 2017 16:57:09   #
Checkmate Loc: Southern California
 
John_F wrote:
And the source of this vitriol is from the US capital of hatred - Texas.

Texas is a piker compared to the East and West Coasts, especially New York City and California especially San F*Gcisco.

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Jan 9, 2017 17:10:54   #
SteveR Loc: Michigan
 
Wellhiem wrote:
Glad to hear it. Once the US starts caring, it never turns out well.


Turned out bad for you guys, did it?

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Jan 9, 2017 17:13:20   #
SteveR Loc: Michigan
 
John_F wrote:
There are some very core reasons for e******ns reults. Until the Democrats thoroughly understand those reasons and deal with them in a way that 'ordinary guy & gal' understands they stand to benefit. Until then the Republicans stand in direct enrighment of the Aristocratic 1% will continue unabated. Right now the Republicans are working to t***sfer your Social Security and Medicare deducted monies to the 1%. Everyone loses including the liberal h**ers here.


You must be vacationing in CO with a letter from your doctor!!

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Jan 10, 2017 09:04:54   #
chrisscholbe Loc: Kansas City, MO
 
Blurryeyed wrote:
You do understand that Social Security is a Ponzi scheme and that the return you would have gotten by the private investment of your contributions would far exceed what you will receive in Social Security benefits. I know that for the far left anything associated with for profit is a bad thing, no matter that the track record may be far better than any thing that the government has ever done. The so called privatization of Social Security only allows for a percentage of your contribution to be privately invested and it would be in a controlled fashion similar to most company's 401K programs.
You do understand that Social Security is a Ponzi ... (show quote)

The problem, IMHO, is that most people would not/could not save and invest to ensure they have a "nest egg" for the future.

If you're barely making enough money to feed and house your family, it's extremely difficult to save for your retirement.

Social Security made it "t***sparent" & mandatory.

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Jan 10, 2017 09:13:31   #
idaholover Loc: Nampa ID
 
Here is a little civics lesson for ya counselor... but them most people wouldn't hire your talent to get them out of a parking ticket.
http://madisonproject.com/2013/09/we-the-people-a-constitutional-republic-not-a-democracy/

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Jan 10, 2017 10:04:48   #
BigBear Loc: Northern CT
 
idaholover wrote:
Here is a little civics lesson for ya counselor... but them most people wouldn't hire your talent to get them out of a parking ticket.
http://madisonproject.com/2013/09/we-the-people-a-constitutional-republic-not-a-democracy/


Great article !!
But all they see is 'Blahh Blahh Blahh Blahh Blahh', because they are programmed to filter out everything that doesn't give them the freebies needed to live the good life.

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Jan 10, 2017 10:35:12   #
chrisscholbe Loc: Kansas City, MO
 
BigBear wrote:
Great article !!
But all they see is 'Blahh Blahh Blahh Blahh Blahh', because they are programmed to filter out everything that doesn't give them the freebies needed to live the good life.

The same way that you don't agree with articles and comments from Liberals.

How is your programming holding up?

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Jan 10, 2017 12:59:39   #
BigBear Loc: Northern CT
 
chrisscholbe wrote:
The same way that you don't agree with articles and comments from Liberals.

How is your programming holding up?


I read what others put up. And when it doesn't hold up Constitutionally, I trash it.

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Jan 10, 2017 18:04:39   #
SteveR Loc: Michigan
 
Back to the title of this little whirlpool: "Democracy- A Rule by Majority V**e: Ooops! Not in America." We should have been tipped off from the start. The U.S. is NOT Athens. It's a Democratic Republic which, apparently, the O.P. does not realize. Everybody screaming about the fantasy of the popular v**e doesn't realize the same thing.

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